Current state of play

[TheComedian1983]

I can't help myself

V 3. 9. 2019 v 18:35 TheComedian1983 řekl/a:

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[Excavatus]

19 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

If everyone were right, the playerbase would not have enough skill to find the battle button...

what makes you think they can find it with first try at every battle?

 

[mtm78]

[TheComedian1983]

Před 11 minutami Excavatus řekl/a:

what makes you think they can find it with first try at every battle?

 

[Dragnorak]

1 hour ago, Quetak said:

Its much better to play and think what to do like all team mates are good players. Do whatever you can to support them -> win. If they fail becasue they are potatoes or just misplayed it doesnt matter in the end. After that you need to change your plan accordingly and it will teach you how to read battle properly. Knowing that DD at your flank is 100PR guy will not help you, it just change your behaviour in wrong direction. 

 

Yes I fully agree with this but I didn't know this until I had the experience myself and seeing how it changes your attitude even before you have set sail!. 

I now don't look at MM monitor at all..

[Ruth_clifton]

the quality of  random  is  dad

[mtm78]

4 minutes ago, Ruth_clifton said:

the quality of  random  is  dad

 

Is there a dad joke even in matchmaking?

[Redcap375]

Muppets are roaming the sea's chaps, have done for a while now:

 

 

Muppets that get to tier 10 with 300 battles.  Muppets that buy tier 9 ships after 15 games.  Muppets that sail straight into a cap without even turning. Muppets that snip with the Kurf. 

 

They are everywhere.  However, they have every right to play as much as we do.

 

It's WG fault that these sorry sailors have no clue about what they are doing, how a map works and how easy they can screw up high tier games with ££££ ships. WG has given sharp scissors to 1 year old's. 

 

Oh and what is a supertester with 41% WR doing in a Thunderer? Are they trying to make the whole game Muppet proof. 

 

This is going to be your average Sub captain when those come out:

 

 

Cant wait until muppets get their hands on those death traps.

[Floofz]

Rigged moneyscam is what this is. Every time you buy something you get dropped into a crap matchmaker that wont let you win a single game for weeks.

[mtm78]

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Are they trying to make the whole game Muppet proof. 

 

Who do you think pays the most money to WG, muppets or good players?

 

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

They are everywhere.  However, they have every right to play as much as we do.

*I rather wish there was a limit for PvP, so to not create to much frustration with actual players. Yes, I do not think of a 24% wr Jean Bart with 20 games total as a player, I think of them as... a nuisance, both on my as on the enemy team. These people would be better off imho playing coop, and so will al the other players in matches they get in. 

 

It's one thing to buy a low tier premium and jump into the game, but tier 9 and 10? With ZERO experience in the game? That's asking for toxicity towards them Wargaming and you should stop putting the blame just on the players. 

 

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

It's WG fault that these sorry sailors have no clue about what they are doing, how a map works and how easy they can screw up high tier games with ££££ ships. WG has given sharp scissors to 1 year old's. 

Yes. But according to Wargaming, we should blame our self for not offering advice in chat to those players. We can help them understand you see, it's not their job to teach.. ow wait 

 

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Oh and what is a supertester with 41% WR doing in a Thunderer?

Maybe Thunderer is a bad ship? I don't think there are ST which are that bad at the game ( overall account wr ). It wouldn't make any sense getting feedback from players who can't even understand current game mechanics, their influence, and what changing them have for consequences, both desired and undesired. 

 

1 minute ago, Floofz said:

Rigged moneyscam is what this is. Every time you buy something you get dropped into a crap matchmaker that wont let you win a single game for weeks.

Wait, so buying stuff from WG makes you win less? Seems like bad business practice!

[Redcap375]

13 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Who do you think pays the most money to WG, muppets or good players?

 

It was kind of a rhetorical question. Muppets always flood the bills.

 

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I rather wish there was a limit for PvP, so to not create to much frustration with actual players. Yes, I do not think of a 24% wr Jean Bart with 20 games total as a player, I think of them as... a nuisance, both on my as on the enemy team. These people would be better off imho playing coop, and so will al the other players in matches they get in. 

 

Yeah wouldn't that be good (dreaming)...Oh yeah right, they cant/won't because of ££££££££. 

 

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It's one thing to buy a low tier premium and jump into the game, but tier 9 and 10? With ZERO experience in the game? That's asking for toxicity towards them Wargaming and you should stop putting the blame just on the players. 

 

How dare you apply common sense!

 

yup, but wont happen because of:

 

 

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I don't think there are ST which are that bad at the game ( overall account wr ). It wouldn't make any sense getting feedback from players who can't even understand current game mechanics, their influence, and what changing them have for consequences, both desired and undesired. 

 

Seen it with my own eyes and scene shot taken (will post it when i get back).

 

How on gods green earth is that being tested correctly??? No wonder why we have ships coming out like they do, well that and ££££££.

 

The players we have now are by far, since i have been playing this game, the worse they have ever been. WG 90% made sure of that. 

 

 

[Floofz]

Its not bad business practice its psycology. If you let someone who doesnt spend money on the game win hes more likely to have fun and spend money on the game. Meanwhile me who has been a loyal customer for years and spend a LOT of money on the game gets shafted in the [edited]on a regular basis. There is no [edited]way it can be this impossibly difficult to win a game.

This crap is what it takes for me to win, its the only way, I am ALWAYS on the worse team and there is NO WAY its random, simply no way. And no I didnt have an ounce of fun in that game, I was so extremely [edited]pissed off during the entire game.

 

[mtm78]

Don't need a screenshot, you can't show names on it anyway so it's not real use.

 

If there is btw, there can be only one valid reason -> it's important to WG to know how bad players are perceiving the game. I mean, there can't be value in that feedback other then that. Perception of the mainstay of their paying playerbase is actually quite important, so maybe we should wonder why there aren't more of them in ST right now

 

2 minutes ago, Floofz said:

And no I didnt have an ounce of fun in that game, I was so extremely [edited]pissed off during the entire game.

 

Well that's a problem. If you really can't have fun while having what some would say 'outstanding performance' game, why are you still playing?

 

I had ONE of those Sinop games,  186k dmg iirc with plenty of medals, and while it was nailbiting and I was actually sure we wouldn't be winning the game, we still did. For me it was fun, even if I felt really pissed off at some of the actions of my allies. That is what keeps me playing, those fun games. 

 

Stop worrying so much about overal profile, try to focus on each single battle as a battle on it's own, with no other strings attached. Trust me, I play 50% better myself when I am just focusing on the game I'm playing ( as opposed to being mad in general for rocket attacks from Enterprise being broken AF, or about submarines coming to the game for testing ). 

[Floofz]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Don't need a screenshot, you can't show names on it anyway so it's not real use.

 

If there is btw, there can be only one valid reason -> it's important to WG to know how bad players are perceiving the game. I mean, there can't be value in that feedback other then that. Perception of the mainstay of their paying playerbase is actually quite important, so maybe we should wonder why there aren't more of them in ST right now

 

I am hardly a bad player. I had an 87% winrate in the last ranked sprint, overall Ive had a 65% winrate in all ranked seasons and that included when I played bad ships because I had nothing else. I have a 1650 or whatever personal rating. I am a way better than average player. But this isnt random, my winrate keeps dropping and I can hardly manage to stay above 40% from day to day. I have ocassional days when I can get around 60% winrate or so but thats usually only for a day and then Im back to the regular defeats.

All my stats are going up, my average damage, average xp, personal rating (despite losing) yet my winrate just keeps dropping and dropping. It takes 4-5 games on average to get a daily win on each ship, even OP ships like Sinop. And this isnt for a day, everyone knows how infamous I am on this forum for constantly complaining at the same thing in every thread, this has been going on pretty much non stop for months and months, it simply doesnt stop.

[Redcap375]

2 minutes ago, Floofz said:

Zip...

 

WG is from the same country that cheated on the Eurovision song contest.  The bloody euro vision, isn't anything sacred.

 

So personally, i wouldn't put ANYTHING past them.

 

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

Don't need a screenshot, you can't show names on it anyway so it's not real use.

 

Your saying it like i would actually care? A few seconds would be enough then confirmed by another. 

 

but anyway, yeah happened.  Even uploaded it onto the clans discord for a good laugh.

 

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

If there is btw, there can be only one valid reason -> it's important to WG to know how bad players are perceiving the game. I mean, there can't be value in that feedback other then that. Perception of the mainstay of their paying playerbase is actually quite important, so maybe we should wonder why there aren't more of them in ST right now

 

Great, so we have 200 of these 40% something WR all saying it needs  an accuracy boost...When really they cant aim for toffee in the first place!

 

You don't get a blind person to test drive a new Porsche do you? 

[Floofz]

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

WG is from the same country that cheated on the Eurovision song contest.  The bloody euro vision, isn't anything sacred.

 

So personally, i wouldn't put ANYTHING past them.

 

 

Your saying it like i would actually care? A few seconds would be enough then confirmed by another. 

 

but anyway, yeah happened.  Even uploaded it onto the clans discord for a good laugh.

 

 

Great, so we have 200 of these 40% something WR all saying it needs  an accuracy boost...When really they cant aim for toffee in the first place!

 

You don't get a blind person to test drive a new Porsche do you? 

 

Oh Ive known WG drives a psycological moneyscam ever since world of tanks but I havent understood why and what the motives were but I think I get it now.

Its unfortunate thou, very unfortunate, as I do love the game. I think its an amazing game and I love it to bits. But the matchmaking is too frustrating and it isnt good for me, not for my health.  And I think its so unecessary. I dont understand why they think theyll retain customers when they just make people furious. I know lots of people who simply quit the game because they were convinced the MM was rigged and just stopped playing. Unfortunately Im too stubborn and too inlove with the actual gameplay to just quit. Hell Ive tried but I always come back.

[TohtoriP]

2 hours ago, Quetak said:

Its much better to play and think what to do like all team mates are good players. Do whatever you can to support them -> win. If they fail becasue they are potatoes or just misplayed it doesnt matter in the end. After that you need to change your plan accordingly and it will teach you how to read battle properly. Knowing that DD at your flank is 100PR guy will not help you, it just change your behaviour in wrong direction. 

Yes perhaps MM monitoring will steer a lot of "normal" players to playing the wrong way or giving up / suiciding altogether if odds are not in their way thus making the state of gameplay even worse as a whole. I think these kind of  monitoring softwares are detrimental to gameplay and towards some players who get focused just because they can play the game while 40% might get ignored at first. That is just wrong both for the general gameplay and for the player himself.

[Redcap375]

21 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

Oh Ive known WG drives a psycological moneyscam ever since world of tanks but I havent understood why and what the motives were but I think I get it now.

Its unfortunate thou, very unfortunate, as I do love the game. I think its an amazing game and I love it to bits. But the matchmaking is too frustrating and it isnt good for me, not for my health.  And I think its so unecessary. I dont understand why they think theyll retain customers when they just make people furious. I know lots of people who simply quit the game because they were convinced the MM was rigged and just stopped playing. Unfortunately Im too stubborn and too inlove with the actual gameplay to just quit. Hell Ive tried but I always come back.

 

So your asking me if it's rigged?

 

Honest answer?.....Maybe, probably.

 

There are things that us players will never get to see.  Folders and code that we will never get to open. Stats that they see and we don't. 

 

I work in a business where you never take things at face value when money is concerned. There is always a reason and 90% of the time, it has a pound sign on it.  That and the strong ,however misguided, national pride that Russians have (I have worked in and around Russia in the past). I bet there isn't many of you who have seen some of the slums and corruption in that country?  Well i have for real like a number of other places.

 

Anyway....

 

Remember, WARTHUNDER (another Russian company) who put armour within armour on the IS line and got found out. (IS-6 mantlet). Bug? Yeah right bug...

 

But if you want my advice? Don't ever get high rate about it. Enjoy it for free and keep calm and carry on.

 

It's only a game made of pixels mate.  

 

 

[Hanse77SWE]

I don't care anymore.

 

When subs come into the main game, I'm out.

 

Do what ever you want.

[Floofz]

6 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

So your asking me if it's rigged?

 

Honest answer?.....Maybe, probably.

 

There are things that us players will never get to see.  Folders and code that we will never get to open. Stats that they see and we don't. 

 

I work in a business where you never take things at face value when money is concerned. There is always a reason and 90% of the time, it has a pound sign on it.  That and the strong ,however misguided, national pride that Russians have (I have worked in and around Russia in the past). I bet there isn't many of you who have seen some of the slums and corruption in that country?  Well i have for real like a number of other places.

 

Anyway....

 

Remember, WARTHUNDER (another Russian company) who put armour within armour on the IS line and got found out. (IS-6 mantlet). Bug? Yeah right bug...

 

But if you want my advice? Don't ever get high rate about it. Enjoy it for free and keep calm and carry on.

 

It's only a game made of pixels mate.  

 

 

 

I wouldnt care if people werent so fixated on WR as a stat. I mean since I always score top on my team when Im losing I still earn good xp and credits. So in that regard it shouldnt matter. But I had a 58% winrate for my first 2000 games and I was really proud of it. People revered me in my clan. Now I think Ill go below 50% winrate if given enough time and games, unless something changes. And Im still learning and improving in the game, I still do better, get more kills, get better xp, get more damage. But I lose more and more and more. It just isnt fair. And Im sure Im not the only one to feel like this, its just that most people who does have quit a long time ago, so the only people we have left are streamers and unicums who only play OP ships in divisions or people who simply dont care, and theyre usually below 50% WR.

The thing is, we dont see those people, we only see the loud and vocal ones like me. The people who get equally fed up with it quits and we never see them again, and I have a suspicion there is a lot of them. Might be a big part of why the playerbase is so horrific atm.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

what makes you think they can find it with first try at every battle?

While I do not have a high opinion of the average player, I know that this is BS.

 

The problem on this forum is that people like to play the blame game and lack the ability or patience to reflect on the situation or themselves.

 

What many people experience is pretty obvious.

 

When you start playing the game, you are pretty clueless. Most players are better than you, but you lack the experience to recognize them and differentiate them from the players of equal or worse skill.

When you continue playing, you might get better at the game, but you gain experience in any case. Without the skill level of other players changing, you start to recognize the complete failures, but they are rare and do not bother you too much.

You also start spotting moves that you would not do yourself, but you are not sure if that is bad play or just a gamble that did not pay off.

As you continue playing, you gain even more experience and might even improve more. Even with the playerbase not changing, you will now easily spot bad plays. Even if you are not skillful yourself and do not know how to play better, you can easily recognize any play that is not beneficial to yourself, which a bad player then calls bad play.

 

In other words, the playerbase does not necessarily get worse, but it gets worse realtive to yourself or at least your peception.

[Floofz]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

While I do not have a high opinion of the average player, I know that this is BS.

 

The problem on this forum is that people like to play the blame game and lack the ability or patience to reflect on the situation or themselves.

 

What many people experience is pretty obvious.

 

When you start playing the game, you are pretty clueless. Most players are better than you, but you lack the experience to recognize them and differentiate them from the players of equal or worse skill.

When you continue playing, you might get better at the game, but you gain experience in any case. Without the skill level of other players changing, you start to recognize the complete failures, but they are rare and do not bother you too much.

You also start spotting moves that you would not do yourself, but you are not sure if that is bad play or just a gamble that did not pay off.

As you continue playing, you gain even more experience and might even improve more. Even with the playerbase not changing, you will now easily spot bad plays. Even if you are not skillful yourself and do not know how to play better, you can easily recognize any play that is not beneficial to yourself, which a bad player then calls bad play.

 

In other words, the playerbase does not necessarily get worse, but it gets worse realtive to yourself or at least your peception.

 

There might be some truth to this, however there is a gigantic skillgap in the playerbase where the average player is more or less completely missing from the game. You either have skilled players who knows the basic of the game and can angle properly, dodge torpedoes and expect what the enemy will do next. Then you have even steven who will just y0l0 into a cap and die within the first 3 minutes of the game. There doesnt seem to be anything inbetween that. Infact some of these players are so horrificly bad that you wonder if they are even actual players and not bots.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

There might be some truth to this, however there is a gigantic skillgap in the playerbase where the average player is more or less completely missing from the game. You either have skilled players who knows the basic of the game and can angle properly, dodge torpedoes and expect what the enemy will do next. Then you have even steven who will just y0l0 into a cap and die within the first 3 minutes of the game. There doesnt seem to be anything inbetween that. Infact some of these players are so horrificly bad that you wonder if they are even actual players and not bots.

The majority of players are average players.

 

Example: Asia Server (look at the percentiles):

 

EU Server:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/tableofaccounts.html

[TheComedian1983]

Před 1 hodinou Redcap375 řekl/a:

Oh and what is a supertester with 41% WR doing in a Thunderer? Are they trying to make the whole game Muppet proof.

Maybe you met a Privateer like me. And we have test ships too. I don't know how it is with ST, but Privateers have no conditions regarding skill.

[mtm78]

40 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

In other words, the playerbase does not necessarily get worse, but it gets worse realtive to yourself or at least your peception.

 

That sounds way to scientific, can't we go back to just calling everyone besides ourselves baddies? 

 

Ok ok we can't. But, in my opinion playing has gotten worse. That's not 100% tied to worse players in playerbase, but more in less teamwork dynamics in teams now compared with says two years back.

 

Many more 'average' players have detrimental effect on chances to win because they don't give a crap about it, they just care about their 'personal performance'. Which is taking away the main attraction of the game FOR ME at least. Which is that this game offered tactical ways of winning other than doing the most damage. As long as you did the damage to the right targets at the right time, you could win a game by sinking a single ship doing something important for enemy team ( like being in a good scouting position where it nullified your cruisers waifu's protecting them from angry enemy BB players ).

 

When I press battle I somehow still expected to find most people in my team actually interested in getting a victory. But they are not :(

 

edit: btw those tables need 100 battles minimum, so all those 20 games played Jean Bart owners I keep meeting aren't part of the statistics, and with their 24% and 32% wr I think the fact that they haven't played 100 battles isn't really relevant.