Another OP Russian Paper Ship

[ColonelPete]

29 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Answer me this Pete when WG balanced the IJN silver line of DDs why did they not balance the Sisters? Maybe because the IJN line didn't need balancing in the first place or were they op?.

Because WG did not want to touch ships people paid money for back then.

 

30 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Are you telling me that all Alpha and Beta testers are amazing players?.

 

Does being an Alpha or Beta player guarantee you good stats?.

When you look at active Alpha and Beta players and compare them with active players who joined in the last six months.

You will see:

• There are relative more better players in the Alpha/Beta group than in the recent six months group
• The veterans have on average access to more ressources
• The veterans will have on average higher point captains than the six months group

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[MacFergus]

33 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Because WG did not want to touch ships people paid money for back then.

 

When you look at active Alpha and Beta players and compare them with active players who joined in the last six months.

You will see:

• There are relative more better players in the Alpha/Beta group than in the recent six months group
• The veterans have on average access to more ressources
• The veterans will have on average higher point captains than the six months group

WG does not balance gold ships even now never mind then.

 

So in a nutshell its just tough luck for newer players joining to play WoWs expecting a balanced game.

 

Just more Potatoes for you to farm I suppose.

 

Does not help the health of the game though.

 

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

WG does not balance gold ships even now never mind then.

They wanted.

Community lit the torches, heated the tar and readied the pitchforks.

[ForlornSailor]

6 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

So in a nutshell its just tough luck for newer players joining to play WoWs expecting a balanced game.

 

Just more Potatoes for you to farm I suppose.

 

Does not help the health of the game though.

 

Did you know, there is a clan out there, dedicated to play T1 in division? Did you know, they top all stats when it comes to WR - in tier 1 ships? So there are no premium ships, there are not even premium consumables so what makes the difference here? You need to get away from the thought, that people get clubbed because of a ship. People get clubbed because the guy on the other side has more skill. In most cases, the ship doesnt matter.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Did you know, there is a clan out there, dedicated to play T1 in division? Did you know, they top all stats when it comes to WR - in tier 1 ships? So there are no premium ships, there are not even premium consumables so what makes the difference here? You need to get away from the thought, that people get clubbed because of a ship. People get clubbed because the guy on the other side has more skill. In most cases, the ship doesnt matter.

 

That's actually quite scary.

[MacFergus]

14 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Did you know, there is a clan out there, dedicated to play T1 in division? Did you know, they top all stats when it comes to WR - in tier 1 ships? So there are no premium ships, there are not even premium consumables so what makes the difference here? You need to get away from the thought, that people get clubbed because of a ship. People get clubbed because the guy on the other side has more skill. In most cases, the ship doesnt matter.

Wat? The ship doesn't matter not according to WG who removed ships simply because they were to powerful , Well they didn't remove them just put them in Loot-boxes.

 

So you need skill to club new players when your in a Division of decent players at tier 1 well I never.

 

If your theory is right then a Nicholas in a veterans hand should be able to get a 58% WR just like a Kami ohh wait people don't club in a Nicholas wonder why.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

24 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Wat? The ship doesn't matter not according to WG who removed ships simply because they were to powerful , Well they didn't remove them just put them in Loot-boxes.

 

So you need skill to club new players when your in a Division of decent players at tier 1 well I never.

 

If your theory is right then a Nicholas in a veterans hand should be able to get a 58% WR just like a Kami ohh wait people don't club in a Nicholas wonder why.

 

 

1222 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/536400666,Rosletyne/

 

1049 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/509303106,SwayDizzle666/

 

678 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/536123669,7Seas/

 

and there are more....

[MacFergus]

43 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

1222 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/536400666,Rosletyne/

 

1049 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/509303106,SwayDizzle666/

 

678 battles

https://wows-numbers.com/player/536123669,7Seas/

 

and there are more....

 

Cherry picking stats does not help.

 

Nicholas has one of lowest frag rates and lowest damage totals its WR is 49% and it has a frag rate of 0.64

 

Kamikaze has a WR of 58% and a Frag rate of 1.21 and double the damage of 37000 compared to 18000 of the Nicholas going by the spreadsheet the Kamikaze is by far the better ship whoever plays it.

 

Next your be telling my the Imperator Nicolai is a perfectly balanced ship.

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

You were the one saying...

4 hours ago, MacFergus said:

If your theory is right then a Nicholas in a veterans hand should be able to get a 58% WR just like a Kami ohh wait people don't club in a Nicholas wonder why.

... not me.

And they are.

 

3 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Nicholas has one of lowest frag rates and lowest damage totals its WR is 49% and it has a frag rate of 0.64

These are not veteran stats.

You doing the mistake of throwing everyone together and taking an average...

[ForlornSailor]

7 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Wat? The ship doesn't matter not according to WG who removed ships simply because they were to powerful , Well they didn't remove them just put them in Loot-boxes.

 

This are basic marketing moves. You even mention it yourself - loot boxes. First: create hype. Second: restrict access (limit supply) Third: profit.

 

7 hours ago, MacFergus said:

If your theory is right then a Nicholas in a veterans hand should be able to get a 58% WR just like a Kami ohh wait people don't club in a Nicholas wonder why.

 

Sure, a veteran gets 58% WR with any ship. Easily. Couple of guys prove this over and over. Not long ago, we had a guy on the forums, playing all DDs after the CV rework. He did outstanding in every one of them.

 

And why people pick some ships to club, I have explained earlier - they are hyped. You think, the difference between ships are that high, that its make or break? You really think, that this game is so out of balance, that all ship fall into 2 categories? A) totaly broken OP and B) absolutly unplayable?

 

And let me ask you this question: is Kongou a OP-broken-sealclubber in your book? How come I picked her, when I have GC in my port? How come, I did even better then playing GC? My stats are open, feel free to check. Those are facts and Id like to hear, how that fits into your narrative.

 

6 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Kamikaze has a WR of 58% and a Frag rate of 1.21 and double the damage of 37000 compared to 18000 of the Nicholas going by the spreadsheet the Kamikaze is by far the better ship whoever plays it.

 

Sure, Kamikaze is the better ship. But If I´d have to 1x1 in those ships, Id pick Nicholas. And second: the part "whoever plays it" is just wrong. There are enough ppl that suck in Kamikaze. There are infact people who suck in GC or any other OP ship that comes to your mind.

[Bear__Necessities]

Read its build ect. There is nothing OP about it, but whatev's....

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, MacFergus said:

 

Cherry picking stats does not help.

 

Nicholas has one of lowest frag rates and lowest damage totals its WR is 49% and it has a frag rate of 0.64

 

Kamikaze has a WR of 58% and a Frag rate of 1.21 and double the damage of 37000 compared to 18000 of the Nicholas going by the spreadsheet the Kamikaze is by far the better ship whoever plays it.

 

Next your be telling my the Imperator Nicolai is a perfectly balanced ship.

 

 

 

 

Your Nikoli? Eats my Hosho AP bombs with ease, is as slow as a 1 legged granny and can be torped to death by any DD player with a brain. 

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Read its build ect. There is nothing OP about it, but whatev's....

Yeah seems like a monarch maybe even worse than her, armour is not as strong as her other russian bb counterparts.

 

at tier 6 she might be strong but that depends if they change anything.

[Excavatus]

Poltava....

 

OP????

 

Have you seen the stats of that super test model???

That is by far the worst ship in tier 8, and If you ask me... cannot go into top 3 at tier 7 BBs...

 

[KillStealBoss]

Wut? Poltava OP?! You saw it's stats? If they won't buff it - then it will be the worst T8 premium. Maybe for free exp cause no one would pay for it. 

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Wut? Poltava OP?! You saw it's stats? If they won't buff it - then it will be the worst T8 premium. Maybe for free exp cause no one would pay for it. 

It depends on the fuzes on the shells.

With short fuzes, she will be dangerous to BB upper belts and cruisers.

The shell velocity hints at railgun like arcs.

[Redcap375]

11km concealment. Hummm....Dangerous. 

 

I'm will ColonelPete with this one, all depends on the fuzes on the shells. Think the Hood (before the nerf).

 

Fast shells too.

 

It looks like a cruiser killer.

[MadBadDave]

I think it would take a member of the WG team, to say otherwise, but I think most of us would agree that Russian Ships are OP, whilst others that actually did anything, like the german's get ships that could'nt hit a barn door.     Russian Ships are very accurate and some start fires  in smoke "too" easily, while brit cruisers are denied that and then there's the armour.

 

Despite Russia's losses in World War 2, there Naval forces did zero, and it's a puny little island nation, that it now "taunts", that stopped the Nazi's from defeating them.

 

There is a very, very good warship documentary on at the moment, last week it featured World War 2, Iowa, Bismarck etc, this week's was the jutland era and the Dreadnought and Iron Duke etc, in the programme they mentioned the progress and technological advances, next week it's carriers.

 

The Battle of Tsushima, Russia's last naval battle against Japan was mentioned, in the battle Russia got his rear end kicked, big time , and if you google Famous Russian Naval Battles you'd have to go back to 1853 to find any.

 

My Point; WG is Belorussian, so why are Russian Ships OP, given the above.

[ColonelPete]

@MadBadDave

Great job going offtopic in your own thread. But thank you for making it obvious that this thread is not about some issues with the upcoming Poltava, but about your russian bias.

 

45 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

I think it would take a member of the WG team, to say otherwise, but I think most of us would agree that Russian Ships are OP, whilst others that actually did anything, like the german's get ships that could'nt hit a barn door.   

Considering the size of the RU server, I doubt that. And even if that were true, considering that the WoWs playerbase tends to call everything "OP" that sinks you at least once, that does not mean much.

 

47 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Despite Russia's losses in World War 2, there Naval forces did zero, and it's a puny little island nation, that it now "taunts", that stopped the Nazi's from defeating them.

 

There is a very, very good warship documentary on at the moment, last week it featured World War 2, Iowa, Bismarck etc, this week's was the jutland era and the Dreadnought and Iron Duke etc, in the programme they mentioned the progress and technological advances, next week it's carriers.

 

The Battle of Tsushima, Russia's last naval battle against Japan was mentioned, in the battle Russia got his rear end kicked, big time , and if you google Famous Russian Naval Battles you'd have to go back to 1853 to find any.

Which has absolutly nothing to with the game...

48 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

My Point; WG is Belorussian, so why are Russian Ships OP, given the above.

Because you are biased.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

[MadBadDave]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

@MadBadDave

Great job going offtopic in your own thread. But thank you for making it obvious that this thread is not about some issues with the upcoming Poltava, but about your russian bias.

 

Considering the size of the RU server, I doubt that. And even if that were true, considering that the WoWs playerbase tends to call everything "OP" that sinks you at least once, that does not mean much.

 

Which has absolutly nothing to with the game...

Because you are biased.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

Show BB chart's then ;-)

 

[MadBadDave]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Which has absolutly nothing to with the game...

Seen Wg's latest dev blog; Historical intent ?,    yes it's a game, but most of us play because of the historic element, hands up who gets peeved at another papership appearing ?.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Show BB chart's then ;-)

Since when are RU CA not "Russian Ships"?

 

But if you want...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

2 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

... like the german's get ships that could'nt hit a barn door.    

Btw. take a look at the above hitratings.

[MadBadDave]

Ok you win so the Kremlin, Smolensk, and kaba are all real ships like the entire Russian range, and they are not op in the slightest despite coming from a nation with a glorious and vast naval tradition 😏.

 

Btw - the Russian BB range is new lets recheck in 6 months ;-).

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Ok you win so the Kremlin, Smolensk, and kaba are all real ships like the entire Russian range, and they are not op in the slightest despite coming from a nation with a glorious and vast naval tradition 😏.

 

Btw - the Russian BB range is new lets recheck in 6 months ;-).

Nobody claimed they are real and without paper ships the tech trees in the game would have huge holes, even the german ones.

 

And no, Khaba is not "OP". If you were better informed you would know that a lot of people on this forum even ask for her improvement.

Kremlin is too strong, but not "OP" as already said by me in another thread.

Smolensk has an for many players annoying playstyle, but that does not make a ship "OP". I even doubt that she is too strong, but it is probably too early for that.

 

And yes, the stats of new lines/ships go down after some time, as you know.

That is why it is a good idea to take another look later.

 

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