Friesland: before you spend your FXP

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Well, despite all the sensible cons and pros mentioned here, I like this ship, but she is expensive. She is very different from all other DD's, and she's a challenge some may not like. I never assume I can judge a ship within the first few battles, so refunding it purely based on stats and 1 battle makes me wonder why one bought it in the first place. Just to confirm a bias?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a massive pro in it, and I don't play clan competetive and hardly any ranked so I don't care about those, but I'm getting to know her and I like she's odd. Above all: it's fun! But who cares right.

 

Also I'm known to love one trick ponies.

Spoiler

AHEMASASHIOCOUGHCOUGHCOUGHCOUGH

 

[Episparh]

@Europizza cough cough, one trick pony 

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

You had one game in it.

Bear had 6 games with poor results.

 

Bear knows she is nowhere as good as Kitakaze. 

 

You naming yourself as a good player is cute.

As you said, good players do not need spreadsheets.

And why should I go looking elsewhere when you asked only for one? I even gave you two.

 

And while the Kita is better at damage farming, she is worse at clearing a cap. Nimbleness and hydro in combination with firepower are the key points there.

3 hours ago, Mr_CVed said:

Maybe some guys got way too much free xp? Or some guys are spending their monthly wows ship budget? Who knows... 

 

The ship would be decent with 6.0km concealment, with 6.4km it is just garbage. 

And these are all unicums? No bad players with big pockets?

 

And while 6.0 km concealment would be nice, she would just murder IJN torpboats and german DD. Even US DD would have problems.

You cannot have a DD THAT dominant around the caps.

 

3 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

This is Azuma all over again and I don't like it. Seems like WG is only giving us weak ships for FXP now.

You seem to have a different definition of weak.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190831/eu_2month/average_ship.html

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And while the Kita is better at damage farming, she is worse at clearing a cap. Nimbleness and hydro in combination with firepower are the key points there.

 

Both ships need to take advantage of friendly spotting/radar. 

 

You can go rushing into caps with your 5km hydro, but then you will struggle with Friesland just like you have been struggling with Kita. 

 

[Episparh]

45 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And while 6.0 km concealment would be nice, she would just murder IJN torpboats and german DD. Even US DD would have problems.

You cannot have a DD THAT dominant around the caps.

You are not quite right here as concealment gives you ability to choose your fight. In one on one you are right, so that's why I have advised DD player's to start gaining range on Friesland as soon as they see her but then it's never a one on one and kiting away and dragging her toward your support is always superior position.

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, Episparh said:

You are not quite right here as concealment gives you ability to choose your fight. In one one one you are right, so that's why I have advised DD player's to start gaining range on Friesland as soon as they see her but then it's never a one on one and kiting away and dragging her toward your support is always superior position.

That is the problem. With a lower concealment other DD would have problems choosing a fight and that would make Friesland too dominant. Now they have enough warning.

[Episparh]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

That is the problem. With a lower concealment other DD would have problems choosing a fight and that would make Friesland too dominant. Now they have enough warning.

And not only the warning they have a speed advantage as Friesland have horrible speed for tier 9 dd... Actually it's same speed as Dmitry Donskoi. 

 

In general I will prefer Kita in my team then Friesland simply because of concealment and 12km torps - hydro is not permanent and TORPOD beats 120 mm daka daka in utility. 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Episparh said:

And not only the warning they have a speed advantage as Friesland have horrible speed for tier 9 dd... Actually it's same speed as Dmitry Donskoi. 

 

In general I will prefer Kita in my team then Friesland simply because of concealment and 12km torps - hydro is not permanent and TORPOD beats 120 mm daka daka in utility. 

As DD encountering each other do not start in pursuit position, that is hardly a problem. Especially since only the RU and FR DD are the only ones with a significant speed advantage.

https://proships.ru/stat/ships/compare,Destroyer,all,9,,/

 

Kita has trouble clearing caps. If you team does not own a cap, you lose a potential warning sign for enemy DD activity, apart from the points.

[Episparh]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

As DD encountering each other do not start in pursuit position, that is hardly a problem. Especially since only the RU and FR DD are the only ones with a significant speed advantage.

https://proships.ru/stat/ships/compare,Destroyer,all,9,,/

 

Kita has trouble clearing caps. If you team does not own a cap, you lose a potential warning sign for enemy DD activity, apart from the points.

 

Half km is more than enouth advance warning to make even U turn. 

 

It does not need to clear it but spot you + even with hydro a good spread can force you out of smoke / cap. 

 

Conclusion : Friesland is by far the worst one trick pony we have to date. And a pretty expensive one as well. 

[Redcap375]

It's not competitive. Fun would be the extent of this one or Dutch people.

 

Having crap concealment and NO TORPS, really seals the deal to me. Not a chance IMHO.

 

But any captain can do well in any ship. Played against BOTS yesterday in the Bravo and threw a winning game (we have some new players, but did us really proud).

 

I murdered in cold blood their Le Fantasque and then their lighting in my wonderful KIDD.   How did i do it when both could be better? I played to my ships strengths and not the enemies.  A lightning on hydro/smoke cooldown is toast and a Le crap without reload booster is dog meat. You pick your timings like i did.

 

You NEED to pick your timings with this ship or you will do really badly. It's not a casual ship and wont do well in the stats in say 6 months, mark my words. 

 

Chung, Kit, black and Fletcher are much better DD picks. 

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Episparh said:

Half km is more than enouth advance warning to make even U turn.

Not according to my experience.

And Friesland has more than one trick. Feel free to watch her performance.

[Yedwy]

Well its a dakka based dd, same as basically all RU up to and including T7 and all US up to and including T6 just that its in T9 where people are used to have serviceable torps even on "gunboats" (which sort of makes them hybrids really when you think about it) I still maintain there is nothing wrong with that, as for cost you get free xp by playing, it does cost a lot of it but its not that much of a cost since you get it anyway, if it needs a buff it might be a knot or two of speed and more hydro range, radar would be OP imho

[Episparh]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Not according to my experience.

And Friesland has more than one trick. Feel free to watch her performance.

And what might that be?

 

I watched plenty of those + observed some in spectacular view... 

 

It's very funny to see them chasing Kitakaze... Daka daka with one gun while the kiting ship dodges all incoming shells. 

 

 

If that's a Pan-European premium - I think that we can skip the silver one. 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Episparh said:

And what might that be?

• fleet protection
• cap contesting
• DD hunting
• fire support

[Episparh]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

fleet protection

Protection from what.. Every damn cruiser have hydro and reasonable AA... 

 

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

cap contesting

For that you need concealment and speed at that tiers. 

 

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

DD hunting

It's arguable as you can hunt DDs only if they come to you or sit in smoke without support nearby. 

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 fire support

You can hit basically only BBs or stationary targets at range and all BBs at those tiers usually are full fire prevention build. 

 

Any RU or FR dd will murder her at range. 

Ships like Smolensk, Colbert, Worcester and Minotaur can simply overwhelm your smoke without seeing you with sheer volume of fire. 

 

Is it fun - probably.

Is it flexible - no.

Does it worth 1mil free xp/60 € - maybe, only if you Dutch. 

 

P. S. With that being said... I will buy her, but only when WeeGee says that she will be gone for good. 

[ColonelPete]

• torps
• sight
• maybe a bit AA support, but I do not see Friesland there

As I said you need nimbleness, hydro and firepower for that.

And no, you do not need to wait for DD to hunt them.

 

Does that look like fire damage?

[Episparh]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

As I said you need nimbleness, hydro and firepower for that.

And no, you do not need to wait for DD to hunt them.

Nibleness with CA speed? 

Firepower... Distributed in 2 turrets.. 

 

Really? I want one of those you smoke Mate! 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

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Does that look like fire damage?

 

That looks like you put IFHE on a T9 ship with 120mm guns (meaning you don't even cross the 27mm threshold) and shot at some helpless T7 ships.

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, Episparh said:

Nibleness with CA speed? 

Firepower... Distributed in 2 turrets.. 

 

Really? I want one of those you smoke Mate! 

You should look up the difference between Nimbleness and Quickness...

And feel free to use the link I provided above.

[Episparh]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You should look up the difference between Nimbleness and Quickness...

And feel free to use the link I provided above.

Well, I do not care.. Enjoy if you like her, but don't fool others that she is awesome... Not close to good even. 

[Bear__Necessities]

Woah woah woah.... I said she's an OK ship. She is. Now. If you were to ask me to pick a T9 DD's that I had to use in a competitive format. She would not be it. That goes to Kitty, Jutland, Neustrashimy and maybe Black. 

 

What Freis and cheese has is a fun and challenging factor to her. High HIGH skill set require. I like that. I am looking forward to the challenges of using her. But SHE is no nearly as competitive compared to her T9 peers. 

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

You had one game in it.

Bear had 6 games with poor results.

*cough* decent personal results *cough* 

 

Awful WR due to low carry potential. 

[Linkaex]

21 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Well, as a TRUE DUTCHMAN you should actually wait until you get at least 50% discount...  

Waiting for WG to have a 50% off sale 

[Linkaex]

3 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

It's not competitive. Fun would be the extent of this one or Dutch people.

 

Having crap concealment and NO TORPS, really seals the deal to me. Not a chance IMHO.

 

But any captain can do well in any ship. Played against BOTS yesterday in the Bravo and threw a winning game (we have some new players, but did us really proud).

 

I murdered in cold blood their Le Fantasque and then their lighting in my wonderful KIDD.   How did i do it when both could be better? I played to my ships strengths and not the enemies.  A lightning on hydro/smoke cooldown is toast and a Le crap without reload booster is dog meat. You pick your timings like i did.

 

You NEED to pick your timings with this ship or you will do really badly. It's not a casual ship and wont do well in the stats in say 6 months, mark my words. 

 

Chung, Kit, black and Fletcher are much better DD picks. 

 

 

 

 

Yes this. Look I'm Dutch so I'm somewhat biased. Okay I'm biased. 

But it is not a good competitive ship imho.

I think if you're not Dutch, a collector, have much money or free XP to spend this ship should not be on your priority list. 

I tend to do not well in DD's, unless it is really powerful like the T61.  So me talking about her lacking of carrying potential is a dead beat anyway. But I'm Dutch with money to spend so it is a no brainer for me. I also like the Khaba so I already knew I liked the daka daka. 

 

She is a fun meme ship. If you have the money, free xp or are a collector (or obliviously Dutch) go get her. It is not like she is unplayable or not fun. 

[KillStealBoss]

TBH I’m enjoying it, has its own shortcomings but - as Asashio - is ok for me. It is situational though. Needs minimap awareness and good commander from Błyskawica .