[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #51 Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: care to try and explain why I'm wrong then @SmashUrr rather than pointlessly down vote? I mean I'll be waiting for an expert like you to tell me why it's not the strongest DD pretty much in its tier.... No You work it out Bye ( I am sure I muted you 3 weeks ago ??? why am I seeing this ? ) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #52 Posted September 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, TohtoriP said: Thank you for your response. you are welcome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,332 battles Report post #53 Posted September 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, SmashUrr said: No You work it out Bye ( I am sure I muted you 3 weeks ago ??? why am I see this ? It's soooooooooooooooooooooooo weak!! And of course you'd mute someone who calls out your clear and apparent BS. Because muting people on open forums doesn't create little echo chambers at all.... nope. Can't be wrong if you can't see being called out. Top Logic. Enjoy you're insular bubble. The majority of us will use the open forum, openly. TTFN, can't wait to sink you :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OMPG] TohtoriP Beta Tester 408 posts 7,516 battles Report post #54 Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, squalus77 said: Having more than 1000 of each flag i don;t see any economic reason to play ranked Economic reasons for me comparing to just playing random battles (excluding normal signal flags): 500k easy credits locked behind one star (basically this is free for everyone just win one game and quit after that if one does not like it). 20 special signal flags fairly easily gotten by playing 10000coal when ranking out Shorter games that give you actually more xp. But of course everybody can decide themselves what to play. However saying that ranked sprints are just consuming more resources than they give is not true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[QTAZ] _FCK_PTN_ Beta Tester 597 posts Report post #55 Posted September 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, TohtoriP said: However saying that ranked sprints are just consuming more resources than they give is not true. Ok, you're right, I should have checked it properly, yet they are not giving much more that you earn so similar to the randoms so it'll just be the matter of toxicity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #56 Posted September 4, 2019 T 61 is awesome, well when you watch Flamu play her, in my hands, as in any other DD, well sometimes I get lucky Surprised non has mentioned the Dunkerque or the Normandie, I like both ships for any T6 event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[QTAZ] _FCK_PTN_ Beta Tester 597 posts Report post #57 Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: Surprised non has mentioned the Dunkerque or the Normandie Normandie is a decent ship but Izmail seems to be much better at the moment Dunkerque... well, she is a nice ship but we have a nice words for ships with her accuracy - manure spreader (rozrzutnik gnoju in Polish) 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #58 Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, squalus77 said: Normandie is a decent ship but Izmail seems to be much better at the moment Dunkerque... well, she is a nice ship but we have a nice words for ships with her accuracy - manure spreader (rozrzutnik gnoju in Polish) Maybe, just maybe i may learn to love some other t6 BB's, b a miracle if one of them was British, lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,779 battles Report post #59 Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: T-61 over-rated? You’re having a bubble bath aren’t ya? It's good but it's not great, especially now we have French DDs which can bully it with speed and DPM. If teams let it roam it can be a huge problem, but if you focus on spotting and killing it first up it dies fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,332 battles Report post #60 Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: It's good but it's not great, especially now we have French DDs which can bully it with speed and DPM. If teams let it roam it can be a huge problem, but if you focus on spotting and killing it first up it dies fast. T-61 has all the tools to beat it same tier counter part Guepard. I don't expect much from that ship this ranked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #61 Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said: T-61 has all the tools to beat it same tier counter part Guepard. I don't expect much from that ship this ranked. Lol my clan leader loves his french DD's, he may want a word with you Talking of which, maybe the Aigle will shine, got smoke too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #62 Posted September 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: T 61 is awesome, well when you watch Flamu play her, in my hands, as in any other DD, well sometimes I get lucky Surprised non has mentioned the Dunkerque or the Normandie, I like both ships for any T6 event. They have some where in the thread I think you are right Aigle is a dark horse 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[QTAZ] _FCK_PTN_ Beta Tester 597 posts Report post #63 Posted September 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, SmashUrr said: I think you are right Aigle is a dark horse I wouldn't say that - her torps are much slower and she lacks reload booster for main guns She will definitely be played but i think that no more than other dds except for T61 I'd also say that Icarus and Gallant might be interesting choices in the dds department, especially the former one with hydro and nice camo However, T61 seems to be the best pick from a bunch of good ships anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #64 Posted September 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said: T 61 is awesome, well when you watch Flamu play her, in my hands, as in any other DD, well sometimes I get lucky I hear you. Flamu could carry his team to victory in the Kon Tiki. Me? If I sail out in the T-61, I just might carry off a draw against Flamu - if he sits in the Kon Tiki. On a more serious note, and hoping I'm not stepping into a pie fight: The T-61 is probably the most versatile and well-rounded destroyer at her tier. That doesn't mean she's also the strongest in any given situation. She has to be played carefully and with great skill - or more than I possess, anyway - in order to truly shine. That said, she's an excellent ship, and fairly easy to do well in if you survive the opening phase of the battle. I'd expect her to be a solid choice in any tier VI-only environment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #65 Posted September 4, 2019 Does the Gue'pard not out gun the T-61 + they both have similar torps? so your swapping static smoke play for speed and movement ? Not sure which, play is the best in Ranked team dependant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PONYS] Randschwimmer Players 3,934 posts 26,205 battles Report post #66 Posted September 4, 2019 I'd love to play my IJN torp boats again... as long as there aren't too many CV around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #67 Posted September 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Randschwimmer said: I'd love to play my IJN torp boats again... as long as there aren't too many CV around. And there is the number 1 talking point, IJN dd,s and how many will play a CV ? It hasn't even started yet and is already a bit*ch fest in discord Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[QTAZ] _FCK_PTN_ Beta Tester 597 posts Report post #68 Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, SmashUrr said: Does the Gue'pard not out gun the T-61 + they both have similar torps? Yes she does, and she heavily outguns any dd when reload booster is up, torps are similar but only in the are of damage, speed and range - t61 shoots 8 torps every 68 seconds and Guepard 6 every 90 seconds so there is a huge gap between the two Spotting range of Guepard is 10% worse than T61 and AA of Guepard is similar to IJN dds - almost nonexistent and I suspect that there might be a lot of CVs, so non-smoke dd may have very short life 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #69 Posted September 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, SmashUrr said: Does the Gue'pard not out gun the T-61 + they both have similar torps? so your swapping static smoke play for speed and movement ? Good question. I'm curious about the Guépard myself, but I have honestly no idea of how she performs, since I've yet to unlock her. She should outgun the T-61 in a straight-up gun fight, especially with the help of that French RoF-boost, or I'd demand my money back. But any T-61 captain worth his salt would know better than to get into a straight-up gun fight without first stacking the odds in his favour. It would probably come down to individual player skill, and - as usual - luck and circumstances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #70 Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, squalus77 said: Spotting range of Guepard is 10% worse than T61 and AA of Guepard is similar to IJN dds - almost nonexistent and I suspect that there might be a lot of CVs, so non-smoke dd may have very short life Not having smoke might actually work in the Guépard's favour in a duel with a T-61, since a favourite tactic for the latter is to wait until an enemy smokes up, and then ambush him with hydro. That obviously won't work against a Guépard. But considering what you say about the Frenchman's AA power, I - being in a T-61 - would probably just wait until the Guépard was busy dancing the rocket dance, and then start picking him apart with my guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[QTAZ] _FCK_PTN_ Beta Tester 597 posts Report post #71 Posted September 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Procrastes said: Not having smoke might actually work in the Guépard's favour in a duel with a T-61 In a straight 1 vs 1 duel yes, but not with CV over their heads (what you mentioned later ;) ) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,590 battles Report post #72 Posted September 4, 2019 I think my 'starters for ten' will be T-61 and Icarus, but for DDs the crucial question is probably going to revolve around the prevalence (or not) of CVs. Torp build Monaghan might have some legs if there are plenty of CVs running around...? I still keep thinking in terms of smoke/hydro though, especially at lower tiers - fewer people are entirely effective against the combination than you'd find at T8+. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,506 battles Report post #73 Posted September 4, 2019 It doesn't really matter what you pick as long as you play competently. There are plenty of safe ranks so keeping a star should not be bothered with. Either win or bust. I will pick any of those: For DD - T-61 For BB - Warspite or Izmail For CA - Dallas, Budyoni or Spee (last do not recommend it in heavy DD environment) Any CV P.S. That is based on my port. Perth is nice but I do not have her. Leander is nice but the 3 I've mentioned suits me better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #74 Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Verblonde said: Torp build Monaghan might have some legs if there are plenty of CVs running around...? I agree in a way with you, for a Monaghan but you will need to use the A hull for guns or B for long range torps + what do you pack? the torp boost or the AA Boost ??? The T-61 is more rounded but with the 4km Hydro is it going to really be any use??? I think I like Gue'pard,s Gun Fighting ability's more than any of the above, and try to duck and weave CV strikes, I feel trying to stay with a BB at the back is going to be a horror movie waiting to happen, but I think some one will do it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,506 battles Report post #75 Posted September 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, SmashUrr said: The T-61 is more rounded but with the 4km Hydro is it going to really be any use??? Rushing DDs in smoke is a thing. Getting advance warning for torps while in smoke also... And 68 sec torpod reload. Ah, Shinonome... I always forget that thing... 3x2 guns and decent torps. We will be seeing some of those as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites