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Friesland: before you spend your FXP

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Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Before you spend your FXP be aware that the ship has a combination of attributes that will make it hard to be competitive compared to all the great T9 DDs out there.

Not all ships have to be highly competitive. Friesland is fun to play, very very fun to play and that's enough for me. Might be enough for some other players.

 

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

It has a high detection (cannot get below 7.1 km)

Lowest detection is 6.4 Please don't spread misinformation.

 

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

It does not have great ballistics.

Yes, shells are floaty but it has 3rd highest DPM out of all DDs. I've never seen DDs melt so fast in my life. You will rarely be outgunned in a 1v1 DD fight.

 

3 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

So what is this ship good for?

It's a fun little ship with amazing DPM, great AA and it's free (considering how easily Free xp is grindable). It excels at fighting DDs, if they make a mistake of being caught, and we all know how many below average DD players are there. You WILL caught other DDs, trust me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are two sides to a coin and just cos you don't find it fun doesn't mean someone else won't. I would say:  if you got millions of Free xp lying around than go for it. It's worth it. If you struggle for free xp, maybe skip it, or wait for a proper review before deciding.

 

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Thanks for this Helmut. I was really looking forward to this ship but that collection of cons means I will probably pass.

 

Does anyone know if the KM supercruiser is for free XP?

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4 minutes ago, Mr_Tayto said:

Does anyone know if the KM supercruiser is for free XP

Most likely, since Kronshtad, Alaska, Azuma were all FXP, Siegfrid beying the same class sugests it will be sold for the same curency, maybe after this, so im passing this for KM and RM.

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You should have added "has laughable AA after 0.8.7" at 434 total dps.

 

To put this into perspective:

Colorado: 461 dps

Monarch: 513 dps

Cleve: 549 dps

Hipper: 420 dps

 

So yeah, it's not even good for divisioning with a CV.

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15 minutes ago, quickr said:

It's a fun little ship with amazing DPM, great AA and it's free (considering how easily Free xp is grindable). It excels at fighting DDs, if they make a mistake of being caught, and we all know how many below average DD players are there. You WILL caught other DDs, trust me.

Yes, it is easy do caught below avarege DDs. But in what ship it is not easy do caught below average DDs?

 

I do belive you,it is fun. But it is fun, because it is more challanging than others.If something is challanging do achive, reward for it is all that much sweeter. Just like Colorado or pre-buff Yorck and Hipper where extremly fun and could be played well. But realistically, they are all noticably weaker than their tier mates.

 

It can be reccomended for players looking for a challange. But not really for general public.

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18 minutes ago, quickr said:

Not all ships have to be highly competitive. Friesland is fun to play, very very fun to play and that's enough for me. Might be enough for some other players.

 

Maybe, but people need to know before spending their FXP.

 

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Lowest detection is 6.4 Please don't spread misinformation.

 

Took that from proships.ru when wirting the post, but that site is bugged anyway.

Concealment is still bad.

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34 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Before you spend your FXP be aware that the ship has a combination of attributes that will make it hard to be competitive compared to all the great T9 DDs out there.

 

It has a high detection, but unlike other DDs with high detection, it does not have the tools to make it work:

 

  • It does not have great ballistics.
    • That means you can't just fight effectively at range like a French or RU DDs.

 

  • It does not have high HP or a Heal.
  • It does not have high speed.
    • That means you struggle to gun-boat in the open water like French or RU DDs.

 

The problem is that you have to get close, but you are helplessly outspotted, as your Hydro is only 5 km and you do not have a Radar.

You can try to shadow a friendly DD, but unlike French or RU DDs you struggle to fight at range.

 

You are basically like a Kitakaze with a little more DPM but without the high HE penetration, even missing torpedoes and concealment.

 

So what is this ship good for?

Division with a T8 CV. That's it.

 

Thanks for the info bit. I had suspected as much but nice to have a confirmation anyways. Also a problem, any Cruiser or BB can just rush her in her smoke because they do not have to fear getting torp'd. That is my main reason for deciding not to get her. Well, for now at the least. :cap_old:

 

For now, she seems to suffer from the "Mikasa-paradox". IE. in order to be effective, you have to sneak in close to within 3km of your opponent undetected... Well, at the least Friesland has speed on her side, but that's about it. I see her very much as an Escort DD. very good, if you can join-in and escort other DD into cap zones, good knife fighter yes, but will suffer much, if she has to act alone.:cap_hmm:

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12 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

You should have added "has laughable AA after 0.8.7" at 434 total dps.

 

To put this into perspective:

Colorado: 461 dps

Monarch: 513 dps

Cleve: 549 dps

Hipper: 420 dps

 

So yeah, it's not even good for divisioning with a CV.

 

For a T9 DD that is still high though, which is why I can see this ship together with a T8 CV.

But that's it really.

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I don't think i'll ever going to get her, but for those who might get her or have her, i would like to suggest this build.

 

Captain skills
 - Preventive Maintenance 
 - Expert Marksman 
 - Basic Firing Training 
 - Concealment Expert  or Radio Location
 - Superintendent 
 - Survivability Expert 
 - Last Stand 
 - Priority Target 

 

Upgrades
 - Slot 1 - Main Armaments Modification 1
 - Slot 2 - Steering Gears Modification 1 or Propulsion Modification 1
 - Slot 3 - Aiming Systems Modification 1 
 - Slot 4 - Propulsion Modification 2
 - Slot 5 - Concealment System Modification 1
 - Slot 6 - Main Battery Modification 3

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1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

For a DD that is still though, which is why I can see this ship together with a T8 CV.

But that's it really.

 

Which says more about the sorry state of AA post 0.8.7 rather than Friesland's AA power.

And Friesland is fat. She presents a bigger target profile than even Grozovoi which already eats 10k rocket salvos on a regular basis.

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47 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

The problem is that you have to get close, but you are helplessly outspotted, as your Hydro is only 5 km and you do not have a Radar.

 

Which is a good thing. T9 radar is lasting for 22sec so full gunboat spec Friesland, for that time, theoretically can deal 105k of damage. For example Black and Chung Mu, full gunboat spec, have 72k DPM. That is almost 50% more DPM for radar duration. Friesland would be brutal vs DDs if it had radar, with that DPM and at that distance she would be able to kill (almost) any DD just for duration of the radar.

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33 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Thanks for the info bit. I had suspected as much but nice to have a confirmation anyways. Also a problem, any Cruiser or BB can just rush her in her smoke because they do not have to fear getting torp'd. That is my main reason for deciding not to get her. Well, for now at the least. :cap_old:

This is a very BIG weakness, as it prevent that role of area denial tipical of DD. Ther is a very nice video of Aerroon that show this. 

 

As Helmut_Khol stated above, better to know what you are buying, then ofc anyone has its taste and preferences. 

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Trash ship just like kronshtadt! Ship that cant do damage is garbage, get daring, jutland, kitakaze dont waste free xp on friesland unless you are a collector!

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53 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

You should have added "has laughable AA after 0.8.7" at 434 total dps.

 

To put this into perspective:

Colorado: 461 dps

Monarch: 513 dps

Cleve: 549 dps

Hipper: 420 dps

 

So yeah, it's not even good for divisioning with a CV.

 

 

T5 US BB Texas

DPS 665

 

 

 

Flak

 

colorado 3

monarch 4

cleveland 5

hipper 6

friesland 6

Texas 0

 

unless were saying the Texas a ship whosee AA i think is widely accepted to have been gutted in the last change is now the most formidable AA in the game , then we might have to consider constant AA dps does nothing more than put a clock on the attack and apply attrition. the real danger is in putting up enough flak to make it unavoidable. 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Padds01 said:

T5 US BB Texas

DPS 665

Actual dps is 246.75+235.2=481.95, because "accuracy" modifier is a thing:Smile_smile:

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1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

you do not have a Radar.

lol

 

advice Wargaming:

>introduce a ship with two huge radar aerials

>do not give a mentioned ship a radar consumable

 

seems legit

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

I leave this here - maybe this makes sense to someone

 

WG-EU:

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WG-RU:

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10 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

I leave this here - maybe this makes sense to someone

 

WG-EU:

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WG-RU:

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not only better prices but also chance of interaction with developers... whats not to like? Ah yes, account reroll because sure as hell WG won't migrate yours:cap_book:

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1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

So what is this ship good for?

good for torps free map

 

every body have it  (...now , in few weeks nobody, like Khabarovsk) ,  and we enjoy torp free map :))

 

 

Friesland is nice training target..shoot from smoke, and you can fearless go direct in him..no torps problems.

 

( but once there in smoke will be beside him a standard no shooting DD and i will get that torps :DD)

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Hard pass. Nerfed AA (the main selling point) vs tested iteration plus no torps, poor pen, poor ballistics and concealment.

It is too many cons in one boat for me.

Shame as I was looking for another good T9 DD, but she is not good in this shape. Pretty much any silver DD is a better pick.

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50 minutes ago, Padds01 said:

the real danger is in putting up enough flak to make it unavoidable. 

 

Flak can be easily dodged and as such plays no role in AA defense whatsoever. There is no such thing as unavoidable flak due to the way it aims.

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Vor 2 Minuten, DariusJacek sagte:

Hard pass. Nerfed AA (the main selling point) vs tested iteration plus no torps, poor pen, poor ballistics and concealment.

It is too many cons in one boat for me.

Shame as I was looking for another good T9 DD, but she is not good in this shape. Pretty much any silver DD is a better pick.

Even the nerfed AA is still awesome.

 

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