Smolensk Have to force me to Delete the Game

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, Europizza said:

No you didn't ^^

 

Now go look up the bold text you so eagerly referred to and please stop disproving other peoples rants with broken logic. It's confusing me. Just disagree :D

Thanks for the friendly banter, fun times 

Contrary to you, I understand the text.

[Merlin851526]

3 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Tell me, which class has since OBT started been on the short end of the stick? Which class now caters to potato's being able to show full broadside with impunity? Which class has received the biggest buffs because of CV rework? 

You call other people Potatoes which we all know is a pejorative term and then you take the moral high ground of victimhood because you think I'm calling you names. Furthermore you go on a call BB players Kevins astounding hypocrisy. Your just another one of these high post count individuals bereft of any sense of Irony. Name calling indeed. 

[Merlin851526]

2 minutes ago, TheComedian1983 said:

Comedian's rule no. 3: Hidden account is diagnosis.

Ah there you are. You all must be on a text alert. Someone dares to question our wisdom Alpha testers away!  By the way what exactly does "Hidden account is diagnosis" actually mean? Grammatically it make no sense at all. A bit like all your contributions here I suppose.

[mtm78]

 

Vor 17 Stunden, Merlin851526 sagte:

You call other people Potatoes which we all know is a pejorative term and then you take the moral high ground of victimhood because you think I'm calling you names

Potato is a generic gaming term, BB Kevin is the kind version of what we used to call players as I'm describing. 

 

You're the first to complain about those terms, I guess they feel applicable in some ways? I am asking, since your battle count isn't shown I assume you are not proud of your statistics and have chosen to hide them from your peers, even while still feeling compelled to complain about the balance in game. 

 

Vor 17 Stunden, Merlin851526 sagte:

Your just another one of these high post count individuals bereft of any sense of Irony

See that is the difference, my terms are not directed at you personally ( even if it seems you feel very much spoken to by my statements ), while all you have done is trying to make this personal.

 

Also, irony does not escape me, it's just that my sense off irony differs from normies. 

 

Vor 17 Stunden, TheComedian1983 sagte:

edit

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Contrary to you, I understand the text.

Ouch. That burn 

Lets just stop here, you're getting silly now.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Europizza said:

Ouch. That burn 

Lets just stop here, you're getting silly now.

 

24 minutes ago, Europizza said:

No you didn't ^^

Yeah, as if that was a high quality counter... 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 

Yeah, as if that was a high quality counter... 

Simply informing you that you didnt overestimate me :-) No burn intended. 

[TheComedian1983]

So how many pages left before closing?
And how many triggered botchlings we will see till that event?
And does @Milan_G_ know about this topic?
Or @Yaskaraxx?
Any tips?
So many questions

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Just now, TheComedian1983 said:

So how many pages left before closing?
And how many triggered botchlings we will see till that event?
And does @Milan_G_ know about this topic?
Any tips?
So many questions

This is the last bastion. It will never die! 

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Simply informing you that you didnt overestimate me :-) No burn intended. 

Then guess what this means

22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Contrary to you, I understand the text.

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

15 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Then guess what this means

 

Edit: actually, let me rephrase that: I'm bored now.

And with that, I bid you good day sir. Back to the ignore state we used to be in, such a happy place ;-)

[pra3y]

50 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

So what your saying is Battleships are op

In a way yes. IMO its not actually CVs that dont have a class weakness but BBs. WG have given them so much strength that they can single-handedly counter the other 3 classes by themselves. There is no actual class weakness to speak of.

 

Unless you can show me any actual weakness a BB has as compared to other classes then im afraid whatever u say is just pure BS.

 

Playing a BB is like playing easy mode. A potato lives longer and/or do more damage than they actually would in another class. A decent or good player will have a field day. 

[mtm78]

Vor 17 Stunden, Merlin851526 sagte:

*edit*

 

So you fail to provide arguments, like we're used to when talking with ....

 

 

[MacFergus]

40 minutes ago, pra3y said:

In a way yes. IMO its not actually CVs that dont have a class weakness but BBs. WG have given them so much strength that they can single-handedly counter the other 3 classes by themselves. There is no actual class weakness to speak of.

 

Unless you can show me any actual weakness a BB has as compared to other classes then im afraid whatever u say is just pure BS.

 

Playing a BB is like playing easy mode. A potato lives longer and/or do more damage than they actually would in another class. A decent or good player will have a field day. 

I think WG knew from the very conception of the game that Battleships were going to be very popular as a class Hence is my view they have totally catered for Battleship players .

 

Anyone who played from Beta onwards will know how much Battleships have changed over the course of the game , Dare I say they were pretty balanced at the start granted we had 2 lines in the IJN and USN but as a whole nobody begrudged the BBs at the time mainly because of Stealth firing and Invisible IJN DDs which countered silly BB drivers very nicely and then the Tirpitz arrived and everything changed.

 

Because of the constant whining by BB players the IJN DDs were nerfted into oblivion and stealth firing was done away with which I actually liked as it gave CAs and DDs the task of scouting instead of camping and imho it improved the overall meta of the game , You could argue of course that it made BBs camp even more but even with the meta now do they still camp?.

 

All I know is WoWs was pulling in good numbers back in the day it wasn't uncommon to see 50k at a weekend and 30k during the week and that's with the old game meta of stealth firing and great DD play a lot has changed since then and honestly judging by the declining numbers I would put this down to the constant buffing of BBs imho.

 

Just my Opinion.

 

 

[Molly_Delaney]

At this rate I'll have unlocked/researched/bought Akizuki and be able to torpedo Smolensks before this thread ends.

 

(Whisky may have been involved in this post....)

[mtm78]

21 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

You could argue of course that it made BBs camp even more but even with the meta now do they still camp?

 

Even then, in games with NO DD's and I think two cruisers on each team on an epicenter map, everyone camped. I said in all chat: let's all meet in the middle and brawl. No one even responded, except one guy on my team who called me, to use an acceptable forum term, a muppet. 

 

Game was won on points, with plenty of HP to spare on both winning and living team. 

 

BB does not camp because of HE spam or fires or lolibotes firing fish at em, BB camp because "they have range". Or better said, taking damage and tanking isn't rewarding enough for them to see it as something inherently tied to playing battleships. 

 

edit: I disapproved of stealth fire change, I thought it was fine since it added a tactical layer to the game. Yes I still say that even after being farmed by 3 DD divisions with one spotter and two dmg dealers who spend a quarter of the game following my Yamato around with me unable to do much except ask my team to please no leave me alone and provide me with some spotting assistance. Did it work that time, nope I died. It was frustrating, but I wasn't frustrated at the mechanic I was frustrated at the players on my team, frustrated at my spawn which put me away from the support I needed, frustrated I basically could have pressed W couple of times and went AFK for almost same result ( while running from the DD's I got some dmg in on other spotted targets on their team ). 

 

But enough people who's opinion I value have said stealth fire was to dependent on teamwork, and randoms just don't do well in this regard due to server population generally being bad. In that regard I understand how stealth fire was seen as toxic by bad and new / unaware players, and thus prevented some growth.

 

If given the option on which server I would rather play on tho, the current or an old one, I'd choose the old one as well. I'd add some new content, and new mechanics involving armor model/interaction which frankly weren't that great on earlier patches and I'm not sure on which carrier version I'd want in the game, maybe RTS had issues it at least forced BB Kevin to stay near an allied cruiser, thus making even BB Kevin aware his job isn't only doing damage, but also protecting that cruiser since if it died, you're following next. And new carrier itteration is ofc less damaging to battleships but more punishing for destroyers ( except for top CV players cross dropping my shima pretty often... glad there were so many bad CV's around to make it still a rare occasion ). 

 

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

12 hours ago, mtm78 said:

I disapproved of stealth fire change, I thought it was fine since it added a tactical layer to the game. Yes I still say that even after being farmed by 3 DD divisions with one spotter and two dmg dealers who spend a quarter of the game following my Yamato around with me unable to do much except ask my team to please no leave me alone and provide me with some spotting assistance. Did it work that time, nope I died. It was frustrating, but I wasn't frustrated at the mechanic I was frustrated at the players on my team, frustrated at my spawn which put me away from the support I needed, frustrated I basically could have pressed W couple of times and went AFK for almost same result ( while running from the DD's I got some dmg in on other spotted targets on their team ). 

 

Making sure you are in a certain 2 km window to fire invisible in the open never felt natural to me though.

 

Anyway, I wonder how many times the whiners here have actually died to a Smolensk. 

[HMS_Britannia]

@mtm78

 

serious question:

how can you have more than 3 times as many posts as battles, you seem to enjoy writing about the game 3 times more than playing it? 

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, HMS_Britannia said:

@mtm78

 

serious question:

how can you have more than 3 times as many posts as battles, you seem to enjoy writing about the game 3 times more than playing it? 

 

1. don't forget the games before reset.

2. don't forget the evenings I spend in ST 

3. reading and writing on forum takes less commitment, during the day and sometimes even in the evenings I am doing other things and I can do this on the side and still be responsive when needed without screwing over my team because I have to go afk.

 

I wish I had the time to have played as many battles as posts on the forum. On the other hand, seems my 1 year hiatus caused a certain spammer to have 500 posts more as me on forum here. 

 

edit: and your 'serious question' has a strange place but I don't mind answering. Hopefully your curiosity has been taken care off?

 

2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Making sure you are in a certain 2 km window to fire invisible in the open never felt natural to me though.

 

Imagine how you will feel playing WWII submarines when they go 30kts submerged right 

 

2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Anyway, I wonder how many times the whiners here have actually died to a Smolensk. 

 

Didn't someone check OP's stats and found out he was playing tier 7's? 

 

[Carnivore81]

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[Merlin851526]

17 hours ago, pra3y said:

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Unless you can show me any actual weakness a BB has as compared to other classes then im afraid whatever u say is just pure BS.

 

Playing a BB is like playing easy mode. A potato lives longer and/or do more damage than they actually would in another class. A decent or good player will have a field day. 

Unless I show you actual battleship weakness? Who are you again seriously! You could be shown a mountain of evidence to point to inherent weakness the Battleship class has. But alas I fear you'd still be blinded by your Ignorance. It's like a favorite pastime of mine to hunt down destroyers because  Battleships are so powerful. I mean sometimes I feel sorry for the DD (sometimes) what with my superior concealment, speed, rate of fire. It fills me with sadness to watch as the poor helpless DD overpens with his guns and misses with his torpedoes due to the Krusty the clown dispersion all the while being detected. Yeah on reflection BB's are easy mode

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

Imagine how you will feel playing WWII submarines when they go 30kts submerged right 

Something most modern subs struggle with 

[Lebedjev]

Complain about DD and choose to shoot AP on it, yeah...

[Maviba_76]

Am 3.9.2019 um 00:13, Animalul2012 sagte:

I wonder how effective this things will be if HE shatters will no longer set fires?

There's still its insane AP left ;-)

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

On 9/3/2019 at 10:39 AM, mtm78 said:

 

I've added something to your post above, I hope you don't mind. WG will wait for quite some time before doing anything, as they said they are aware of the current distribution of players who are playing the ship and don't want to overly nerf a ship which they expect to perform well for the above reason alone. 

 

Now how much you think it's marketing talk to keep an overpowered ship in the game because Russian Bias, or if you accept the argument ( or are somewhere in the middle ) is up to the beholder. 

I don't disagree with you at all.

 

My point is, her early encounters are going to be CC unicums, much like when the CC's were burning down Iowa's in the opening 55 seconds with a Conquerer. I agree WG won't do anything in a hurry.

 

There are two issues though, a poorly balanced ship as well as the ease with which accessibility as a marketing tool makes her available to players who are out of their depth at that tier, like me.