Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #26 Posted September 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, mtm78 said: You could stop calling them that after they nerved IJN torps. I'd take a Somers over a Shima all day, if I had one that is Why you would want to play handicapped Gearing is beyond me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ATUM] _HMS_RICHY Players 310 posts 27,211 battles Report post #27 Posted September 7, 2019 Sure buff them if you wish. But I have no real problem with them as they are, you just need to push a bit to make them work right. Großer Kurfürst 75 games 57% winrate Friedrich der Große 92 games 57% winrate Bismarck 860 games 59% winrate Gneisenau 257 games 60% winrate Scharnhorst 81 games 65% winrate Bayern 709 games 61% winrate Yep seem pretty weak to me as well. Please buff. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GURKA] Captain_Breeze Players 734 posts 32,019 battles Report post #28 Posted September 7, 2019 I love my GK and Bismark. Using a secondary build is great fun......they are not camping ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GURKA] Captain_Breeze Players 734 posts 32,019 battles Report post #29 Posted September 7, 2019 Morning @_HMS_RICHY see you soon matey. Home on Wednesday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Fat_Maniac [HOO] Players 2,337 posts 4,238 battles Report post #30 Posted September 7, 2019 It's not German BB's that are broken. It's the game meta. It simply doesn't suit the get in closer and use your secondaries play style of the KM BB's, or should I say. The majority of the player base doesn't think it does, because BB's have to camp because of HE spam and those pesky torpedoes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #31 Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Sunleader said: They are Not. Their ability to Contest Caps is almost nonexistent cause everyone Spots them First. And because their Guns are so Weak that even Torpedo DDs Outgun them. Putting fingers in your ears and saying "They are Not" does not cut it. Do you have proof? http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-O-M] MadBadDave Players 1,355 posts Report post #32 Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, mtm78 said: The only thing I would love from your list is a move away from braindead BB line's who's primary ammo is HE. Not by buffing the AP, but by severely nerving the HE so it's in line with other BB's, and THEN maybe upping the AP pen a bit. HE BB's are just .... nauseating. I agree, as if the island hugging HE spamming Cruisers aren't bad enough, it's WG's latest push to DAKKA DD botes, producing a constant stream of HE as well. I know we’re talking about the heavily biased russian fan boy company that still hasn't go the cv rework right, but surely they must realize that with so much HE BB's are going to sit back, and snipe from a far, which makes the game boring & un-enjoyable. I can understand BB's slinging HE from afar, and depending on which ship I'm in, I'll do it, for 2-3 salvo's, but on the whole I use AP. Whether it's noobs, the unaware or just lazy, you do see more and more BB's within 10km firing HE, which is laughable, especially if I'm in my Bismarck,with full secondary build (as they normally are ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #33 Posted September 7, 2019 Btw. here the Top 20 of the most played BB in the last two months: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190907/eu_2month/average_ship.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ATUM] _HMS_RICHY Players 310 posts 27,211 battles Report post #34 Posted September 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said: Morning @_HMS_RICHY see you soon matey. Home on Wednesday Sure thing bud see you soon). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGP2W] LemonadeWarriorITA [WGP2W] Beta Tester 1,669 posts 8,186 battles Report post #35 Posted September 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: Have you seen my German DD stats?? Coz errrrr.... they are pretty damn good.... even Z-52 in ranked. I was looking for a new goal, yet I got betrayed. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I must say that I don't really like the GK. I guess it is because I love my Monty too much and try to play her the same way. On the other hand I rebought the FDG, because that ship is pretty fun to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,017 battles Report post #36 Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said: I must say that I don't really like the GK. What kinda build do you use? Started to get good results once i went full tank build. Play a bit more careful at first, get rid of HE spamming Cruisers. Then you can pretty safely roll over the enemies because of its tankyness. Thats why i wonder, how ill do in Monty... (when i get it ) Guns should be better, but with GK i could turn games because of distracting the enemies with pushing and tanking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGP2W] LemonadeWarriorITA [WGP2W] Beta Tester 1,669 posts 8,186 battles Report post #37 Posted September 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: What kinda build do you use? Started to get good results once i went full tank build. Play a bit more careful at first, get rid of HE spamming Cruisers. Then you can pretty safely roll over the enemies because of its tankyness. Thats why i wonder, how ill do in Monty... (when i get it ) Guns should be better, but with GK i could turn games because of distracting the enemies with pushing and tanking. Ooooff, I believe some kind of hybrid build with AFT, Manual Sec and FP, and with the accuracy module instead of extra sec range. Full tank build might be better, but in that case I am better off playing the Montana :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #38 Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Panocek said: Why you would want to play handicapped Gearing is beyond me Because it is a better 'torpedo boat' as Shima? I know, 5k less per torp, but now compare the concealment of the torps and you even get long range. Putting TA on Sommers would make those torps imo the best one's in game because they should be much more reliable ( mind you I just unlocked my Fletcher with the good torps so I might be lacking some on hands experience ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #39 Posted September 7, 2019 German battleships should get soviet style damage control or give them AFT or Manual secondarys already build in so they can spend some points into survivability. German destroyers are horrible: HE is useless, AP works only when showing broadside and it lacks penetration, torpedoes are nice but they do too little damage, big and awful concealment all these for a hydro? Really? give them 1/4 he pen or improve AP penetration so we can citadel broadside moskva from 10km, mass, gaede, z-23 need theyre concealment buffed, z-52 could use 1k or 1.5 k more HP and 1500 additional torpedo damage! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #40 Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, mtm78 said: You could stop calling them that after they nerved IJN torps. I'd take a Somers over a Shima all day, if I had one that is You mention the Somers, but what about the gearing is she any good compared to the infamous Shima? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #41 Posted September 7, 2019 So the gaede is third from bottom in some categories and higher in others like tanking and winrate. Interesting. Avg damage is so low, but them im shite in her anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GURKA] Captain_Breeze Players 734 posts 32,019 battles Report post #42 Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: You mention the Somers, but what about the gearing is she any good compared to the infamous Shima? I have the gearing with the legendary module. Love it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #43 Posted September 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: You mention the Somers, but what about the gearing is she any good compared to the infamous Shima? Don't have Gearing yet, I am now playing Fletcher ( well not really, I stopped the line for now and concentrated on leveling up VMF BB's and FR DD's first ). Also, Shimakaze isn't bad at all but it is very situational. Get a glue eating enemy team who haven't heard of WASD hacking, and Shima will be a very happy girl. Shima is pretty fast, pretty nimble, good concealment, and IJN ballistics have always been nice even if lacking now in their old alpha strike capability. Shima loves being in a team which has the initiative, so that the enemy has to advance into her 'zone'. Somers to me, not having played her, looks like less constricted. But Shimakze is still a good girl ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] B051LjKo Players 593 posts 26,658 battles Report post #44 Posted September 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Sunleader said: WG hates Germany. Thats well known. GermanStuff is always weak inany WG Game... As for German BBs. In lower Tiers they are Average. Beyond that they are Simply the worst at everything. To be honest, I think they could use a Sigma buff, and secondaries in general should get some love, but in general the are OKish. Stats prove that, GK is at 49.90 % average, Bismarck is at 50.54%, Hipper is at 49.55 ad Z52 is at 50.32. You on the other hand have win rates of 25% (!!!) on Z52, 38.46 % on the Hipper, 41.46% on Bismarck and 43.85% on GK. So you blame you poor performance on WG and its hate towards Germany? Under powered ships are preventing you to do better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #45 Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, mtm78 said: Because it is a better 'torpedo boat' as Shima? I know, 5k less per torp, but now compare the concealment of the torps and you even get long range. Putting TA on Sommers would make those torps imo the best one's in game because they should be much more reliable ( mind you I just unlocked my Fletcher with the good torps so I might be lacking some on hands experience ). So is Gearing, as they use exactly the same torps. And then Gearing can beat the out of pretty much any DD in a brawl with her guns, unlike Somers - 8gun salvo can be nice... 6s reload not so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #46 Posted September 7, 2019 True but having 3 launchers should increase your hit ratio, and well I guess Sommers would actually play like old Shima, high alpha strike guns but low dpm I guess I can work with that ( torpedo focus gameplay, only aiding other DD's in gunfights and don't pick them myself if possible unless it's later game and I have a hp advantage over them ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #47 Posted September 7, 2019 I have been told that the GK with a spotter plane is borderline OP, so I like it. Can someone define camping (not the wet miserable weather is sodden tents kind either) always bugs me when actually using tactics to be called a camper, edging out from behind a rock to engage and take a shot depending on the situation I don't consider camping, not do I consider 'kiting' as running away especially if you plan on turning around and joining the fray once more. Sitting and NOT moving from behind a rock for the most part of the game then yes that would in my book be camping, never ever like to do that in my German BB's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GURKA] Captain_Breeze Players 734 posts 32,019 battles Report post #48 Posted September 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: Can someone define camping BB's camping is just when they don't move from their spawn positions. With the GK I move in with the fleet but have already planned an exit route if I'm getting burned too much. I then turn and heal and go back in to finish them off, that's when the secondary's come into their own. 2 Großer Kurfürst 10 Germany 143 57.34% 1 500 92 485 Not the best stats, but I have fun with her. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #49 Posted September 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: edging out from behind a rock to engage and take a shot depending on the situation I don't consider camping Depends on if you do it in a cruiser, while your BB is agroing enemy team, or in a BB while your cruisers are being agro'd by enemy team. 11 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said: With the GK I move in with the fleet but have already planned an exit route if I'm getting burned too much You deserve much praise dear Sir. Also, if we could populate the server with some clones of you I'm sure overall gameplay would be much more enjoyable. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GURKA] Captain_Breeze Players 734 posts 32,019 battles Report post #50 Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, mtm78 said: You deserve much praise dear Sir. Also, if we could populate the server with some clones of you I'm sure overall gameplay would be much more enjoyable. Thank you kindly good Sir Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
