german battleships are not "viable"...

[Maris_Piper]

I just get so ed of about people crying about German Battleships, if you go historical they were no wonder ships as any naval historian will tell you, Bismark had so many flaws due to poor design including knocking out it's own fire control with it's main battery blasts and recoil it's claim to fame sinking an aging Battlecruiser/ Lightly Armoured Fast Battleship, that should never have been at sea The Scharnhorsts were undergunned and were not good sea keepers as were the Nurnberg type cruisers the Hippers were outclassed by the Algerie type cruisers of the Freench MN.. In game much is made of the Turtle Back but this is so over hyped and was no way near as effective as WOW's portrays it

I started playing WOW's to play the American and British Battleship lines, I soon relised what Wargaming had done to them and moved over to playing the German ships as they were portrayed much better in the game and I enjoyed every second of playing them as they bore little resemblance to there actual capabilities and the buffs to their guns only enhanced this so forgive me for having no sympathy with he constant bleating. Watching players putting their ships into situations where they should not be is no fault in the ship, WG's meta is BBQ time nowadays. Don't attend the BBQ.

[Itwastuesday]

I quite like Scharnhorst. The others, not so much, every time I try Odin I just get AP bombed over and over. 

 

Actually, I just like T7 and lower and don't much care for tiers higher than that. Too much planes.

[Hirohito]

3 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

I quite like Scharnhorst. The others, not so much, every time I try Odin I just get AP bombed over and over. 

 

Actually, I just like T7 and lower and don't much care for tiers higher than that. Too much planes.

Strange, my experience is that lower tiers have more CVs in general (esp T4).

[R3DR1D1NGH0OD]

I really like the Pommern.

[HaachamaShipping]

17 minutes ago, Maris_Piper said:

In game much is made of the Turtle Back but this is so over hyped and was no way near as effective as WOW's portrays it

Implying Hipper's turtleback isn't just overhyped compared to what it really is in game. 90% of the time you fail to cit a broadside Hipper it's because overpens as the citadel sits lower than your typical cruiser cit, not because of turtleback.

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, xXDa7nielXx said:

*5 years and no idea about what's a necro?!*

[Maris_Piper]

15 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Implying Hipper's turtleback isn't just overhyped compared to what it really is in game. 90% of the time you fail to cit a broadside Hipper it's because overpens as the citadel sits lower than your typical cruiser cit, not because of turtleback.

IImplying Nothing, saying what I think, Read into it what you wish Turtle back in a real life battle conditions was overhyped

Ps I play the Prinz Eugen, I'm a Potatoe and need the heal

 

[Itwastuesday]

18 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Strange, my experience is that lower tiers have more CVs in general (esp T4).

I think all the CV statpadders migrated to Manfriend and FdR

[HaachamaShipping]

10 minutes ago, Maris_Piper said:

IImplying Nothing, saying what I think, Read into it what you wish Turtle back in a real life battle conditions was overhyped

 

Just saying, claiming the Hipper turtleback ingame is more useful than it should be given reality assumes that the turtleback is very useful in the first place. It isn't. German heavy cruisers Hipper and up will still regularly eat cits with ease and the only thing they got going for them over IJN or others is that the citadel is a slight bit lower in the water. It's also not a thing that plunging fire is necessary to citpen these cruisers, you can citadel them at any range, provided your guns got the pen.

[Itwastuesday]

1 minute ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Just saying, claiming the Hipper turtleback ingame is more useful than it should be given reality assumes that the turtleback is very useful in the first place. It isn't. German heavy cruisers Hipper and up will still regularly eat cits with ease and the only thing they got going for them over IJN or others is that the citadel is a slight bit lower in the water. It's also not a thing that plunging fire is necessary to citpen these cruisers, you can citadel them at any range, provided your guns got the pen.

Yeah opening the armor viewer on a German CA is not pleasant if you expect to find strong citadel protection :D

[Captain_Newman]

Turtleback gets more KM BB players killed than it helps. What's the usual position you see the enemy GK, Bismarck, Tirpitz, etc in? That's right, full broadside. Great job genius, you didn't get citadeled, but do enjoy eating a 32k volley of full pens into your broadside.

 

Of course, a part of the issue with these ships is that their preferred playstyle - brawling - isn't the best fit for the current meta in randoms, takes a lot of skill to execute properly, and most of the player base doesn't have the required skill. I can speak from experience, this was my first BB line years ago and I was horrendous in it. Your average KM BB player is in those ships because, while he may not know much about the game or naval history in general, he has heard of the Bismarck and Tirpitz, so hurr durr must be great right? He then reads online they're brawlers so he pushes into the whole enemy team and rages at his team when he gets melted. Knowing how, when and where to push, so you can put that hydro and secondaries to good use, that's just not something the average player can do. Staying at range with a much more accurate BB, though, and occasionally having lucky volleys racking up damage, that's far easier to implement.

[Maris_Piper]

14 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Just saying, claiming the Hipper turtleback ingame is more useful than it should be given reality assumes that the turtleback is very useful in the first place. It isn't. German heavy cruisers Hipper and up will still regularly eat cits with ease and the only thing they got going for them over IJN or others is that the citadel is a slight bit lower in the water. It's also not a thing that plunging fire is necessary to citpen these cruisers, you can citadel them at any range, provided your guns got the pen.

Sorry reading back my reply it did seem a bit terse I was refering to Battleships as in the OP, as for turtle back in the Hipper/Prinz Eugen/Mieinz trust it at your peril but Agir seems to be more of a super Scharny,,,, as for T8 German cruisers or IJN, Easy Choice for me Atago every time

[Sunleader]

[_Teob_]

Please don't necro threads just to start arguments.

 

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