Smolensk Have to force me to Delete the Game

[mtm78]

 

16 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

Who are you again seriously!

 

Coming from someone who likes making blatant statements without any actual evidence, and who chooses to participate in discussions about in game balance without being proud enough of his understanding of current game balance and mechanics to not hide his statistics, this is an interesting question. Why would anyone take anything you say seriously? 

 

3 minutes ago, WynnZeroOne said:

I don't disagree with you at all.

 

My point is, her early encounters are going to be CC unicums, much like when the CC's were burning down Iowa's in the opening 55 seconds with a Conquerer. I agree WG won't do anything in a hurry.

 

There are two issues though, a poorly balanced ship as well as the ease with which accessibility as a marketing tool makes her available to players who are out of their depth at that tier, like me.

There are non unicum community contributors ;) And yes I don't like these high tier 'premiums' but then again the price is such that most people who've accumulated that much resources should be comfortable with the game. Sadly, WG does not take into account that many players actually keep playing around the mid tiers for various reasons. 

[Merlin851526]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

 

Coming from someone who likes making blatant statements without any actual evidence, and who chooses to participate in discussions about in game balance without being proud enough of his understanding of current game balance and mechanics to not hide his statistics, this is an interesting question. Why would anyone take anything you say seriously? 

 

 

May I posit the same question back to you. Why oh why would anyone take what you say seriously. You have more posts than games for love of god. I don't mind people disagreeing with me really I don't. But what i cannot abide is the "my stats" are better than yours therefore you dont know what you are talking about fraternity. My stats are none of your business I can't make that clearer for you. It's not a pre condition to have a certain level of stats before one can have an opinion.  It's this same elitist nonsense that drives away new players. People cannot ask a genuine question or have an opinion of their own here without some forum admiral stat shaming or telling them to get gud. Christ get over yourself.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

15 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

There are non unicum community contributors ;) And yes I don't like these high tier 'premiums' but then again the price is such that most people who've accumulated that much resources should be comfortable with the game. Sadly, WG does not take into account that many players actually keep playing around the mid tiers for various reasons. 

Haha... yeah. I guess they aren't all Flamu et al.

 

Mid tiers is a strange thing. I've kept several boats from T4/5 whilst slowly grinding and taking care to upgrade captains before going up a tier, but to play there attracts nothing but sealclubber, statpadder and reroller accusations from one of gamings more toxic in-game community's. I can see why people sell everything but the highest tier they have.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

5 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

You have more posts than games for love of god.

Alpha Tester. I'd expect him to have more posts than games.

 

Nothing worse than testers who test for the purposes of early access without contribution.

 

His stats to posts ratio, to me, looks like dedication and engagement.

[mtm78]

11 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

It's not a pre condition to have a certain level of stats before one can have an opinion.

 

Sigh.

 

No it is not, sadly. The problem is that to many people seem to have opinions based on their LACK of understanding of mechanics and thus their opinions on balance are void. Opinions aren't worth much.

 

And with that I mean that I never seen anyone change his position because someone else told him their opinion. People change positions because what people with different opinions use as reasoning behind it. I never seen this in any of your posts.

 

11 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

People cannot ask a genuine question or have an opinion of their own here without some forum admiral stat shaming or telling them to get gud.

People asking questions being told to git gud? Links please. Maybe the questions were... questionable. Otherwise people asking questions get normal answers. Unlike people coming to complain about 'balance' when they should not complain about balance but be looking at themselves first, those get told the perceived problem might not be what they think it is and this is the best possible answer for them. 

 

4 minutes ago, WynnZeroOne said:

Alpha Tester. I'd expect him to have more posts than games.

 

Nothing worse than testers who test for the purposes of early access without contribution.

 

His stats to posts ratio, to me, looks like dedication and engagement.

 

It does say that, guess I shouldn't use that tag, I applied for alpha was let in but then put on hold, right after that CBT started and I got accepted in that. My contributions didn't start with alpha, I wasn't even in the weekend tests sadly. But I was among the server top in played games during CBT, I guess that counts a bit. 

 

It's a bit sad really, I felt much more engaged with the game, and certainly with the community back then. The people like above are really taking the pleasure out of things. Calling me elitist when I was the one on WG's public teamspeak always willing to division with anyone who wanted to learn something, I was very active with Specialist Global Warships Academy hosting classes on how to play and how certain mechanics worked, and now all these new players who don't seem to know anything really tell me I'm elitist because I speak out loud that statistics do matter in balance discussions ( and why... ). 

 

[Lin3]

On 9/2/2019 at 10:37 PM, 19MhD95 said:

+300K dmg with EZ any kid can doo that, this ship broken, the only choice when this ship in the game is only Delete the game and forget it for ever,  but we all love the game but this Thing is make as hate this game.

 

Have you played in it?

 

I have.

 

I lost my first 8 games in it. One of those evenings where 2 dd's were dying in the first 2 minutes of every battle. Leaving the Smolensk and the rest of the team exposed and lacking in the ability to spot.

 

The highest damage in it so far is 193k. In my first battle.

Most battles I've been getting no kills. In my battle this morning I got 6 kills from only 111k damage. I got 2nd most xp for my team. So a pretty average battle. 4 of those kills were dd's just before the end. In two doubles kills. Enemy team were winning and they all made the mostake of getting too cocky. In that situation the Smolensk was devastating.

My average damage in the Smolensk is about 105k after 15 battles. I've had a few poor battles of around 30k damage in it.

 

I will freely admit that I am a pretty average player at tier 10.

 

My best Russian captain is in my Shchors with 17 points. But the build on him isn't really suitable for the Smolensk. So I've been using an 8 point captain that's now up to 10. When he gets to 14 points my Smolensk will get IFHE...

 

With the high coal cost, this will be a ship that's played by experienced players. Some you can tell are experienced but not very good at this game. Those are the Smolensks that will get punished and won't be that effective. Some Smolensks you can tell are good players. Those are the ones to fear.

I can also see this being an evil ship in a clanned division. Mated up with a destroyer and radar cruiser.

 

It will be interesting to see if Wargaming nerf the Smolensk. What with their policy of not nerfing OP premium ships - eg Belfast and GC. However, will they make an exception with this one because it's bought with coal instead of £'s?

 

I would be annoyed if they do nerf it because of the huge coal cost. But then I can see that other players would be annoyed playing against it. If they do nerf the Smolensk, they should also nerf the Stalingrad and Kremlin whilst they're about it.

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

 

 

Coming from someone who likes making blatant statements without any actual evidence, and who chooses to participate in discussions about in game balance without being proud enough of his understanding of current game balance and mechanics to not hide his statistics, this is an interesting question. Why would anyone take anything you say seriously? 

 

There are non unicum community contributors ;) And yes I don't like these high tier 'premiums' but then again the price is such that most people who've accumulated that much resources should be comfortable with the game. Sadly, WG does not take into account that many players actually keep playing around the mid tiers for various reasons. 

You mean Flamu is not a unicom?

 

Sorry if I read that wrong

[Excavatus]

Ladies and gentelmen,

Even though Mr @Carnivore81 cleaned up a little bit and put a short message hoping you guys would understand,

This topic is going very fast to the oblivion!

 

Please either stop with personal attacks, aggressive discussions and offtopic/non constructive posts,

or the topic will be removed which will be followed by a lot of sanctions to the contributers.

 

Please take this as a final friendly warning for all..

Thank you!

[mtm78]

7 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

You mean Flamu is not a unicom?

 

Not all CC's are unicums is what I said. Just as in supertesters there is a mix, and that's good. Not everyone enjoys watching Flamu, Izolate, Runner or maybe Flambass, Aeroon... mhm I'm sure there are some CC's which aren't unicum tho... damn there is this NA CC which isn't that good, but I guess that's why I don't have them in my follow list on twitch

 

*also I don't really want to name people, they offer great content for the people attracted to it

[Hopeless_Guppy]

28 minutes ago, Lin3 said:

Have you played in it?

 

I have.

 

I lost my first 8 games in it. One of those evenings where 2 dd's were dying in the first 2 minutes of every battle. Leaving the Smolensk and the rest of the team exposed and lacking in the ability to spot.

 

The highest damage in it so far is 193k. In my first battle.

Most battles I've been getting no kills. In my battle this morning I got 6 kills from only 111k damage. I got 2nd most xp for my team. So a pretty average battle. 4 of those kills were dd's just before the end. In two doubles kills. Enemy team were winning and they all made the mostake of getting too cocky. In that situation the Smolensk was devastating.

My average damage in the Smolensk is about 105k after 15 battles. I've had a few poor battles of around 30k damage in it.

 

I will freely admit that I am a pretty average player at tier 10.

 

My best Russian captain is in my Shchors with 17 points. But the build on him isn't really suitable for the Smolensk. So I've been using an 8 point captain that's now up to 10. When he gets to 14 points my Smolensk will get IFHE...

 

With the high coal cost, this will be a ship that's played by experienced players. Some you can tell are experienced but not very good at this game. Those are the Smolensks that will get punished and won't be that effective. Some Smolensks you can tell are good players. Those are the ones to fear.

I can also see this being an evil ship in a clanned division. Mated up with a destroyer and radar cruiser.

 

It will be interesting to see if Wargaming nerf the Smolensk. What with their policy of not nerfing OP premium ships - eg Belfast and GC. However, will they make an exception with this one because it's bought with coal instead of £'s?

 

I would be annoyed if they do nerf it because of the huge coal cost. But then I can see that other players would be annoyed playing against it. If they do nerf the Smolensk, they should also nerf the Stalingrad and Kremlin whilst they're about it.

 

Maybe instead of nefing it, they could down tier it to t9, imagine the outcry, lol, and then bring in something even more filthy at tier X

 

But yes it probably will see a nerf,be like the type 5 in WoT's all over again, that thing had armour though, to me this does not

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Not all CC's are unicums is what I said. Just as in supertesters there is a mix, and that's good. Not everyone enjoys watching Flamu, Izolate, Runner or maybe Flambass, Aeroon... mhm I'm sure there are some CC's which aren't unicum tho... damn there is this NA CC which isn't that good, but I guess that's why I don't have them in my follow list on twitch

 

*also I don't really want to name people, they offer great content for the people attracted to it

Was you thinking of Notser?

[Merlin851526]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

 

Sigh.

 

No it is not, sadly. The problem is that to many people seem to have opinions based on their LACK of understanding of mechanics and thus their opinions on balance are void. Opinions aren't worth much.

 

And with that I mean that I never seen anyone change his position because someone else told him their opinion. People change positions because what people with different opinions use as reasoning behind it. I never seen this in any of your posts.

 

People asking questions being told to git gud? Links please. Maybe the questions were... questionable. Otherwise people asking questions get normal answers. Unlike people coming to complain about 'balance' when they should not complain about balance but be looking at themselves first, those get told the perceived problem might not be what they think it is and this is the best possible answer for them. 

 

 

It does say that, guess I shouldn't use that tag, I applied for alpha was let in but then put on hold, right after that CBT started and I got accepted in that. My contributions didn't start with alpha, I wasn't even in the weekend tests sadly. But I was among the server top in played games during CBT, I guess that counts a bit. 

 

It's a bit sad really, I felt much more engaged with the game, and certainly with the community back then. The people like above are really taking the pleasure out of things. Calling me elitist when I was the one on WG's public teamspeak always willing to division with anyone who wanted to learn something, I was very active with Specialist Global Warships Academy hosting classes on how to play and how certain mechanics worked, and now all these new players who don't seem to know anything really tell me I'm elitist because I speak out loud that statistics do matter in balance discussions ( and why... ). 

 

Sry my bad forgot to put you on the Ignore list.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

4 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

Sry my bad forgot to put you on the Ignore list.

Oh lordy

 

I'm sure most would love to ignore me  but hey ho I just pop up like a bad penny, lol.

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

35 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Ladies and gentelmen,

Even though Mr @Carnivore81 cleaned up a little bit and put a short message hoping you guys would understand,

This topic is going very fast to the oblivion!

 

Please either stop with personal attacks, aggressive discussions and offtopic/non constructive posts,

or the topic will be removed which will be followed by a lot of sanctions to the contributers.

 

Please take this as a final friendly warning for all..

Thank you!

@Excavatus

 

This should be put in other threads Herr Komissar,  IMHO

[pra3y]

11 hours ago, Merlin851526 said:

Unless I show you actual battleship weakness? Who are you again seriously! You could be shown a mountain of evidence to point to inherent weakness the Battleship class has. But alas I fear you'd still be blinded by your Ignorance. It's like a favorite pastime of mine to hunt down destroyers because  Battleships are so powerful. I mean sometimes I feel sorry for the DD (sometimes) what with my superior concealment, speed, rate of fire. It fills me with sadness to watch as the poor helpless DD overpens with his guns and misses with his torpedoes due to the Krusty the clown dispersion all the while being detected. Yeah on reflection BB's are easy mode

Well you are trying to prove a point aren't you? It doesn't really matter if I'm the Prime Minister to some bloke in the pub. If you gonna make some sweeping statements at least back it up.

 

 And in all seriousness I do go DD hunting in a BB. And yes i usually kill the DD. How much health does a DD have in the first place? You land enough overpens with those high alpha guns and the DD will still die. Regarding concealment we have BBs with 12+km concealment rating and  even a Yamato with max out concealment has 14.1 detectability. Anything below 15 in a BB is pretty low IMO. You also do know islands exist for you to use as well right? Both as armour and concealment. A smolensk or any ship for that matter can't hit you if no one on their team can see you. Getting toasted by some HE pew pew pew ship? Go into concealment. And that does not mean slowly reversing behind an island. You'll just get toasted even more Stop shooting get away as far as possible forward or go forward behind another island and get undetected. Make the HE pew pew pew ship lose interest in you and shoot someone else  All this are just simple tactics you can use to help yourself survive longer.

 

Frankly, your answer just goes to show how narrow minded your thinking and playstyle is. Lol. Its not creative enough and too fixated on your own believes, therefore making you ignorant of other possibilities.

 

Since Excavatus said we should stop this kind of discussion I'll stop. Whatever floats your boat.

[Merlin851526]

30 minutes ago, pra3y said:

 

 

 And in all seriousness I do go DD hunting in a BB. And yes i usually kill the DD. How much health does a DD have in the first place? You land enough overpens with those high alpha guns and the DD will still die. Regarding concealment we have BBs with 12+km concealment rating and  even a Yamato with max out concealment has 14.1 detectability. Anything below 15 in a BB is pretty low IMO. You also do know islands exist for you to use as well right? Both as armour and concealment. A smolensk or any ship for that matter can't hit you if no one on their team can see you. Getting toasted by some HE pew pew pew ship? Go into concealment. And that does not mean slowly reversing behind an island. You'll just get toasted even more Stop shooting get away as far as possible forward or go forward behind another island and get undetected. Make the HE pew pew pew ship lose interest in you and shoot someone else  All this are just simple tactics you can use to help yourself survive longer.

 

 

But of course you Hunt DD's in your Battleship, I mean you have to in order to somehow put me in my place for having the temerity to question my betters. I mean a sweeping statement like that without any evidence...... Oh well. Oh and thank you so much for explaining things like concealment and Islands, who knew such things existed. Arent Islands the things that hide the smolinsk? Heaven forfend that anyone would say anything nasty about the darling smolinsk.  Well that's me truly put in my place now. 

[Ronchabale]

Have played a few games against Smolensk.

 

 

Is there any weakness ? (apart from the player being a potato)

I´d say that this is OP 

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

22 hours ago, Merlin851526 said:

But of course you Hunt DD's in your Battleship, I mean you have to in order to somehow put me in my place for having the temerity to question my betters. I mean a sweeping statement like that without any evidence...... Oh well. Oh and thank you so much for explaining things like concealment and Islands, who knew such things existed. Arent Islands the things that hide the smolinsk? Heaven forfend that anyone would say anything nasty about the darling smolinsk.  Well that's me truly put in my place now. 

Your attitude isn't improving. Your tone is hostile. The chip on your shoulder practically drips fat into my browser. Yet somehow you just keep raging at anyone who makes any kind of counterpoint to discussion or tries to explain anything. Yes, there are some incredibly smug and elitist people on the forum, here to watch the world burn, who seem to go largely unmmoderated - but it doesn't make snarky drivel like the above acceptable.

 

Pretty sure the basic forum rule application is to exercise Etiquette, namely to posting content that is Constructive, Positive and Respectful. Try having a discussion with people instead of exploding at other peoples alternative views?

 

 

[The_Gathering]

15 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

Have played a few games against Smolensk.

 

 

Is there any weakness ? (apart from the player being a potato)

I´d say that this is OP 

 

It's a great ship in the hands of a good player.

Potato players will probably be killed fairly early in the battle; its advantages won't save you. It's a glass canon when caught in the open.

[Merlin851526]

10 hours ago, WynnZeroOne said:

Your attitude isn't improving. Your tone is hostile. The chip on your shoulder practically drips fat into my browser. Yet somehow you just keep raging at anyone who makes any kind of counterpoint to discussion or tries to explain anything. Yes, there are some incredibly smug and elitist people on the forum, here to watch the world burn, who seem to go largely unmmoderated - but it doesn't make snarky drivel like the above acceptable.

 

Pretty sure the basic forum rule application is to exercise Etiquette, namely to posting content that is Constructive, Positive and Respectful. Try having a discussion with people instead of exploding at other peoples alternative views?

 

 

Well those smug elitist people you speak of personally, I abhor in fact you could say I'm sick to the eye teeth of them . I actually know players who simply will not come on these forums because of the eliests attitude of a certain cabal. It's always the same people over and over again. And who if you hold a counter view (heaven forfend ) you get told to get gud, or stat shamed, or my particular favorite, you haven't played as many games as me therefore your opinion doesn't matter. Now as the mod said earlier to leave things lie I was perfectly willing to do so. Until that is, when you decided to condescend to me about my attitude. I tell you what! why don't you let the mods decide what's snarky and what isn't eh! how about that for Etiquette.  I just happen to agree with the OP about the Smolinsk being OP  ( I'm assuming you have read the first post on this thread) that's all. Constructive, Positive and Respectful seems to be concepts that only I have to adhere to well... judging by your contribution anyway.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

17 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

Have played a few games against Smolensk.

 

 

Is there any weakness ? (apart from the player being a potato)

I´d say that this is OP 

When  get he ship, it will the ships weakness, lol, now this is here is there any reason to go for the Yoshino at all?

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, Merlin851526 said:

Well those smug elitist people you speak of personally, I abhor in fact you could say I'm sick to the eye teeth of them . I actually know players who simply will not come on these forums because of the eliests attitude of a certain cabal. It's always the same people over and over again. And who if you hold a counter view (heaven forfend ) you get told to get gud, or stat shamed, or my particular favorite, you haven't played as many games as me therefore your opinion doesn't matter. Now as the mod said earlier to leave things lie I was perfectly willing to do so. Until that is, when you decided to condescend to me about my attitude. I tell you what don't you let the mods decide what's snarky and what isn't eh! how about that for Etiquette.  I just happen to agree with the OP about the Smolinsk being OP  ( I'm assuming you have read the first post on this thread) that's all. Constructive, Positive and Respectful seems to be concepts that only I have to adhere to well... judging by your contribution anyway.

I have to admit that is very true, and seems to be the case in most forums,probably in most games, certainly is in WoT's, how to counter it, flack a big fat finger up at it all and carry on playing the game

Having just unlocked the Kremlin earlier, it is sort of bemusing to think that one OP ship can literally burn down another supposedly OP ship in short order,

[Bear__Necessities]

20 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

Have played a few games against Smolensk.

 

 

Is there any weakness ? (apart from the player being a potato)

I´d say that this is OP 

Small Health Pool. Can be punished from almost any angle. Very dependent on the team for spotting. If you smoke you have to have someone spotting. If you use islands, the same situation. It’s easy to push out of smoke via radar or flooding it with torps.

Overall it’s broken. Not OP. 

[DasTongle]

On 9/4/2019 at 2:40 PM, Merlin851526 said:

Sry my bad forgot to put you on the Ignore list.

 

7 hours ago, Merlin851526 said:

Well those smug elitist people you speak of personally, I abhor in fact you could say I'm sick to the eye teeth of them . I actually know players who simply will not come on these forums because of the eliests attitude of a certain cabal. It's always the same people over and over again. And who if you hold a counter view (heaven forfend ) you get told to get gud, or stat shamed, or my particular favorite, you haven't played as many games as me therefore your opinion doesn't matter. Now as the mod said earlier to leave things lie I was perfectly willing to do so. Until that is, when you decided to condescend to me about my attitude. I tell you what don't you let the mods decide what's snarky and what isn't eh! how about that for Etiquette.  I just happen to agree with the OP about the Smolinsk being OP  ( I'm assuming you have read the first post on this thread) that's all. Constructive, Positive and Respectful seems to be concepts that only I have to adhere to well... judging by your contribution anyway.

 

 

Feeling a bit selfimportant today?

On 9/4/2019 at 1:06 PM, Merlin851526 said:

Christ get over yourself.

 

Case and point.

 

 

And now on Topic, the Smolensk is a light cruiser with a high HE firerate therefore the usual stuff applies do not engage her on her terms do it on your own. She is very fragile and easy to delete. Just as Minotaur though i think mino is still much more dangerous for any dd. It will even out as it always will once the broader population gets the Vessel. Just as totally broken op Stalingrad...

This whole debate is revolving arround feelings and not arround facts. Learning to counter the ships is a process and once it is understood it will all even out.

[Yedwy]

Once I get it the stats are going DOWN, HARD