The difference between Ismail & Warshite

[Bratwurst_Bob]

I wish I could get my money back for this PoS...

[ollonborre]

Well if you just spam HE in the Warspite obviously you will have a bad time.

 

Played it in an ops game recently and apart from the somewhat squishy hull the guns are still very very nice for tier 6. The Soviet BB's are certainly ridicilous in many aspects but the Grand Old Lady still holds up.

[Miscommunication_dept]

9 fires? Are you firing HE with your Warspite?

That's not the best idea.

 

 

[Floofz]

Warspite is way better than the Izmail. Youre just using the wrong ammo :D

[ColonelPete]

Warspite has accurate and powerful guns. 380mm at Tier VI gives a nice option for overmatch, but as usual, it is better to shoot enemies from flanks.

[Seinta]

Comparing HE and AP?

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

In Op.s, most of the times the bots run at you bow-in, from several directions sometimes,  HE spam is a valid option, especially when you get swarmed by 1-2 dds and 2-3 cruisers.

 I understand the OP reasons.

On Raptor, last week Op.,  a RN bb could deal more damage against soft skin targets with HE ( dds and cv.s) broadside or bow-in) than AP who over-pen most of those targets.

Problem is Warspite have less 4 guns, and the ballistics are inferior to Izmail.

Add to that the hordes of dds who can take 2-3 loads of AP and still flood the water with trillions of torps, but die a bit faster when meet a load of HE, bow in or not.

The Izmail main advantage reside in the NUMBER of guns ( 8 vs 12 ! ) ,  a much better ballistic,  and, most important, accuracy bonus closer the target get.

With the Warcrap I am happy if I put 1-2 shells in a bow-in Aoba rushing me at 8 km,  but Izmail gets 4-5 shells there with no problems at all, and usually at least one go deep in citadel.

Same for dd.s rushing bow-in - are 4 extra shells there, faster and more accurate, who do the job.

My Warspite is rusting in harbor for months now, all the work is now with the russian beast.

At T7, in Ops, we see the same, Sinop is way better than any silver or gold bb and, funny enough, give you more credits.

[Butterdoll]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Warspite has accurate and powerful guns. 380mm at Tier VI gives a nice option for overmatch, but als usual, it is better to shoot enemies from flanks.

aren't they 381 mm?

 

26 minutes ago, Bratwurst_Bob said:

I wish I could get my money back for this PoS...

if I was you I would reconsider the PoS thing.

Because what you can't do what you are trying to do.whatever may be.

FFs shoot AP man

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 minute ago, Butterdoll said:

aren't they 381 mm?

 

if I was you I would reconsider the PoS thing.

Because what you can't do what you are trying to do.whatever may be.

FFs shoot AP man

So, you get 2 dds rushing you at 6 km, bow in. You load AP, then ?! If so, you are dead. With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

( we are talking about Op.s here ! )

[Butterdoll]

2 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

In Op.s, most of the times the bots run at you bow-in, from several directions sometimes,  HE spam is a valid option, especially when you get swarmed by 1-2 dds and 2-3 cruisers.

 I understand the OP reasons.

Add to that the hordes of dds who can take 2-3 loads of AP and still flood the water with trillions of torps, but die a bit faster when meet a load of HE, bow in or not.

The Izmail main advantage reside in the NUMBER of guns ( 8 vs 12 ! ) ,  a much better ballistic,  and, most important, accuracy bonus closer the target get.

With the Warcrap I am happy if I put 1-2 shells in a bow-in Aoba rushing me at 8 km,  but Izmail gets 4-5 shells there with no problems at all, and usually at least one go deep in citadel.

Same for dd.s rushing bow-in - are 4 extra shells there, faster and more accurate, who do the job.

My Warspite is rusting in harbor for months now, all the work is now with the russian beast.

At T7, in Ops, we see the same, Sinop is way better than any silver or gold bb and, funny enough, give you more credits.

In ops, it's 100% AP, against all targets, broadside targets, angled targets, even dds.

Just now I did 11 citadels with my Bayern, the game before that , I did 14 citadels in ops, and so on.

In ops the only time I shoot HE is with my cruisers.

 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Bayern HE is crap compared with RN HE ! And I love to learn how to citadel a dd !

[Butterdoll]

2 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you get 2 dds rushing you at 6 km, bow in. You load AP, then ?! If so, you are dead. With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

( we are talking about Op.s here ! )

In Newport I do exactly that with the second wave I put my secondaries on the closer dd, I rush it , I shoot, I dodge I shoot again I sink the dd with the main guns or with the secondaries, I come in again while brawling the closer BB to me, side by side, and the second  if it still stands while running from the third wave.

I do it all the time, then if I chose the right side I exit again to sink the York + aoba (with support many of times ) and come back in while brawling the Bayern.

[Bics93]

Press “2” key to switch to AP on your Warspite 

[lovelacebeer]

Warspite was the first British battleship in game and has got proper AP shells, before WG decided to turn the U.K. BBs into fire spammers, just play her like a normal battleship and use AP except against DDs naturally. 

 

Her main draw back is her speed, certainly not her guns.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

16 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

In Newport I do exactly that with the second wave I put my secondaries on the closer dd, I rush it , I shoot, I dodge I shoot again I sink the dd with the main guns or with the secondaries, I come in again while brawling the closer BB to me, side by side, and the second  if it still stands while running from the third wave.

I do it all the time, then if I chose the right side I exit again to sink the York + aoba (with support many of times ) and come back in while brawling the Bayern.

Show me a screenshot how you use ONLY AP in Raptor Op. ( last week Op. ! )  and I believe you.

You DO NOT shoot AP ad a bow-in dd at 5-6 km, rushing you generally specking,  and ESPECIALLY when you are in a RN ship. Tier 1 ships can bounce Yamato AP shells bow in, at certain angle !

A decent player will mix the shells function of target, distance and position.

Are situations like this, dd bow-in very close, where an AP load can give you 1-3 k dam, MAYBE, but  a load of HE  will delete that dd. Especially BIG british HE shells ( like Warspite shells at T6 )

 

Is not obvious on OP image here what Op. was in, but I bet was the Raptor rescue Op.

 

[Butterdoll]

6 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Bayern HE is crap compared with RN HE ! And I love to learn how to citadel a dd !

I have to admit I don't know about HE % of Bayern. But Gneisenau has 34% probability of causing fires, and that's pretty damn good if you ask me, my cruisers tops at 16% or 17% if we are talking about Myoko, all the others are between 12% and 14%.

And yes, I know about ROF, but if you land a well place HE salvo is an instant fire.

I used before sometimes against others BBs in random.

A brawl between two gneises, we were both angled and he was kitting, that brawl wasn't going anywhere so I switched to HE, he didn't, I won.

I'm not talking in hitting a citadel of a dd. but you can get 2k or 3k salvos from AP against a dd, sometimes even more, and that's good enough for me, I usually end up side by side with that bb with my guns poiting it's citadel and ready to shoot.

 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Well, look at the RN (brits) HE fire chance .

Orion, a T4 ship, when was released, was a super OP monster of HE, burning non-stop any ship at each salvo. If I remember correctly, was something like 46%, then the devs nerfed that at 40%, , and still burn all.

On higher tiers you see even more the difference, T9 german 406mm guns stick to 38% fire chance, and the brits go up to 46% ( Lyon) , and 48% (!) at T10 ( Conq) vs 38/41 % of germans.

That is almost 1 of 2 shells will ignite a fire.

You talk about Gneiss ( a lovely ship indeed ) BUT you forgot the guns number !

6 guns vs 8 at least on brits side, 34 % vs 41 % fire chances. Significant differences, I think you agree.

 

Brits shells did have, back on time, a heavier HE filter compared to german counterparts. German shells were lighter, but faster. RN  were heavier, but also slower.

[Butterdoll]

3 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Show me a screenshot how you use ONLY AP in Raptor Op. ( last week Op. ! )  and I believe you.

You DO NOT shoot AP ad a bow-in dd at 5-6 km, rushing you generally specking,  and ESPECIALLY when you are in a RN ship. Tier 1 ships can bounce Yamato AP shells bow in, at certain angle !

A decent player will mix the shells function of target, distance and position.

Are situations like this, dd bow-in very close, where an AP load can give you 1-3 k dam, MAYBE, but  a load of HE  will delete that dd. Especially BIG british HE shells ( like Warspite shells at T6 )

 

But I already did that in a topic of yours about Newport.

I don't have a screenshot of last week operation (sadly, because I was grinding the german mission) but I can show you some. The first one was just after my break, (while getting on my horse with bbs) and the others was before my break.

 

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But remember me in the next raptor op and I will show you.

 

I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying I tried and didn't see anything especial, I didn't saw much of a difference so, (probably me, and different shells speeds, I don't know) for me is AP all the way.

[HaachamaShipping]

55 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, you get 2 dds rushing you at 6 km, bow in. You load AP, then ?! If so, you are dead. With RN HE, you have a relatively BIG chance to obliterate one dd at first salvo.

( we are talking about Op.s here ! )

In Ops, you fire AP at whatever you planned to initially shoot at and then load HE for the DDs. Just dodge the torps. Bots torp on the white line and Warspite is nimble.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Well, mate, is the wrong kind of screenshot, you put the one with "detailed report" there says what kind of shells and how many do you used.

But this is not important, tough, all I wanted to say is this: is wrong to go all with only AP like is wrong to go all with only  HE..

Brit ships favor a bit more the HE. But at the end of the day, all what matter is the damage you put out. No matter what you use.

[Butterdoll]

15 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Well, look at the RN (brits) HE fire chance .

Orion, a T4 ship, when was released, was a super OP monster of HE, burning non-stop any ship at each salvo. If I remember correctly, was something like 46%, then the devs nerfed that at 40%, , and still burn all.

On higher tiers you see even more the difference, T9 german 406mm guns stick to 38% fire chance, and the brits go up to 46% ( Lyon) , and 48% (!) at T10 ( Conq) vs 38/41 % of germans.

That is almost 1 of 2 shells will ignite a fire.

You talk about Gneiss ( a lovely ship indeed ) BUT you forgot the guns number !

6 guns vs 8 at least on brits side, 34 % vs 41 % fire chances. Significant differences, I think you agree.

 

Brits shells did have, back on time, a heavier HE filter compared to german counterparts. German shells were lighter, but faster. RN  were heavier, but also slower.

I didn't forget, about ROF.

I only said 34% it's a good fire chance. they burn everything they touch.

But RN BBs have more fire chance, ofc.

I know I was in cruisers back then, one shot and it was a fire, you repair that fire, second shot and you were on fire again and sunk.

either way, and in my opinion Warspite has more to do with Bayern than with those monstrosities.

[Butterdoll]

5 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Well, mate, is the wrong kind of screenshot, you put the one with "detailed report" there says what kind of shells and how many do you used.

But this is not important, tough, all I wanted to say is this: is wrong to go all with only AP like is wrong to go all with only  HE..

Brit ships favor a bit more the HE. But at the end of the day, all what matter is the damage you put out. No matter what you use.

Next time raptor is on I will show you that screenshot you are talking about.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

5 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

Next time raptor is on I will show you that screenshot you are talking about.

For me, if I get a bb in Raptor, the first one will be for sure Izmail. Just performs much better, on this Op. than Warspite. And yes, I fully agree with you, Warspite is a bit better than Bayern, and for sure more nimble.

[invicta2012]

Er... Warspite is nimble, hard hitting with secondaries and main gun AP.... but terrible turret speed.  Queen Lizzie, though, is better balanced, especially with a carrier in the game, and a hoot in Operations (like Aegis) with her spotter plane. You can burn down all three of the final stage BBs before they're even in gun range. The QE class, really, are elegant and dangerous... a kind of epee to the Izmail's lump hammer. 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

29 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Er... Warspite is nimble, hard hitting with secondaries and main gun AP.... but terrible turret speed.  Queen Lizzie, though, is better balanced, especially with a carrier in the game, and a hoot in Operations (like Aegis) with her spotter plane. You can burn down all three of the final stage BBs before they're even in gun range. The QE class, really, are elegant and dangerous... a kind of epee to the Izmail's lump hammer. 

That is true, take the Old Lady in a ride couple days ago, in Raptor Op., and hell, a full HE broadside on cv at 12 km got me some juicy 12k dam + 2 fires ! And the AA is decent,  got the spotter indeed to cover against those nasty dds who pop up in pair behind islands at 5 km of you...