Double CV games

[mtm78]

16 minutes ago, Seraduxos said:

T4 double CV´s is not a real issue, the damage output of them are so tiny that even a destroyer can survive lots of hits.

 

Only for bad/average players. Sucks when you meet actually good one's which on their own have an average which tops two bad players combined. Now imagine having two of those on the enemy team, and your CV players being baddies. 

 

See how much fun they bring? Sadly WG thinks that because average player is so bad at playing them that they are balanced. Yeah a bad player will struggle to do consistent damage to evasive ships, but that's not because of the class it's because he is a bad player. Balancing should be done based on mechanics, not on how average player is able to understand and implement them in their gameplay. 

 

While average player in enemy CV is not that bad, players are afraid and blob up ignoring to play for objectives. Even when this behavior is having a worse effect on gameplay as CV's actually dictate. As you say, avg CV dmg isn't that high, in most games you meet avg players so say it's 40k for a Hosho ( pulled out of my arse ofc ). That's still only 80k dmg per game for two ships combined. That's not a reason to totally throw away the rule book, the only real change is that destroyers can again do with more team support. BB life gotten easier, no more dev strucks for them, while cruisers and destroyers are much easier targets ( easier given amount of AA and plane reserves / replenishment ). You'd think this would make BB's play more in support of their team, sadly this hope would be in vain. 

[CptBarney]

Might have to play another 50 games with our chief tier 4 mascot

 

I reckon Tier 4 Boris da Great will be a great addition!

 

Not to mention miss vodka at tier 6 with dem mig 15's

 

But yeah tier 4 is f'ed atm, which is a shame because i wanted to play borrosque till about 50-100 games before moving on. Oh well.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

I've just begun grinding the British DD line and so far I have had nothing but 2 CV battles from tier 3 upwards. The game experience is utterly ruined by having 2 CVs able to permaspot and attack you with rockets, which CVs shouldn't even have at this tier and time period.

CVs completely control and dominate those low tier battles and as a DD you can only hope the enemy CV players are rotten potatoes with zero skill.

 

@Wargaming: Is this really how you want the low tier experience to be like; being the seal clubbers' paradise where toxic CV players are allowed to ruin the game experience for the 20 other players every single battle they play in? 

If you want to make the community toxic and ragefull at you and CV players in general this is the perfect recipy.

 

I suggest that CVs can only be played in PvP from tier 6 and up so new players and players starting on new tech lines don't have their game experience utterly ruined by seal clubbing toxic CV players.

[KillStealBoss]

On 9/4/2019 at 5:46 PM, Eagle_Six_TR said:

He still thinks Dreadnought is sealclub capable lol. I really want to see his face when his shells go over the place while planes flying above him.

So why you play it at all? 

[KillStealBoss]

On 9/4/2019 at 5:46 PM, Eagle_Six_TR said:

 

Sorry double post... Forum in mobile... 

[asalonen]

2 hours ago, Seraduxos said:

T4 double CV´s is not a real issue, the damage output of them are so tiny that even a destroyer can survive lots of hits.

Unfortunately this is just not true. The biggest single problem of the last two patches is the huge damage output of tier 4 carriers. They do about the same damage as the tier 6's that follow them, despite the small HP pool of the red team in low tiers. Hosho is particularly bad and will be nerfed slightly in 0.8.9.

 

But Langley is not that far behind: Over the past week I grinded through Langley and Ranger since I reset the USN line. Many experienced players will be doing this since they're fast grinds for Research Points. I don't see any reason why the average player wouldn't get similar results, tier for tier:

 

Spoiler

 

I can understand what WG is trying to achieve here: CV popularity slumped big time over the summer when AA was buffed, so one of the main goals of the rework was going down the toilet. So they made tier 4's easy and rewarding to play. Problem is, if the same God Mode doesn't continue in  the CV's that follow, then players stay in tier 4's to enjoy the good times. This is currently killing tiers 3 to 5, and likely turning off many new players trying to get into the game.

WG has two choices here:

1. Buff the tier 6+'s, giving them too God Mode. This spreads the damage to the game over a bigger number of tiers.
2. Nerf the tier 4's and accept that  the CV's will not be popular.

Option 2 is a lot better for the game overall, but more likely WG tries a little bit of both. Either way the rework is not really finished. And I'm also starting to accept that it cannot really meet its goals. As some of the long-time CV players have been preaching: Reworked CV's are popular only if they are OP.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

38 minutes ago, G01ngToxicCommand0 said:

I've just begun grinding the British DD line and so far I have had nothing but 2 CV battles from tier 3 upwards. The game experience is utterly ruined by having 2 CVs able to permaspot and attack you with rockets, which CVs shouldn't even have at this tier and time period.

CVs completely control and dominate those low tier battles and as a DD you can only hope the enemy CV players are rotten potatoes with zero skill.

 

@Wargaming: Is this really how you want the low tier experience to be like; being the seal clubbers' paradise where toxic CV players are allowed to ruin the game experience for the 20 other players every single battle they play in? 

If you want to make the community toxic and ragefull at you and CV players in general this is the perfect recipy.

 

I suggest that CVs can only be played in PvP from tier 6 and up so new players and players starting on new tech lines don't have their game experience utterly ruined by seal clubbing toxic CV players.

 

There is some gossip, T5 T7 T9 Cv,s are coming.

 

You are not on your own with this frustrating nonsense.

 

Give T4 useful AA might be a positive movement, I think there is zero chance of CV going out of a tier in the game, hence any ship at any tier with no ability to defend its self against aircraft, is not going to be a " positive " end user experience, which one must presume when players get educated about the issues, will effect quarter end sales figures, at War Gaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[asalonen]

7 minutes ago, 631327334013 said:

There is some gossip, T5 T7 T9 Cv,s are coming.

My gut feeling is that this is connected to the submarines coming to tiers 6, 8 and 10. CV's are supposed to be the main weapon against submarines, and possibly the odd-tier CV's can be given some special traits for anti-submarine play (more or better depth charges or whatever).

[Bear__Necessities]

36 minutes ago, asalonen said:

WG has two choices here:

1. Buff the tier 6+'s, giving them too God Mode. This spreads the damage to the game over a bigger number of tiers.
2. Nerf the tier 4's and accept that  the CV's will not be popular.

The T6 CV’s do not need ANY buff. That would just make the imbalance even worse for low tier surface ships.

 

All they have to do is revert the T4 CV’s to how they were prior to this patch.

[asalonen]

4 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

The T6 CV’s do not need ANY buff. That would just make the imbalance even worse for low tier surface ships.

Neither did the T4's, yet they still got buffed.

 

I would also just nerf the T4's, whatever it means to the CV popularity in general. The Reserach Bureau actively encourages experienced players to return to T4, which is a big part of the problem currently.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

4 minutes ago, asalonen said:

The Reserach Bureau actively encourages experienced players to return to T4, which is a big part of the problem currently.

 

It would be very interesting to see how many on an official " spread sheet " "experienced " players have reset in The Research Bureau. I suspect we will never see such, as I also suspect it is very low number say under 10% .

 

The number of Colberts in game is an indicator to such. I have not seen one in any games I have been in excluding 1 in the hands of a tester, pre release of The Ship.

 

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

On 9/4/2019 at 4:46 PM, Eagle_Six_TR said:

He still thinks Dreadnought is sealclub capable lol. I really want to see his face when his shells go over the place while planes flying above him.

Have you not ground the tech tree Brit BB, or German or any other line,don't the tech tree Brit BB of same tier out do the Dreadnought anyway?

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, Bear_Necessities said:

The T6 CV’s do not need ANY buff. That would just make the imbalance even worse for low tier surface ships.

 

All they have to do is revert the T4 CV’s to how they were prior to this patch.

Please leave the Hosho alone and buff all RN CV's,  lol.

[22cm]

Only 2? Piece of cake.

 

I have had 3-4 games with 3 CVs in each team, 1 was on tier 4, the others on tier 8. Now, that was truly fun and engaging!

[Bear__Necessities]

5 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Please leave the Hosho alone and buff all RN CV's,  lol.

Nope. Hosho needs a nerf. None of the RN CV’s need buffs. Well, maybe a slight tweak to regen time on Audacious. Maybe.

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Nope. Hosho needs a nerf. None of the RN CV’s need buffs. Well, maybe a slight tweak to regen time on Audacious. Maybe.

Implacable looks pretty bad from what i've seen, no carry potential.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Implacable looks pretty bad from what i've seen, no carry potential.

 

[Bear__Necessities]

11 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Implacable looks pretty bad from what i've seen, no carry potential.

I will argue otherwise. About to regrind her again soon.

[CptBarney]

5 minutes ago, 631327334013 said:

 

Yeah not talking about 8 months ago.

 

Current version is trash.

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Current version is trash.

 

I'm pretty sure @Sunleader is/was in the process of grinding her and found her to be pretty decent.

Wouldn't really surprise me considering the 0.8.7 adjustment.

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I'm pretty sure @Sunleader is/was in the process of grinding her and found her to be pretty decent.

Wouldn't really surprise me considering the 0.8.7 adjustment.

Dunno, when it comes to this guy who seems like a very competent cv player he doesn't find her to be decent.

 

 

Unless im wrong of course, i've never seen them impact games all too much compared to her peers.

 

I know its ranked but the next latest vid was this.

 

 

But these were a month ago so im not sure how they hold up now.

 

I've always wanted to play them but never got a good vibe for them from cc's and other peeps.

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Dunno, when it comes to this guy who seems like a very competent cv player he doesn't find her to be decent.

 

The way he plays seems mediocre at best.

There is little doubt that Implacable is the worst T8 CV. That however doesn't necessarily mean she's bad.

[CptBarney]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

The way he plays seems mediocre at best.

There is little doubt that Implacable is the worst T8 CV. That however doesn't necessarily mean she's bad.

Hmm, so if i show this game in the audacious, does that statement still stand?

 

Just wondering because if he isn't as good as you say he is i've...well wasted quite a bit of time watching him lol.

 

 

This was 2 days ago. Im still gonna go up the ijn line first doe.

[El2aZeR]

6 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Hmm, so if i show this game in the audacious, does that statement still stand?

 

Yes.

His opening moves alone make my head hurt.

[CptBarney]

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Yes.

His opening moves alone make my head hurt.

When you get shown a deep and dark truth.

 

 

halp.