Friesland: before you spend your FXP

[Corvi]

2 hours ago, Procrastes said:

How do you handle her relatively large detection radius when duelling a more stealthy destroyer?

 

You dont, you stay away from enemy DD. That ship is so fragile, everything murders it.

[FallenOrchid]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

And that is called an example. Maybe you heard of that concept?

Sure and others will very likely have examples of matches with Friesland with very poor results and they will also not be very relevant.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, FallenOrchid said:

Sure and others will very likely have examples of matches with Friesland with very poor results and they will also not be very relevant.

Then why do you not complain to people who say she is bad? Some did not even play her at all.

[genosse]

Danke Helmut! I think I will wait for now.

[Procrastes]

3 hours ago, Corvi said:

 

You dont, you stay away from enemy DD. That ship is so fragile, everything murders it.

Gee. I thought enemy destroyers (and presumably submarines) were what the Friesland was supposed to hunt... what else can you hope to reliably sink, with those pew pew guns? 

(Honest question!)

[Linkaex]

I don't care, she is Dutch. Even if it would be the worst ship ever I will play it everyday 

[Shaka_D]

Thanks OP, so WG churned out another piece of crud and are trying to sell it to us with hyperbole. You helped me decide not to get it.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Well it is same with Azuma. 

 

You can make it work if you want to and some people like it. 

But if you compare it with its peers, it is just not competitive. 

[The_Gathering]

At one million free XP it is imo way overpriced.

 

A DD with no torps - good luck controlling the engagement vs cruisers/battleships around caps, I say. Any competent cruiser player would just bow in towards you and you're out of options.

 

[Merlin851526]

4 hours ago, FallenOrchid said:

No but you backed it up with just one match.

Trust me you are wasting your time. You would get a more cogent argument out of a used tea bag. Anyway back on topic. To be honest it looks like a hassle coupled with a burden. No doubt some will pick it up (I won't that's for sure) although it's early days yet, I've seen nothing that would make me fear it over any silver DD.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Linkaex said:

I don't care, she is Dutch. Even if it would be the worst ship ever I will play it everyday 

I consider it a reminder that when you skimp too much, well this is what you get...

I'm Dutch as well but I think if it were possible the Dutch governement would buy ships at Aldi supermarket (when on sale).

Looks nice though. But should AT LEAST come with gaudy Frisian flag camo for that price. 

 

[Corvi]

3 hours ago, Procrastes said:

Gee. I thought enemy destroyers (and presumably submarines) were what the Friesland was supposed to hunt... what else can you hope to reliably sink, with those pew pew guns? 

(Honest question!)

 

Friesland is a boat that can hide behind islands, spam HE and not be raped by CV. Thats all. You cant confront any ship 1 on 1. A shiratsuyu wins a gunfight 1vs1 against Friesland.

[Linkaex]

23 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I consider it a reminder that when you skimp too much, well this is what you get...

I'm Dutch as well but I think if it were possible the Dutch governement would buy ships at Aldi supermarket (when on sale).

Looks nice though. But should AT LEAST come with gaudy Frisian flag camo for that price. 

 

As soon she was announced a few month's back. I was already putting money aside for her just in case she would go up for sale ;) 

[BLUB__BLUB]

12 minutes ago, Linkaex said:

As soon she was announced a few month's back. I was already putting money aside for her just in case she would go up for sale ;) 

Well, as a TRUE DUTCHMAN you should actually wait until you get at least 50% discount...  

[Shaka_D]

Just watched two players duke it out, both of similar skill. One guy in a tier 7 french dd (Vauq..) took on a Friesland in a straight out gunfight. Tier 7 frenchy almost wiped the Friesland out in a few salvos. Friesland narrowly won with a couple of thousand hp left when it killed the frenchy. Both started at full health. Not good for the Friesland at all. I suspect it's rubbish and not even worth half the free xp they're selling it for. Shell velocity of the Fries looked really slow and took ages to cover the max distance to target.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

<- Dutch and 1 mil FXP poorer 

 

 

Spoiler

WG you bastards 

 

[Corvi]

Resume after 30 games: This ship is absolte trash. DO NOT BUY !

 

Struggling hard to have a win rate above 30%. You cannot fight DD, you cannot fight Cruiser, you cannot fight BBs. Every single ship can push you out and just rape you whereever you are. You have nothing to stop an attack at all. Tier 7 DD outgun it. 0 carry potential. Once they start to hunt you, you have no chance.

 

Also, the ship takes damage like crazy. Every  hit appears to be full dmg and it catches fire like tinder. HP is crazy low, Tier 7 levels. No idea whats wrong with this, but im amazed it got through testing in this stage.

 

Hands downt he worst T9 DD in the game. 

[ColonelPete]

Maybe you should not spam the battle button all day.

After a certain number of battles, especially when they go badly, your performance goes in the gutter.

[Corvi]

25 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Maybe you should not spam the battle button all day.

After a certain number of battles, especially when they go badly, your performance goes in the gutter.

 

Weirdly with other ships i can confidently reacha  60%+ win rate even on weekends with full potato teams. With this ships its impossible. Its just bad.

[Hanse77SWE]

I tried her out in Co-Op this moring. Kinda fun.

[Chaos_Umbra]

Dunno what everyone is on about seems strong to me so far, first game 113k damage (loss, 50% of team were SPESHULL), second game 89k and 3 caps top of team win sure you do not charge down DDs unless they are hiding in smoke but to be fair the amount of Daka this thing puts out any DD it does end up fighting will most likely be dead rather quickly...

[Bear__Necessities]

3 hours ago, Corvi said:

A shiratsuyu wins a gunfight 1vs1 against Friesland.

No, No it does not. Friesland in a 1 V 1 murders a lot of DD's outright. I've already done it. What it does not have is Alpha strike and carry potential, hence it's so team reliant. I've only played 6 games but I've had no trouble killing DD's, I have had trouble with BB's, it takes ages and if you have no support or its end game... well.... unlucky try again next game. 

[Ze_Reckless]

Friesland is a fun ship. If you like Akizuki and Harugumo you will like her. The daka is real but the hull is flimsy so you need to position yourself extremely carefully. The smoke + hydro makes it easy but you can also daka in the open if you do it right. Can't wait to get a 19 pointer for AFT just like on my IJN daka boats (currently 13 pointer with CE and BFT). Tip for DD fights: You want an unfair fight. If you can't get it don't engage.

In 5 battles I had only one opportunity to test the AA but boy was it an opportunity. A Haku was determined to drop me with all the rockets and AP dive bombers he had. I have no idea what his plan was.

 

 

So, good news! Against 95% of CV players your AA is good enough. (Damage was lower than my 80k average so far because of cyclone.)

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

This is anecdotal, obviously, but it did make me rethink buying her (with free xp). 

 

Was in my Iowa and saw the Friesland spotted about 11 km away. I thought, hey why not. So I rushed her.

 

The driver was possibly not the best, but still. I got a few rounds in at 11 km, closed. He tried to turn behind a low island, good for my arcs. Two full HE salvos, dead.

 

It was horrible, since I wanted to get her...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

To clarify: 

 

A good player can utilize the DPM and fire starting capability, inspite of the disadvantages that come with it. 

 

A division can set up radar-ambushes together. 

 

The ship can work well. 

Kitakaze is just much better.