[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #51 Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Yeah! advice you could well follow yourself. Right one more time. The op is quitting because he feels the smolinsk is overpowered. You post the picture here showing the smolinsk bottom of the opposing team therefore intimating that it isn't overpowered. You make the very same point in a different thread. What am I missing? The words I highlighted... He made an universal assertion - I disproved it. 9 minutes ago, pjotter_destroyer said: A spreadsheet is nice but this ship is recent brought into the game so the numbers can only go up from the Smolensk when players have more skills on their captains and when they playing more games with this ship. When ships are able to start between 30 and 40 fires in a game than there is something wrong with a ship IMO. No, it is usually the other way around with ships that can be bought with ingame currency. Veterans and good players are usually the first ones to get these ships. And these have usually no problem putting a high point captain on such ships. When time passes, less experienced players will save up ingame currency and get the ship too, lowering its performance. All the while the playerbase learns how to counter the ship. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #52 Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: The same Smolensks I’ve relatedly torp’d and killed as they sit still in smoke. Those OP Smolensks?? Nobody is really making the argument that the ship cannot be destroyed. The issue is the amount of damage dealt by them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,837 battles Report post #53 Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Salentine said: c'mon someone's got to do it, 2410 battles it's a tradition from WOT forum mate.. they don't usually do that here.. oh btw... 2425 now.. :) so "I delete the game" still not working again, On another general note, I suggest people take that ship into the gameplay before crying their eyes out. Extremely powerful ship yes, but like extremely powerful other ships, it is extremely situational as well too.. It is so easy to delete even in smoke... has no armor to whitstand almost any BB... But people sitting bowon to a 12km away smoke, does not think of moving or going silent or changing positions, get farmed like warm eggs under fat chickens.. then complain.. It is like I only go in straight lines in my BB... do something to protect me from shima..!!! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,513 battles Report post #54 Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: No, it is usually the other way around with ships that can be bought with ingame currency. Veterans and good players are usually the first ones to get these ships. And these have usually no problem putting a high point captain on such ships. When time passes, less experienced players will save up ingame currency and get the ship too, lowering its performance. All the while the playerbase learns how to counter the ship. I think you make a very good point Sir 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #55 Posted September 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: The words I highlighted... He made an universal assertion - I disproved it. To be fair to the OP it's a reasonable assumption and one a great deal of people hold. Moreover you showed a screenshot of one battle in two different threads. It's not indicative of any reasonable metric to disprove anything it's a snapshot. Furthermore the stats of which you like beat everyone over the head with here would disprove your assumption https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3655251408,Smolensk/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #56 Posted September 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, pjotter_destroyer said: game so the numbers can only go up from the Smolensk when players have more skills on their captains that's not how this works... it's a Premium... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #57 Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: To be fair to the OP it's a reasonable assumption and one a great deal of people hold. Moreover you showed a screenshot of one battle in two different threads. It's not indicative of any reasonable metric to disprove anything it's snapshot. You have no idea how logic works. If somebody claims that EVERY adult human being is over one meter tall, you do not need to find thousandths of adults who are smaller to disprove such a claim. You need just one... 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #58 Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, ColonelPete said: You have now idea how logic works. If somebody claims that EVERY adult human being is over one meter tall, you do not need to find thousandths of adults who are smaller to disprove such a claim. You need just one... Irony is just something that happens to other people as far as your concerned isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #59 Posted September 3, 2019 And it looks like you still did not get it... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,332 battles Report post #60 Posted September 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Nobody is really making the argument that the ship cannot be destroyed. The issue is the amount of damage dealt by them. Fire Damage, that can be mostly healed back? That damage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IDDQD] TheComedian1983 [IDDQD] Alpha Tester 3,888 posts 26,826 battles Report post #61 Posted September 3, 2019 After all these Smolensk threads, where these guys want to take the power to be seriously mad about SAP shells ? Anyway. Game mechanics are the last problem of WoWs Spojler I'm not saying there aren't problems. They are here, they are huge, but they are small compare to others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #62 Posted September 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Irony is just something that happens to other people as far as your concerned isn't it? ^^ ColonelPete apparantly assumes the Smolensk shown in his screenshot was piloted by a kid. Because 'Logic' 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #63 Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Europizza said: ^^ ColonelPete apparantly assumes the Smolensk shown in his screenshot was piloted by a kid. Because 'Logic' No. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PARAZ] DasTongle Players 1,638 posts 15,421 battles Report post #64 Posted September 3, 2019 14 hours ago, 19MhD95 said: +300K dmg with EZ any kid can doo that, this ship broken, the only choice when this ship in the game is only Delete the game and forget it for ever, but we all love the game but this Thing is make as hate this game. Lemme guess , she did it at Gunpoint..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #65 Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: No. Ah. 58 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: You have no idea how logic works. If somebody claims that EVERY adult human being is over one meter tall, you do not need to find thousandths of adults who are smaller to disprove such a claim. You need just one... Say what? 54 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Irony is just something that happens to other people as far as your concerned isn't it? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #66 Posted September 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, Europizza said: Say what? General assertion disproven by ONE example to the contrary. Basic logic. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #67 Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Bear_Necessities said: Fire Damage, that can be mostly healed back? That damage? Oh sure because every ship that gets destroyed by the smolinsk just chooses to ignore their DC and heal's and simply lets the fires burn out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,506 battles Report post #68 Posted September 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Oh sure because every ship that gets destroyed by the smolinsk just chooses to ignore their DC and heal's and simply lets the fires burn out. Not exactly... Most likely they've panicked and used DC on one fire then trying to turn away and giveng the opportunity to set perma fires on more than just one spot. Today's video by panzerknacker is 415k smolensk which was shooting in the open 13 km away from BBs which ignored him... The crown jewel was full HP Moskva trying to clear an island broadside at 5-km.... Why the I do not get such enemies.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,017 battles Report post #69 Posted September 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Episparh said: Not exactly... Most likely they've panicked and used DC on one fire then trying to turn away and giveng the opportunity to set perma fires on more than just one spot. Today's video by panzerknacker is 415k smolensk which was shooting in the open 13 km away from BBs which ignored him... The crown jewel was full HP Moskva trying to clear an island broadside at 5-km.... Why the I do not get such enemies.... Its the same one in the opening post here. And then people take this as proof that something is OP Even ignoring, that he could only farm that damage because it takes ages to farm those BBs. 140k fire damage, basicly on 3 BBs. Would be nice to know how much damage they received in total, then we could see how "useful" that fire damage really was. By that standard, soon everything will be OP because the playerbase is just too dumb. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #70 Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: Its the same one in the opening post here. And then people take this as proof that something is OP Even ignoring, that he could only farm that damage because it takes ages to farm those BBs. 140k fire damage, basicly on 3 BBs. Would be nice to know how much damage they received in total, then we could see how "useful" that fire damage really was. By that standard, soon everything will be OP because the playerbase is just too dumb. This is early days but an indication of the damage output of this ship. https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3655251408,Smolensk/ you can whistle past the graveyard all you want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,332 battles Report post #71 Posted September 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said: Oh sure because every ship that gets destroyed by the smolinsk just chooses to ignore their DC and heal's and simply lets the fires burn out. The good players do. Can’t speak for the potato’s of the server. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #72 Posted September 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: General assertion disproven by ONE example to the contrary. Basic logic. So you're saying the Smolensk in your proof screenshot is piloted by a kid after all? Because that is the assertion you are having a go at, correct? That any kid can do this. You just told me 'no' earlier. 1 hour ago, ColonelPete said: No. See? Are we in some awesome quantum loop here that I am not aware of? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #73 Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: The good players do. Can’t speak for the potato’s of the server. Are you trying to tell me that so called good players don't use their heal or DC and potatoes do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,506 battles Report post #74 Posted September 3, 2019 I would gladly donate some coal @Merlin851526 to try it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,017 battles Report post #75 Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Merlin851526 said: This is early days but an indication of the damage output of this ship. https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3655251408,Smolensk/ you can whistle past the graveyard all you want. So how much fire damage do you think is in there? If we would roughly go by 1/3 (thats what the guy with 415k damage had, and what i had myself so far aswell) we are at ~65k damage, which is basicly Minotaur level. If you die to fire, you are doing it wrong. And id say its much worse getting chased by a HIV in your GK compared to a Smolensk sitting stationary in smoke or at an Island. When you still have BBs these days who think, they dont need to spec anti-fire, be my guest. But dont cry when it kills you. Everyone has the choice to skill FP/BoS (even HA or JoaT for maximum overkill) and use the DCP mods in slot 2+4 AND use anti-fire flag / heal flag. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
