[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,184 battles Report post #101 Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Capra76 said: It's a trade, we put up with taking damage from surface ships because we have the opportunity to damage them, with CV it's all one way, we take the damage but get nothing back in return. Well meh, last weekend I had multiple times where my team just went hobmobbhing, and my CV got deleted... by about half the other team. "Stay behind your team"... OK... damn they sometimes melt fast eh. Still funny. Sometimes I kill a bunch of the reds that attack me, and some are even good. At least too good for me to finish before they get me. Yes, 14.2 klicks detection range is a thing. I think I'll have to become an expert in "how to stop the lemming train". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #102 Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Well meh, last weekend I had multiple times where my team just went hobmobbhing, and my CV got deleted... by about half the other team. Yesterday I had several matches in which my team would lemming train to one side completely. At which point I just defended the other flank by myself and wiped it. Because as a CV you can do that. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,184 battles Report post #103 Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Yesterday I had several matches in which my team would lemming train to one side completely. At which point I just defended the other flank by myself and wiped it. Because as a CV you can do that. Ah you mean YOU can do it masterrr. But I am yet a padawan. Have some successful attempts though in Ark Royal. Yes the force is stroongggg in that one, too. But alas it is also mighty ff-ing slow. I like the challenge though. In Lexi it is a bit easier unless you get T10. Then you must choose which ones to harvest first... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,578 battles Report post #104 Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: As usual you go super negative and don’t read the thread any further. There is nothing there. The 3 enemy CVs: Gekiganger has a grand total of 200 battles with 48% WR. Redmetal56 has 1k battles with 47% WR. Putallon has 600 battles with 47% WR. What else is there and I don t see it? You had an easy game against 3 nubs? Amazing... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,332 battles Report post #105 Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, 22cm said: There is nothing there. The 3 enemy CVs: Gekiganger has a grand total of 200 battles with 48% WR. Redmetal56 has 1k battles with 47% WR. Putallon has 600 battles with 47% WR. What else is there and I don t see it? You had an easy game against 3 nubs? Amazing... And yet again, you make exactly the same mistake. Outstanding. *slow clap* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #106 Posted October 16, 2019 how 2 cvs game in T4 could NOT be fun :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] asalonen Privateer 791 posts 15,217 battles Report post #107 Posted October 16, 2019 It's not always easy like this, but these DD games are increasingly common in tiers 3 to 5: 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willkham Players 8 posts 893 battles Report post #108 Posted October 16, 2019 Too much CV hate in this community, 2 CV games are already toxic. If they're 2CV in a game at least try to make one of the CV low tier. Btw, even good CV players have bad karma like 0 or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #109 Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, El2aZeR said: Yesterday I had several matches in which my team would lemming train to one side completely. At which point I just defended the other flank by myself and wiped it. Because as a CV you can do that. 11 minutes ago, willkham said: Too much CV hate in this community, 2 CV games are already toxic. If they're 2CV in a game at least try to make one of the CV low tier. Btw, even good CV players have bad karma like 0 or something. Love you too Willkham. See above why people dislike CVs. Personally I find the semi-perma-spot almost as annoying as the inability to defend against CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willkham Players 8 posts 893 battles Report post #110 Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said: Love you too Willkham. See above why people dislike CVs. Personally I find the semi-perma-spot almost as annoying as the inability to defend against CVs. I agree that a CV rework is kind of needed. eh, cannot deny that. Also, I think I already know why people dislike CV so much, they're a little unfair to play against and sometime the only thing you can do is just receive the damage... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #111 Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, willkham said: I agree that a CV rework is kind of needed. eh, cannot deny that. Also, I think I already know why people dislike CV so much, they're a little unfair to play against and sometime the only thing you can do is just receive the damage... Well we are just suffering with the rework from the start of this year so... I'd still rather be crossdropped by some pro RTS CV than whats going on now. At least AA defensive consumable had a purpose. Now there's a good chance you can pick the best tier X anti-air cruisers and still get crapped on by the CV, much less try to be of assistance to your teammates. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willkham Players 8 posts 893 battles Report post #112 Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said: Well we are just suffering with the rework from the start of this year so... I'd still rather be crossdropped by some pro RTS CV than whats going on now. At least AA defensive consumable had a purpose. Now there's a good chance you can pick the best tier X anti-air cruisers and still get crapped on by the CV, much less try to be of assistance to your teammates. As someone who played a lot of RTS I would love that. Sadly they needed to make CV boring to play (more casual), I still enjoy and play them everyday but it's not the same thing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #113 Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, willkham said: As someone who played a lot of RTS I would love that. Sadly they needed to make CV boring to play (more casual), I still enjoy and play them everyday but it's not the same thing... Very boring to play and even more boring to play against. It's insane that you can face 3 hosho's at low tiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willkham Players 8 posts 893 battles Report post #114 Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said: Very boring to play and even more boring to play against. It's insane that you can face 3 hosho's at low tiers. I've never faced 3 Hosho at low tier, but I understand. I'm really curious about submarine, maybe they could hunt CV or flank them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #115 Posted October 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, willkham said: I've never faced 3 Hosho at low tier, but I understand. I'm really curious about submarine, maybe they could hunt CV or flank them. I'm sure the CV players will be sad when the submarine sinks them about 18 minutes into the game :D 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHAR] Phayk Players 159 posts 2,578 battles Report post #116 Posted October 16, 2019 15 hours ago, Yedwy said: Well in all honesty that is true for any ship not just CVs, and pretty much any PvP game in general... Not really. Against all surface ships you have agency - you have ways to play against them. If you're playing a Japanese torpedo boat and get spotted by an enemy gunboat, you can retreat behind islands, get out of spotting range, try and torpedo them, try and dodge their shells etc. There's a lot of stuff you can do to not just get owned in that specific situation, though the gunboat has an obvious advantage. Since there is - aside from smoke - nothing you can do against getting spotted by aircraft and they can basically always hit you; if the enemy carrier is lucky enough to just happen to fly above you, you'll be spotted, dive-bombed and take a significant amount of damage. There is no manouvering you can do to dodge anything, you cannot hide behind islands, you cannot try to outdamage the aircraft (because all AA damage i passive) or outmanouver it, you cannot get unspotted because it's faster - the entire game is taken out of your hand. The outcome of that situation is entirely dependent on how well the carrier can apply their damage and whether they get lucky and find you in the first place. And that feels terrible. Same goes for BBs against Torpedo Bombers btw. Not to mention the following: Imagine you wanna equip your ship against Aircraft. So you take the Fighter over the Spotter or Def. AA fire over Hydro (you can see, I play a lot of IJN ships), but then you don't get a carrier in the enemy team. Great, now you've got one or two worthless consumables and made your ships weaker. So even if there are no carriers in your game, they still - just by having them in the matchmaking pool - make the game worse. I don't wanna bash carrier players, I can understand that playing carrier can be a lot of fun. It's such a different way to play the game. But it just takes so much fun out of the game if I have to play against them. I honestly find the beta submarines to be better designed than current carriers. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #117 Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, willkham said: I'm really curious about submarine, maybe they could hunt CV or flank them. Submarines are not only slower than CVs but they literally need to expose themselves and alert everyone to their presence to deal meaningful damage. They can also be oneshot by aircraft. So trying to hunt down a CV would be even more suicidal in a sub than it currently is with DDs. To make subs a viable CV counter either requires complete immunity to air strikes or making submarines overpowered against every other class as well. Which just speaks to how laughably broken reworked CVs are. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willkham Players 8 posts 893 battles Report post #118 Posted October 17, 2019 Late night matchmaking have the solution lmao. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IDDQD] RAYvenMP Players 816 posts 17,290 battles Report post #119 Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Which just speaks to how laughably broken reworked CVs are. all that anger and disgust towards the pixels ... and yet you keep coming back and pressing that "torture" button over and over. Do you know its a game that is suppose to entertain you, right? By voluntarily doing the same thing you hate over and over, you are either masochist or ... a hypocrite 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #120 Posted October 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said: all that anger and disgust towards the pixels ... and yet you keep coming back and pressing that "torture" button over and over. Do you know its a game that is suppose to entertain you, right? By voluntarily doing the same thing you hate over and over, you are either masochist or ... a hypocrite Oh, it entertains me alright. After all ting all over everyone without them being able to fight back in any kind of capacity is pretty fun in a way. Especially when in my eyes these people deserve it. Though I seriously doubt the people on the receiving end share my amusement. But hey, this is why I elect to all over them, not to be on. And it certainly doesn't mean I can't recognize that what I'm doing is horribly imbalanced, something that some other people here on the forums seem incapable of. I suppose that makes me a sadist tho? Is this your new angle of attack? Pretty weak even for you, but then again your previous attempts weren't particularly good either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,578 battles Report post #121 Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, willkham said: I'm really curious about submarine, maybe they could hunt CV or flank them. Bets subs could do at most arround10 knots submerged and 20 knots surfaced.... so the subs will be the slowest ships in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 61,972 battles Report post #122 Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, El2aZeR said: Oh, it entertains me alright. After all ting all over everyone without them being able to fight back in any kind of capacity is pretty fun in a way. Especially when in my eyes these people deserve it. Though I seriously doubt the people on the receiving end share my amusement. But hey, this is why I elect to all over them, not to be on. And it certainly doesn't mean I can't recognize that what I'm doing is horribly imbalanced, something that some other people here on the forums seem incapable of. I suppose that makes me a sadist tho? Is this your new angle of attack? Pretty weak even for you, but then again your previous attempts weren't particularly good either. Well if they can't fight back.... Sometimes MM fights you back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #123 Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: Well if they can't fight back.... Sometimes MM fights you back. You get inevitable losses due to bad teammates / SU enemies with every other class as well you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #124 Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: You get inevitable losses due to bad teammates / SU enemies with every other class as well you know? *sprays water at el2azer*. shush, don't be mean. Or gulag for ten months again! ’w’ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #125 Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, El2aZeR said: You get inevitable losses due to bad teammates / SU enemies with every other class as well you know? Yeah these pro CV players are disturbing my (already poor) winrate! Especially when they're on the other team and ignore all my minotaur dakka with "working as intended" cheats to bypass it :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
