The difference between Ismail & Warshite

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 hour ago, Butterdoll said:

Next time raptor is on I will show you that screenshot you are talking about.

Here my last game, 5 min ago, to finish those damn 5k XP on dds from French dds event: I was in a dd, indeed, but I always switched between HE and AP ( and I do have IFHE on this commander...) , all function of target: full broadside under 7km = AP, anything else = only HE. But at the end, looking at numbers, they are close, 162 HE and 104 AP used/fired  in all game, with some juicy 25 cits !

 

 ...  True was a game of "carrying" since 3/4 of team suicide on start,  and I got more target opportunities than usual;

 

[Solo_Wing_Potato]

36 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Er... Warspite is nimble, hard hitting with secondaries and main gun AP.... but terrible turret speed.  Queen Lizzie, though, is better balanced, especially with a carrier in the game, and a hoot in Operations (like Aegis) with her spotter plane. You can burn down all three of the final stage BBs before they're even in gun range. The QE class, really, are elegant and dangerous... a kind of epee to the Izmail's lump hammer. 

 

Think you're remembering old Warspite with Yammy levels of slow, after the buff she's pretty competitive with the other T6's on the Turret Traverse side of things.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, Bratwurst_Bob said:

I wish I could get my money back for this PoS...

 

How this thread has gone on this long I'll never know as this is just a case of a bad player playing a great ship badly...

[WeGreedy]

2 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Well, look at the RN (brits) HE fire chance .

Orion, a T4 ship, when was released, was a super OP monster of HE, burning non-stop any ship at each salvo. If I remember correctly, was something like 46%, then the devs nerfed that at 40%, , and still burn all.

On higher tiers you see even more the difference, T9 german 406mm guns stick to 38% fire chance, and the brits go up to 46% ( Lyon) , and 48% (!) at T10 ( Conq) vs 38/41 % of germans.

That is almost 1 of 2 shells will ignite a fire.

You talk about Gneiss ( a lovely ship indeed ) BUT you forgot the guns number !

6 guns vs 8 at least on brits side, 34 % vs 41 % fire chances. Significant differences, I think you agree.

 

Brits shells did have, back on time, a heavier HE filter compared to german counterparts. German shells were lighter, but faster. RN  were heavier, but also slower.

Warspite still overmatches many parts of tier six and even tier seven ships. Fire damage versus battleships may look good in the results screen. But that's about it.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

Er... Warspite is nimble, hard hitting with secondaries and main gun AP.... but terrible turret speed.  Queen Lizzie, though, is better balanced, especially with a carrier in the game, and a hoot in Operations (like Aegis) with her spotter plane. You can burn down all three of the final stage BBs before they're even in gun range. The QE class, really, are elegant and dangerous... a kind of epee to the Izmail's lump hammer. 

Ah yeah, because QE has the old Warspite turret traverse from the times when Warspite turrets were glacially slow. I can totally see why you'd play QE instead. 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Took her out for a spin in ranked, then I remembered why I do not play her anymore, time for the scrap heap where she belongs, Both Mutso and Fuso are better as is the Normandie and Dunkerque,not really got the feel of the Ishmail yet even the QE seemed better, yes Warshyte is just that.

[CptBarney]

Spams HE in a ship with tier 8 guns and is basically a better queen elizabeth.

 

hilarious.

[Padds01]

dont have the warspite but i do have that monster the Izmail, its extremely russian the ghost of stalin is strong in that one

[quickr]

Listen mate, we can talk trash about all kinds of ships in the game... but warspite... never warspite.. That thing is a legend and you don't trash talk a legend. Now apologize.

[KillStealBoss]

Lol dude, you don't play Warspite like other RN BBs. It wasn't designed for that. It has great AP as other regular BBs... HE spam on it it's like shooting AP all the time on Yoshino. Total fail. 

[mtm78]

I thought this was a wine topic on how Warspite was bad, but it seems to be about operations and how you should use HE? 

 

I detest RN BB's because they are HE focused.. gladly Spite was released prior to those shenanigans and has excellent AP. 

 

Guess it's the Russian ship which is the stinker here ( or well I'm rusty and not the same player I was once I did those other BB's ). 

 

I was more concerned with the income on those pictures, Spite should be making more as Izmail when doing the same dmg to the same targets. 

[Yedwy]

IMO Warspites only problem is it doesnt do 27+ kt

[Uglesett]

10 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you get 2 dds rushing you at 6 km, bow in. You load AP, then ?! If so, you are dead. With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

Warspite doesn't have "RN HE". 

 

She's got standard HE pen and the only British BBs with less HE shell damage than her are Bellerophon and Dreadnought.

[Fat_Maniac]

Warspite is shite? WTF !

 

[Bellegar]

12 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you get 2 dds rushing you at 6 km, bow in. You load AP, then ?! If so, you are dead. With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

( we are talking about Op.s here ! )

You are forgetting one thing though: Warspite does NOT have RN HE!

One does not shoot HE with Warspite. It's just as stupid as speccing a Nikolai for AA.

 

12 hours ago, Bratwurst_Bob said:

I wish I could get my money back for this PoS...

And that is an alpha tester

I would have hoped by now you learned how the game works. Anybody who thinks Warspite is a bad ship is playing it wrong. It's that simple.

In your case, the playing it wrong is due to using HE.

 

I have both... trust me, Warspite is the better ship.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Lol so many taking umbrage at this rant about the Warspite, well not quite finding my feet yet i the ranked and getting a tad ragey....................

 

Then this happened, in the most unexpected ship too, wasn't much but after a few bouts in WoT's, then in ranked this morning, it sure brightened up my day

 

Hell I might even come back and give the old girl a spin,you know it is good when it makes you THAT  happy

 

[Aetius85]

3 hours ago, quickr said:

Listen mate, we can talk trash about all kinds of ships in the game... but warspite... never warspite.. That thing is a legend and you don't trash talk a legend. Now apologize.

I think it's very offensive joking on the name and calling "Warshite" a legendary ship like her. One of the most honourable ships of 2 wars. Respect for the Old Lady

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Lol so many taking umbrage at this rant about the Warspite, well not quite finding my feet yet i the ranked and getting a tad ragey....................

 

Then this happened, in the most unexpected ship too, wasn't much but after a few bouts in WoT's, then in ranked this morning, it sure brightened up my day

 

Hell I might even come back and give the old girl a spin,you know it is good when it makes you THAT  happy

 

The thing is, you have 406's at tier 6 which meant you could of just overmatched everything that was on the enemy team.

 

Which i don't see why you wouldn't, even against tier 8's Virginia has pretty gud gunz. Plus you would of probs killed 5+ in that game. It's like mutsu she has fat gunz at a low tier.

 

Oh and with miss virginina when up tiered player her as a mid range support ship. Top tier you can lead the push, but she does have 25mm's of armour so i think every BB there could overmatch your front anyways (make sure to angle). HE will be a nightmare, and you might overpen a lot against cruisers doe.

 

Although trying to reposition with her, is a pain because shes so slow.

 

Mind you this is just general advice to anyone who reads this regardless, if she had 356mm's then i guess HE might be acceptable if the enemy is angling, but with 406's i don't see the point unless against anything russian or uptiered to tier 8 ships.

 

Just go for the superstructure if your ever unsure of whether you can pen the bow, but 406's can overmatch 27mm's i think, so should be fine to use AP mostly. Mutsu has WW1 shells so penning the belt armour of some BB's at range can be difficult.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 hour ago, Bellegar said:

You are forgetting one thing though: Warspite does NOT have RN HE!

One does not shoot HE with Warspite. It's just as stupid as speccing a Nikolai for AA.

 

And that is an alpha tester

I would have hoped by now you learned how the game works. Anybody who thinks Warspite is a bad ship is playing it wrong. It's that simple.

In your case, the playing it wrong is due to using HE.

 

I have both... trust me, Warspite is the better ship.

So, you are one of those who load AP at a bow-in dd who charge you ?

That's smart !

[Uglesett]

16 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you are one of those who load AP at a bow-in dd who charge you ?

That's smart !

Warspite will overmatch pretty much any DD she encounters. And while an HE pen does more damage (1749 vs 1140 for an AP overpen or pen vs DD), the possibility of internal ricochets causing additional damage means that the gap between HE and AP damage isn't necessarily that big. AP is probably a bit more random, though, but there's no major need to switch to HE for dealing with DDs.

[CptBarney]

26 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you are one of those who load AP at a bow-in dd who charge you ?

That's smart !

Nor do you spam HE in a ship with tier 8 guns at everything that exists.

 

Hense why expert loader is a useful skill for those who like to switch ammo types for whatever reason.

 

She isnt a bad ship end of.

 

Ironically enough his example shows one match where he HE spams and another where he uses only AP in two different ships, which makes his entire point irrelevant and redundant.

[Bellegar]

28 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you are one of those who load AP at a bow-in dd who charge you ?

That's smart !

Yes it is.

At least it's smarter than not shooting AP and just switching to HE.

And it's A LOT smarter than defaulting to HE and slinging that at everything.

 

Remember, Warspite does NOT have Britisch thermonuclear HE. It's HE is pretty bad.

[Panocek]

14 hours ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

Warspite comes from age when HE on BB was considered heresy and doesn't have current Tea infused HE shells of silver line.

[invicta2012]

12 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Ah yeah, because QE has the old Warspite turret traverse from the times when Warspite turrets were glacially slow. I can totally see why you'd play QE instead. 

Last night I was playing QE to vex the bow tanking Dunkerque divisions cluttering up Ranked Sprint 7. Toasted baguette is the order of the day, and she's good at that. 

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Last night I was playing QE to vex the bow tanking Dunkerque divisions cluttering up Ranked Sprint 7. Toasted baguette is the order of the day, and she's good at that. 

You overmatch the jesus out of Dunkeks with 381mm guns