Another OP Russian Paper Ship

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Not like WG give a monkeys about Balance.

They why do they bother changing silver ships?

Why did they improve Le Terrible without making her too strong? Why are not ALL premium ships improved until they are MUCH stronger than silver ships?

[MacFergus]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

They why do they bother changing silver ships?

Why did they improve Le Terrible without making her too strong? Why are not ALL premium ships improved until they are MUCH stronger than silver ships?

Your flogging a dead horse Pete.

 

Oh the game was balanced to a certain extent like 2-3 years ago but as WG introduced more and more gimmicks and the player base got fewer and fewer they now need to introduce powerful high tier ships to make money after all when the subs dry up you need to change tactics.

 

Cmon you have been playing the game long enough to know how it works , the vast majority of gold ships are better than their silver ship counterparts I mean what's the point in paying £50 for a piece of crap , How their played is another matter op ships are not op in the hands of a poor player.

 

The fact that the Kamikaze still exists after WG nefted the crap out of the IJN DD line and their policy of not balancing PREMIUM ships goes to prove really they don't care about balance.

[Lebedjev]

7 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Their policy of not balancing PREMIUM ships goes to prove really they don't care about balance.

 

They try. #GC

But community said no...

 

However that policy of not balancing premium ship really exist ?

Like i didn't find the line saying that in the agrement contract.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Your flogging a dead horse Pete.

 

Oh the game was balanced to a certain extent like 2-3 years ago but as WG introduced more and more gimmicks and the player base got fewer and fewer they now need to introduce powerful high tier ships to make money after all when the subs dry up you need to change tactics.

 

Cmon you have been playing the game long enough to know how it works , the vast majority of gold ships are better than their silver ship counterparts I mean what's the point in paying £50 for a piece of crap , How their played is another matter op ships are not op in the hands of a poor player.

 

The fact that the Kamikaze still exists after WG nefted the crap out of the IJN DD line and their policy of not balancing PREMIUM ships goes to prove really they don't care about balance.

That still does not explain why they change silver ships, if they are not interested in balance.

 

And the Kamikaze was never too strong. She was a slightly worse copy of the Minekaze and that is how Minekaze performed back then:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20161105/na_2month/average_ship.html

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20161105/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

That is too strong for you?

[Hopeless_Guppy]

7 hours ago, VeryHonarbrah said:

Surprisingly it seems rather eh / weak stat wise

One to avoid then, let me guess the standard 33 second reload, sub 20k range, no spotter and no awesome secondaries ,why bother with this i fact i will stick wit my beloved Lenin and Vlad

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

One to avoid then, let me guess the standard 33 second reload, sub 20k range, no spotter and no awesome secondaries ,why bother with this i fact i will stick wit my beloved Lenin and Vlad

Not quite

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/122371-st-poltava-puerto-rico/

[CptBarney]

It seems pretty bad too be honest, i actually don't see the point of the ship in general.

 

Oh well at least its not broken or OP. Bloody nose on it doe.

 

Unless this thing has fast rate of fire and above avg mobility, it might be a krispy kreme at tier 8.

[MacFergus]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

That still does not explain why they change silver ships, if they are not interested in balance.

 

And the Kamikaze was never too strong. She was a slightly worse copy of the Minekaze and that is how Minekaze performed back then:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20161105/na_2month/average_ship.html

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20161105/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

That is too strong for you?

How bout this instead.

 

Warship	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles	Win rate	Avg. frags	Avg. damage	Avg. experience	Avg. planes destroyed	Kills / deaths
Yūdachi Yudachi	7	Destroyer	Japan	31	61.21 %	0.97	49 113	1 799	0.1	2.45
Somers Somers	10	Destroyer	U.S.A.	6 957	59.13 %	1.03	67 393	1 916	0.18	2.51
Kamikaze Kamikaze	5	Destroyer	Japan	370 509	58.34 %	1.21	37 009	1 301	0	2.32
Vampire Vampire	3	Destroyer	Commonwealth	293 693	56.75 %	1.1	23 944	805	0.13	1.91
Fūjin Fujin	5	Destroyer	Japan	499 385	56.63 %	1.11	33 403	1 180	0	1.96
Kamikaze R Kamikaze R	5	Destroyer	Japan	3 074 471	56.63 %	1.14	34 387	1 158	0	1.98
Neustrashimy Neustrashimy	9	Destroyer	U.S.S.R.	8 010	56.21 %	0.95	51 680	1 906	3.94	2.06
Black Black	9	Destroyer	U.S.A.	167 008	55.76 %	0.85	45 212	1 788	1.17	1.62
Shinonome Shinonome	6	Destroyer	Japan	803 074	54.96 %	0.89	30 859	1 233	0.01	1.44
T-61 T-61	6	Destroyer	Germany	318 110	54.86 %	0.89	29 816	1 335	0.4	1.51

[MacFergus]

Btw that's the top 10 DDs of all-time are they not all premium? or Reward ships?.

[ColonelPete]

You did not answer my question...

 

The way premium status influences ships should be obvious. A hint:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

These ARP ships must have shells filled with the wrath of the Emperor!

[Panocek]

15 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You did not answer my question...

 

The way premium status influences ships should be obvious. A hint:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

These ARP ships must have shells filled with the wrath of the Emperor! power of weeb 

fixed

 

24 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

How bout this instead.

 

Warship	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles	Win rate	Avg. frags	Avg. damage	Avg. experience	Avg. planes destroyed	Kills / deaths
Yūdachi Yudachi	7	Destroyer	Japan	31	61.21 %	0.97	49 113	1 799	0.1	2.45
Somers Somers	10	Destroyer	U.S.A.	6 957	59.13 %	1.03	67 393	1 916	0.18	2.51
Kamikaze Kamikaze	5	Destroyer	Japan	370 509	58.34 %	1.21	37 009	1 301	0	2.32
Vampire Vampire	3	Destroyer	Commonwealth	293 693	56.75 %	1.1	23 944	805	0.13	1.91
Fūjin Fujin	5	Destroyer	Japan	499 385	56.63 %	1.11	33 403	1 180	0	1.96
Kamikaze R Kamikaze R	5	Destroyer	Japan	3 074 471	56.63 %	1.14	34 387	1 158	0	1.98
Neustrashimy Neustrashimy	9	Destroyer	U.S.S.R.	8 010	56.21 %	0.95	51 680	1 906	3.94	2.06
Black Black	9	Destroyer	U.S.A.	167 008	55.76 %	0.85	45 212	1 788	1.17	1.62
Shinonome Shinonome	6	Destroyer	Japan	803 074	54.96 %	0.89	30 859	1 233	0.01	1.44
T-61 T-61	6	Destroyer	Germany	318 110	54.86 %	0.89	29 816	1 335	0.4	1.51

Are you aware stats on unavailable ships tend to grow, as even biggest potato with them will, eventually, learn something? Back in the day Kamikaze and Minekaze were almost identical, one traded bit of speed for bit of turret traverse. WG removed Kami from sales, nerfhammered Minekaze and new "OP premium" was born...

 

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

They why do they bother changing silver ships?

Why did they improve Le Terrible without making her too strong? Why are not ALL premium ships improved until they are MUCH stronger than silver ships?

To be honest silver FR DD line was balanced around Aigle being pretty much better than Guepard. Same with post buff Le Trollible - she loses AA and 200m of concealment compared to Fanta (neither of which are something to write home about) but have faster gun reload, faster torp reload and torps themselves have better reaction time. 

[CptBarney]

Wait how did you get stats for poi?

 

I thought she wasn't released yet?

 

 

[MacFergus]

56 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You did not answer my question...

 

The way premium status influences ships should be obvious. A hint:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

These ARP ships must have shells filled with the wrath of the Emperor!

I did answer your question even when you use the Minekaze as a smokescreen you sly old dog you btw they are both the same ship Kami is not inferior.

 

WG wont Nerf Premium ships even if it means it ruins the Meta of the game for example.

 

The IJN line of DDs was fun back in 2016 until WG decided to sell their new BBs and because baby BB drivers couldn't use the WASD keys WG thought they would help them by nefting everything that poised a threat to BBs that's what WG consider balance and in the process lost half their player base.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

I did answer your question even when you use the Minekaze as a smokescreen you sly old dog you btw they are both the same ship Kami is not inferior.

No, you did not. Do I need to explain to you what a closed (yes or no) question is?

And no, Kamikaze is slightly slower than Minekaze...

[MacFergus]

2 hours ago, Lebedjev said:

 

They try. #GC

But community said no...

 

However that policy of not balancing premium ship really exist ?

Like i didn't find the line saying that in the agrement contract.

That's a good question , but if WG balanced their op premium ships (Not All) they wouldn't sell , This wasn't a problem when the game first started because the player base was very healthy so they were gaining a lot more subs , As the player base has been in decline they must look for new ways to make money.

 

The Belfast really started the decline although the Tirpitz was also a game changer.

 

You really have to ask yourself if WG really cared for the balance of the game why put clearly op ships that they themselves have admitted to be op in loot-boxes why not remove them from the game and refund the in Dabs surely people would understand and support WG in this.

[MacFergus]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No, you did not. Do I need to explain to you what a closed (yes or no) question is?

And no, Kamikaze is slightly slower than Minekaze…

If you want to knit pick then yes the Kami is slightly slower not that its makes a huge difference they are virtually the same ship.

 

And no the Kongo was a strong silver line ship until of course the Germans came along and then the British flamethrowers and then the big bad GC so your point is mute.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

If you want to knit pick then yes the Kami is slightly slower not that its makes a huge difference they are virtually the same ship.

 

And no the Kongo was a strong silver line ship until of course the Germans came along and then the British flamethrowers and then the big bad GC so your point is mute.

Which I said..., but that still does not answer my question.

 

My point was to show you what difference premium status makes.

[MacFergus]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Which I said..., but that still does not answer my question.

 

My point was to show you what difference premium status makes.

Erm not sure what your trying to say Pete , Are you defending WG policy of not Nerfing premium ships? Are you saying Silver line ships get balanced which sometimes they do which is absurd if you don't balance the gold line as well.

 

Just for example if you nerf the Jap DD silver line like they did who now can take on a Kami unless its another Kami , Oh the Clemson if your lucky enough to find one in a game.

 

You see the Sisters were not a problem when they had the other IJN Silver line DDs of the same calibre.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

You see the Sisters were not a problem when they had the other IJN Silver line DDs of the same calibre.

If they were not a problem then, then they cannot be a problem now!

People are complaining about power creep for years and the Kami sisters did not get improved all this time.

Btw. you do not use torpedo boats to counter torpedo boats...

7 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Are you defending WG policy of not Nerfing premium ships?

No.

7 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

Are you saying Silver line ships get balanced which sometimes they do ...

No. That is a fact, not my opinion.

[Zemeritt]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Yeah, having the smallest main guns on Tier VIII will be completly "OP"...

 

Jep, but only until Odin

[MacFergus]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If they were not a problem then, then they cannot be a problem now!

People are complaining about power creep for years and the Kami sisters did not get improved all this time.

Btw. you do not use torpedo boats to counter torpedo boats...

No.

No. That is a fact, not my opinion.

Please stop quoting bits of my sentences its annoying and rude to suit your own argument either quote the whole sentence or don't bother.

 

No you don't counter a torp boat with another torp boat but considering i'm hitting my head against a wall because you cant see the problem of one team having a Kamikaze and the other team don't gives the team that has one a huge advantage.

 

Its like Radar god bless it one team will always have more sometimes 3 times more WG balance oh yes.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, MacFergus said:

No you don't counter a torp boat with another torp boat but considering i'm hitting my head against a wall because you cant see the problem of one team having a Kamikaze and the other team don't gives the team that has one a huge advantage.

The problem is not the Kamikaze, but the three+ year WoWs veteran sailing her with a high point captain.

[WeGreedy]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

They are smaller....

Yet she still has the smallest main guns on her tier.

[MacFergus]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

The problem is not the Kamikaze, but the three+ year WoWs veteran sailing her with a high point captain.

Really your going with that one.

 

Are you telling me that all Alpha and Beta testers are amazing players?.

 

Does being an Alpha or Beta player guarantee you good stats?.

 

Does playing the game for three years make you automatically a better player?. Blimey Pete I thought you knew the game better than that , You can be a good player in this game within 3 weeks if you learn the basics or even better join a clan and team up with like minded people.

 

On the other-hand their are plenty of people who know the basics after 3 years and still struggle with the game.

 

Answer me this Pete when WG balanced the IJN silver line of DDs why did they not balance the Sisters? Maybe because the IJN line didn't need balancing in the first place or were they op?.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

The problem is not the Kamikaze, but the three+ year WoWs veteran sailing her with a high point captain.

 

I do actually agree on this one. I will also go further and say: same applies for ships like GC. GC was hyped, especially by one guy, one video. In that video, the ship was much stronger compared to what we got on the release but who cares. People were hyped. So they went and bought the ship, experianced players, that mostly havent touched T5 BBs for a long time. And they get awesome results and think its only the ship, while infact - its them. I actually had this theory and went to test it recently. I took out the ARP Kongo again, a ship I hadnt touched for, well, almost 2 years? I never was good in her. 47% or so. Then I did this in the last weeks:

 

 

Couple of games already dropped from the 21 days, there were even better. This exceeds my performance in GC, which I play pretty much regulary from time to time. So anyone got explanations how that can be?

 

12 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

I see yet another Premium Ship in development, The Poltava, a T8 Russian BB, hands up who expects this paper ship from a non existent naval present nation, in the second world war, which I believe is the "primary" period the game is supposed to cover to be OP, no doubt it'll have radar, smoke, concrete armour, and be pin point accurate.

 

No doubt you are wrong.

 

btw: this thread finaly made me come back from hibernation. I was close before. well done?