stats Stats - a journey to the past

[Dragnorak]

18 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

Damn, which means i won't be able to check how crap i was back then, since i never looked myself up until about two(??) years ago.

 

 

I accepted the fact that my stats are beyond saving.

With my battlecount, every victory seems to increase the number by 0.01%, which will get even worse with increasing number of battle.

And nope, not gonna reset/re-roll my account, as i value my ARP ships way higher then purple numbers.

 

For myself I was about 45% I think running around in a shima and Yamato with no clue whatsoever. But what made it worse is the advice I used to dish out whilst at the same time being total toilet myself ROFL. I need to go back and have serious word with myself about that to be honest. 

[Jethro_Grey]

16 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/charts/529853156,Jethro_Grey/

 

 

Oh my, I feel like I haven't seen you around here in ages. Where have you been?

 

Thx m8! I guess that's as far back as it goes. Still nice to see the curve climbing.

 

8 hours ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Do not lose hope mate. There's always a way... Looky here:

And before anyone comments on this, yes it is indeed a horrible thing BUT to my defense I HAVE IMPROVED. perhaps not by much or not even close to how much I would have liked but anyways. I guess it's safe to say that I started out a fairly solid 40%ter....  Hehehe!

 

In any case you can do it by just individually picking out ship stats, which you know you have not played ever since the yonder good "Potato Days" of old.

 

 

Looks like my stats… ^^

 

When i started back then (open beta), i didn't give much of a damn about the game, it was a nice time sink between two games of whatever i was i playing. I also never liked multiplayer games, i'm more a 'give me a good story and decent Gameplay - RPG' kinda guy.

 

MWO was a dissapointment back then, so i gave WoWS a spin. 

I went up all available lines, mostly trying to torp stuff point blank, which didn't work most of the time, especially in cruisers. 

Also, i never ever used or bought ship upgrades (even tho i researched them to get to the next ship) or modules, because due to me playing like a donkey and dying in the first 4 minutes, i never had good games and never made good Money, and what i had i spend on ships. Each ship had it's own 0 point skill captain, and some ships even got a 3 pointer when i had doubloons left.

 

It also didn't help that i mostly used the turret cam to shoot at targets. 

I did occasionally buy premiums - which i didn't know how to drive (pro-tip: don't drive an Atlanta next to a BB and try to torp it, as that doesn't work in open water), which explains why my Atago, Atlanta, Tirpitz, Warspite, Sims, and most lower tier premiums stats are horrible. 

 

IIRC, i reached TIX and X in most lines (US BBs, CL, DD, IJN BB, DD, CA) before i started getting gud and making somepProfit which allowed me to buy upgrades and modules for ships. Playing Yamato, Shima and Gearing with concealment mod was truly an exciting experience. 

 

The rest was basically learning by doing. 

 

Oddly enough, TIX is the tier i couldn't make any of the ships work, i call this tier my '60k damage tier', as most ships at that tier have around 60k average dmg, which is mostly due to the fact that i can't seem to score more then 60k per game, most of the time at least.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, thiextar said:

All these people saying its too late because they have played too many games to fix their stats.

 

Its never too late, if i look up your stats and see that you have been doing consistently well in your recent stats, i dont mind your possibly abysmal overall stats. Anyways, you should not play for the goal of getting better stats, just try to play better for the sake of doing so, stats are just a side-effect/footprint anyways, not an end goal.

 

Well, after a certain number of games, it becomes incresingly difficult to improve the numbers significantly. 

That doesn't means that you can't of course, at least until you hit your skill ceiling. 

 

As i mentioned above, each victory gives me an increase of 0.01% in WR, and my average damage is steadily increasing by up to a three digit number a day (depending on how my games went). At some point, those numbers will decrease even tho my average Damage output might be increasing, simply due to the fact that my battle count is increasing as well.  

 

That's why i said, my stats are fraked beyond salvation, as it is near impossible to climb to 60% WR for instance, within the time that remains while i still get 0.01% per victory, cause at some point, i'll have to win two games for each 0.01% gained. 

And that's another reason to not give a damn about my stats,  as long as i'm improving, i'm fine.

[__Themistocles__]

I remember when I started playing, I was concerned having under 50% WR.

 

Well I improved, not as much as I wanted though. I will also probably never have unicum skill (not consistent within a year or overall), but I am happy being very good and having 56%+WR in near future. Gotta always keep improving a little.

[peoplescavalry]

I think it took me like 300+ games to discover random.i just thought the opposition was crazy YOLO freaks.

[remenberMYname]

The best personal coefficient is the amount of base XP in the battle. 

 

but this stat is missing (your first placement after a battle)   that's a pity, when you see how many not-important stat we have...

so even in defeat battles, when someone is regulary on 1-2 place, it proves he is an  upstandart player.

 

 

 

winrate = teamrate 

 

( when you regularly in the division and using no DD, you can easily do 60-70% wr ) 

 

 it gots a mistake name, that only reason why so many peoples think, it's about personal quality..

 

 

 

 

winrate is a mistake name. 

 

 only real name for this value is teamrate. 

 

 

 

p.s. when someone knows, how to grid a stat how many times i was first after a battle..pls link-info :)

[anonym_FDOLXpxOfXXq]

At first I thought pink ships were premium :D

[mtm78]

@Milan_G_ with 15k games in a random MM, your influence is shown in your win rate.

 

Out of 10 games say 3 games you lose, 3 you win, the other 4 tho you can have influence. XP can be farmed, it's the worst measurement of skill when the goal is to win games. It's like saying: my avg dmg is higher then guy X, so he is a worse player. But then you play battleships and he plays destroyers. 

[OldPappy]

I have like 6000 odd battles now. And a WR of slightly under 49%. Mostly it’s my first 1500 battles without even the simplest clue to what I was doing!! I still suffer from lack of situational awereness and tunnelvision. Sometimes I pull off great battles with 3000+ base Exp. And sometimes I forget myself and get torped in my smoke. 

I am improving but slowly. As usual I play my best when I dont try just to win or go for max damage. I have played too many games in frustration and that is never good. 

Sometimes I feel I have to stare the bitter truth in the eye and accept that I will not get better! With enough experience I might reach 52% but that might very well be my max....

So I try to just have fun and enjoy the game. Damn that is hard!!!!😬

[remenberMYname]

19 hours ago, mtm78 said:

@Milan_G_ with 15k games in a random MM, your influence is shown in your win rate.

 

Out of 10 games say 3 games you lose, 3 you win, the other 4 tho you can have influence. XP can be farmed, it's the worst measurement of skill when the goal is to win games. It's like saying: my avg dmg is higher then guy X, so he is a worse player. But then you play battleships and he plays destroyers. 

i sad to be regulary on top. 

 

dmg can be farmed. base xp not regulary.

 

winrate  lows you when you are top in defeat battel >>> winrate is [edited] by personal quality rating.

 

teamrate can't be considerate like individual quality , that basic logic.

 

 

[mtm78]

Only people who can't accept that their win rate reflects their own contribution believe that. Usually these are bad players. with very low 4x% win rates, who can't see how their in game actions actually reflect in their statistics. 

 

[SirAmra]

I was to focused on stats when I played wot. So I swore to myself that I wouldn't Focus on stats in wows.

I was also tired of xvm Focus in wot that when I heard about xvm in this game, I locked my stats for viewing.

Not going to be part of that toxic community again.

I always aim to improve and learn, but I'm really mellow about my stats...….so I pley for phun u might say.

And most of the time I have beer in my glass and Music playing…...

[Dragnorak]

9 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Only people who can't accept that their win rate reflects their own contribution believe that. Usually these are bad players. with very low 4x% win rates, who can't see how their in game actions actually reflect in their statistics. 

 

 

I've been saying this for ages. WR is the only accurate measure we have of a players skill level at this game. PR not so much as you might be a DD main like me and my influence is not really measured or captured very well by PR. 

[mtm78]

Well PR is way to dmg based, and can be boosted easilly. Just pick a not popular ship with good players, a ship which perform ok but is not the top pick. Then, just farm that PR. That also goes for DD's or even especially DD's since DD's 'base damage' is lower. 

 

Then again, some of my recent wr was terrible while my PR was indicating I wasn't playing that badly. And in time that wr evened out a bit again, so I'd not use either one single handedly but rather use a combination. WR is only really telling if you have enough games, 20 games in a ship is not enough, and only when looking at games played solo ( you never know the influence of division mates ). 

[Donar79]

Vor 19 Minuten, Dragnorak sagte:

 

I've been saying this for ages. WR is the only accurate measure we have of a players skill level at this game. PR not so much as you might be a DD main like me and my influence is not really measured or captured very well by PR. 

Absolutely agree on the WR part but about PR i wouldn't say that it isn't meaningful. I'm not sure now what the exact composition is but i remember dmg was a big part. On the other hand you have bigger influence in another departement. I think it balances out. Your own stats tell the story ....best PR on DDs (as well as with me).

 

Edit: Or what mtm said....

[Dragnorak]

10 minutes ago, Donar79 said:

Absolutely agree on the WR part but about PR i wouldn't say that it isn't meaningful. I'm not sure now what the exact composition is but i remember dmg was a big part. On the other hand you have bigger influence in another departement. I think it balances out. Your own stats tell the story ....best PR on DDs (as well as with me).

 

Edit: Or what mtm said....

 

Yeah exactly. As a DD main I can have outstanding games where I do a lot damage but for the most part it's about

 

Staying alive 

Spotting

Denying

Capping

Spotting

Little bit of damage

Missing torps

Hitting torps

Spotting

Denying

Knife fighting

Capping

Running away from CV

Running back again

Running away again

Spotting

Staying alive

 

and maybe a few others i've missed. None of which are measured by PR

 

[Donar79]

Vor 14 Minuten, Dragnorak sagte:

and maybe a few others i've missed. None of which are measured by PR

But why is your PR in DD better than in BB? According to your arguments this would mean you are a bad BB player. But this isn't the truth since your stats say mediocre. I know its difficult to compare cause you mainly play DD but your influence on the battle with DD (capping, sinking ships and a little bit dmg) is considered by PR. As mentioned the combination of PR and WR is telling a lot.

 

Edit: I think i know what you mean by not measured since important actions of a DD like spotting and area denial are not considered. True. But in combination with WR your PR says if u know what u are doin

[Quetak]

actualy never checked this long term graphs. Interesting to see, when I first checked stats and decided that I want win more I had around 4k games. I took me 1,5 year to reach 60%WR, now its just very slowly going up since I have so many games. 

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