Friesland: before you spend your FXP

[Redcap375]

9 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

As far as I can see almost all stats are dropping (except the damage - but that is not usually game winning stat)...

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

Called it...

 

That is very poor for a new released ship. Very poor. 

 

I think it will equal the Fletcher in time regarding WR.  And the Fletcher is one of the best tier 9 DD's there is, it's just been saturated by crappy players since released (4,210,095 games, wow), the Friesland has had less exposure to those players as much and it's nearly identical.

 

It's all to do with not having a clue how to use the ship.

 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Honestly i'd expect the Frieslands WR to go up again rather than down, but of course i can be wrong. 
People need to get used to it i think. 

 

Also, its an interesting ship to a lot of Dutch players Now i'm Dutch, and i don't reckon myself to be a bad player- but in general Dutch players are - accross the board- well below average in performance. 
Add to that that the Friesland is the first free XP/ coal premium DD and you have a recipe for a DD that won't perform too great, even if its a good ship

[Redcap375]

18 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I'll go with CE instead then, seems like a valid choice especially since i'm working towards a full-gun build. Should be fun when running into enemy DDs

 

One of the reasons the WR is shocking.  Because people arnt using CE.  Where did this no CE come from? Which streamer encouraged this one...

[Redcap375]

13 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Honestly i'd expect the Frieslands WR to go up again rather than down, but of course i can be wrong. 

 

Already going down.

 

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People need to get used to it i think. 

 

Massively. 

 

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Also, its an interesting ship to a lot of Dutch players Now i'm Dutch, and i don't reckon myself to be a bad player- but in general Dutch players are - accross the board- well below average in performance.

 

Because they are crazy. Subjective 

 

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Add to that that the Friesland is the first free XP/ coal premium DD and you have a recipe for a DD that won't perform too great, even if its a good ship

 

People don't have a clue how to play their ships. They fail to realise that it's a support ship. 

 

I have never seen one Friesland supporting another DD yet. They either go into the cap and don't come out alive (if they make it into the cap at all) or they sit at the back of the map spamming HE that cant even pen a cruiser. 

 

They need to figure out that after wiping the floor with the DD's, THEN they have free raine to spot, cap and do all the wonderful things dedicated DD's do. 

[The_Gathering]

It's not just the owners getting used to the Friesland; it's the players encountering it in the enemy team getting informed on its strengths and weaknesses as well.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

7 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Already going down.

 

 

Massively. 

 

 

Because they are crazy. Subjective 

 

 

People don't have a clue how to play their ships. They fail to realise that it's a support ship. 

 

I have never seen one Friesland supporting another DD yet. They either go into the cap and don't come out alive (if they make it into the cap at all) or they sit at the back of the map spamming HE that cant even pen a cruiser. 

 

They need to figure out that after wiping the floor with the DD's, THEN they have free raine to spot, cap and do all the wonderful things dedicated DD's do. 

Well, i said im expecting the WR to eventually go up again. So that it drops now, but will stabilize around a higher level than that its currently at. 

Because people need to get used to how to play this ship, as long as they dont they'll play it badly, when they do its a good ship. 

 

Personally i dont care about global statistics though, i like the ship :)

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Well, i said im expecting the WR to eventually go up again. So that it drops now, but will stabilize around a higher level than that its currently at. 

Because people need to get used to how to play this ship, as long as they dont they'll play it badly, when they do its a good ship. 

 

Personally i dont care about global statistics though, i like the ship :)

 

Nor do I mate. If you like a ship then you like it, regardless of stats, totally agree. 

 

But i think it will go DOWN further a bit then stabilise. Not go up.

 

I fear the more people have it, the further down it will go with this one. Look at the Fletcher and that's a great DD.  The Freidland isn't as strong so will suffer more. Subs coming into the game might change that tho with an increase potentially. But people are getting more and more used to playing this ship.

 

 

 

[Redcap375]

2 hours ago, thoso1973 said:

It's not just the owners getting used to the Friesland; it's the players encountering it in the enemy team getting informed on its strengths and weaknesses as well.

 

Precisely. 

 

Everyone knows that this thing doesn't have torps and poor concealment. 

 

I don't know about everyone else but that will always give me a massive boost knowing that when I'm engaging one. He has zero alpha damage to screw me up.

 

Look chaps, lets stop bashing this ship shall we.  It's good at what it does and it's a fun and balanced ship.  Lets see past the stats on this one.  it's not a OP premium so we should all be thankful. 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

26 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

I don't know about everyone else but that will always give me a massive boost knowing that when I engaging one. 

 

I hope so, it's exactly that thinking that makes my Assashio my no1 and favorite DD ever even in dealing with high tier DD's. Most players are unable to think beyond the obvious, both in the ship and fighting it. I'm not sure yet if the Friesland can hold up to that but we'll see. In the mean time I'll be looking forward to any buffs or sideway changes. I'm fine with anything really. What I'm suspecting though is that the current balance is based on additional functionality which will only get unlocked when subs arrive.

 

Edit: let's not ignore the stats please. If a majority of the player base either can't handle the ship or it actually turns out too weak once everyone knows how to fight it's by all means buff the hell out of it.

[piet11111]

This is just a coordinated effort to get a stealth buff.

[Redcap375]

2 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

This is just a coordinated effort to get a stealth buff.

 

Nope. A health boost IMHO.

 

It has to come to peace with the high concealment.  It's the price it pays for being a lite light cruiser. 

[Yedwy]

Well she hardly meets haragumo level of dakka and hara has better concealment...

[Gebe_]

2 hours ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Now i'm Dutch, and i don't reckon myself to be a bad player- but in general Dutch players are - accross the board- well below average in

What a generalization, dude... I can name you a bunch of great Dutch players. No bias.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

9 minutes ago, Gebe_ said:

What a generalization, dude... I can name you a bunch of great Dutch players. No bias.

[piet11111]

1 hour ago, Gebe_ said:

What a generalization, dude... I can name you a bunch of great Dutch players. No bias.

 

Thanks for the compliment but i dont need an ego boost 

[Procrastes]

3 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

One of the reasons the WR is shocking.  Because people arnt using CE.  Where did this no CE come from? Which streamer encouraged this one...

At a guess, some unscrupulous enterprising CL player.

 

Whoever it is, do you think we can get him or her to get the message "STOP USING RADIO LOCATION" accepted by the community?

I'd totally join a crowdfunding of that effort, yes I would...

[Bear__Necessities]

Awful ship, truly awful. Can't perform any DD roles, can't cap, can't kill other DD's, can't spot or defend.... Sigh.... and IS only useful in a division, it's not a ship that you can play solo. 

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 5 Minuten, Bear_Necessities sagte:

Awful ship, truly awful. Can't perform any DD roles, can't cap, can't kill other DD's, can't spot or defend.... Sigh.... and IS only useful in a division, it's not a ship that you can play solo. 

 

 

These Screenshots just show how much you underperformed. 

You call THAT GOOD? 

Obviously you are a yellow submarine

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[FukushuNL]

14 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Wow, quite a wall of text. Hope you don't mind if I just stick with your main message. I agree with everything you wrote. I even think a Friesland will do fine contesting caps. My point, or rather one aspect of my point, was that Friesland will probably not be played according to its capabilities by most players, but according to the cliché attached to it, being the fire spammer. I think the decreasing winrate originates in players farming repairable BB-damage, where they could easily have taken on a DD, eliminated it, got out of it alive although at low hp and then fallen back to then farm BBs using the even faster spam, as AR kicks in. That is one side to the Fries, what the players do.

 

Another side is that Fries even exists. Yes, any team can and should take its line-up as given. Don't force a ship into a role it's not designed to fulfil or it will just vanish early. But that perspective - "the ship is given" - is only valid as you have chosen the ship and are in battle now. Prior to that, you, the player should reflect if you need that ship at all. My sentiment is that we have too many types of DDs that don't excel at scouting and contesting caps in the game as it is. I think the game didn't need the Friesland. Prior to your decision whether to buy the Friesland, was another decision, made by WG, to introduce that ship into the game. They shouldn't have done it. We already see too much bad and selfish play and the Friesland is not a bold statement to go for the objective. WG has wasted the opportunity to make such a statement. So now the ball is lying at your feet and you must decide, whether you want that ship. Not you as "you", rather the you as whoever reads that and tries to make up his mind.

 

So if you think you can play a Friesland in an integral role as part of a team, please do so by any means. Just please don't give into the temptation to be another fire-spammer 5 - 8 km behind the cap, pressing the F7-butten repeatedly, cause you cannot see a damn thing, while a wall of torps is flooding every ship around you.

Yeah, got a bit carried away xD But discussing Friesland with you (amongst others) really makes me want to play the ship now xD I really want to experience the ship, comparing is personally to the rest of the destroyer experiences I had and discuss the ship properly with you guys. Still 5 months to go...

[HMS_Kilinowski]

3 minutes ago, FukushuNL said:

Yeah, got a bit carried away xD But discussing Friesland with you (amongst others) really makes me want to play the ship now xD I really want to experience the ship, comparing is personally to the rest of the destroyer experiences I had and discuss the ship properly with you guys. Still 5 months to go...

I could get it in a minute if I wanted to. i saved 2M FXP. The problem is that it's not that easy anymore to decide what ships you want. In the beginning was the Missouri, a no-brainer that I missed. Then came Nelson, Musashi and Kronshtadt, all decent ships. They give less credits than the Missi, still I would classify them as no-brainers. Nelson will farm you Arsonist, Dreadnought and sometimes even Witherer medals, Musashi is a Yamato at T9 with a slight nerf and Kronshtadt is a very hard hitting, well-armored and mobile heavy cruiser. All those ships were ships you could get as soon as you had the FXP for them, without hesitation.

 

Now we got Azuma, Alaska and Friesland. Each ship is interesting in its own way, but do you need them? Are they no-brainers? No. They are not those ships you wait for and save yor FXP in advance. They are the ships you save your DXP and think about waiting, if a better ship succeeds them. That is a bit sad, isn't it? The Missouri once was that reward, that ship everybody wanted, the ice-cream we knew we would get if we all eat our spinace.

 

Frankly, none of the currently available ships strikes me as thrilling. It's come to the point, where I can't discuss the Fries, without discussing the alternative picks. A DD without torps? Why not just pick the Kita, have almost the same dpm and still have six Shima torps plus a reload booster to punish some straight line sailing?

A heavy cruiser with 25mm deck armor? I loved the Yoshino, but the nerfs on Azuma are pretty substantial. Slower reload, less range, no torps. And on top of that 25mm armor all over. Please tell me it will be part of the IFHE-rework and get better center armor then. Otherwise even Gneisenau can do the Yamato thing to you all day long.

A heavy radar cruiser with american shell trajectories? Might sound like a decent idea. But I sucked in the Buffalo, I suck in the DM, I even suck in the Stalingrad. So Alaska might not be for me.

 

What am I gonna do with 2M FXP?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

The Friesland was something i saved my FXP for, because she had 2 traits that I liked: being an fxp destroyer instead of the usual battleship or battlecruiser, and being an unusual destroyer at that. For me it cant get any better then that. Same reason why I saved my coal for the Smol.

[Corvi]

5 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Awful ship, truly awful. Can't perform any DD roles, can't cap, can't kill other DD's, can't spot or defend.... Sigh.... and IS only useful in a division, it's not a ship that you can play solo. 

 

 

 

Man those Tier 7 games are sure hard to play in with a Tier 9 Destroyer :P

 

(gotta say at this point that the game would have been lost if i wouldnt have had a teammate that was doing all the spotting for me in late-game)

[valrond]

1 hour ago, Europizza said:

The Friesland was something i saved my FXP for, because she had 2 traits that I liked: being an fxp destroyer instead of the usual battleship or battlecruiser, and being an unusual destroyer at that. For me it cant get any better then that. Same reason why I saved my coal for the Smol.

Ok, you convinced me. I got it. I had all of the other freexp ships anyway. I'm going to give it a shot.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, valrond said:

Ok, you convinced me. I got it. I had all of the other freexp ships anyway. I'm going to give it a shot.

Oooh. Well enjoy buddy, but bewarned, she takes getting used to. I've not died as frequently in any other DD when I first got it. It took me about 3 to 5 battles to get an idea what to do, and i've blundered into stupid situations with her. Be patient, watch the battle, and help wherever you can. It's the ship for opportunists.

[valrond]

12 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Oooh. Well enjoy buddy, but bewarned, she takes getting used to. I've not died as frequently in any other DD when I first got it. It took me about 3 to 5 battles to get an idea what to do, and i've blundered into stupid situations with her. Be patient, watch the battle, and help wherever you can. It's the ship for opportunists.

Thanks for the advice, I've been following this thread to get an idea on how to play it. It is still hard. Just the first game, I was lucky to have two Kageros on my team, so I followed one and supported him, got the planes away from him (this thing murders tier 8 planes) and helped him cap and push an Akizuki away from the cap, then the team flank collapsed and I was faced with an FdG in close range that raped me. I missed the torps there. But I got a good deal of damage with the fires. One of the Kageros crapped on me cause I didn't kill any DDs and told me the Friesland was the best DD hunter.