Excessive Criticism

[Benden]

Holy cow ! this thread has been hijacked by [theso], even the volunteer moderator there :D  (mtm man, you're on my ignore list from years now so dont even break a sweat on me :D )

Well my 2 cents :

Report system is flawed.

I get reports even when I communicate in game and get top score in a lose for instance.

I was even misbehavior chat reported while chat banned

I was asked in chat or TS to report enemy players because he killed someone in our team (yay, because it's feasible).

While compliments are pretty rare.

Btw they should promote the compliment function and give some kind of distinctiveness to people with high karma.
WG are good at modeling and creating tons of stuff  real or paper but in game design, and ingame tools they're lacking.

 

The game is rated PEGI 7 so yup, your teamate may be coming from school and will watch Teen Titan after the match so dont expect anything from him :D

[mtm78]

Kinda explains the crowd hanging around here reading that mention of me

 

 

[250swb]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

You really should complain to the developers not the players :)

Yes, the developers could remove the whole Karma system, it's a good idea, but in the meantime if you give a monkey a stick he'll inevitably beat another monkey with it. Or maybe it's time to evolve?

[mtm78]

5 minutes ago, 250swb said:

Yes, the developers could remove the whole Karma system, it's a good idea, but in the meantime if you give a monkey a stick he'll inevitably beat another monkey with it. Or maybe it's time to evolve?

 

How about making it less open to abuse so it can actually mean anything? People suggesting rewards for high karma, well you get more reports if your karma is high enough. Anything else makes no sense, as if you're part of a big community you can give each other karma each time you meet each other in game, just because you know each other or are in the same clan for instance. The same works the other way around, get on some people's nerves and their whole group of friends and clans will report you when they see you. 

 

And there isn't much the developers can do about this. That is why it's a social feature, and should be seen as one.

 

I don't think it should be removed, it serves as an outlet for frustration and protects players that way ( even against themselves ). Would it be nice if the system actually meant anything, well yeah, but can you think of a way to implement it without it being open to abuse?

 

And wanting people to evolve.. have you watched your local news lately?

[mariouus]

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

Which is why the idea of lessons and learning things through reports is just an excuse for better players to weaponise Karma and treat it as summary justice, no discussion, no comeback, no lesson learnt. This is why this thread is infested with self righteousness, people really do imagine they are explaining to people what they did wrong by habitually using the reporting system. 

Weopanizs what now?

 

 Payer, who refuses do learn even most basic gameplay and consistently screws-up other players efforts should have Karma representing that fact. Just like player who is consistently playing well, should have Karma represeting that.

 

If you are talking about justice - then here it is. I compliment players who play well and there for I have do report players who are playing baddly. Otherwise I would be trivialasing those compliments.

 

 

[250swb]

19 minutes ago, mariouus said:

 

If you are talking about justice - then here it is. I compliment players who play well and there for I have do report players who are playing baddly. Otherwise I would be trivialasing those compliments.

 

 

You are a shining example to the community, unfortunately if you've read through this thread you'd realise you are a rare example because other players use it to troll and annoy and to just be spiteful.

[mtm78]

17 minutes ago, 250swb said:

You are a shining example to the community, unfortunately if you've read through this thread you'd realise you are a rare example because other players use it to troll and annoy and to just be spiteful.

 

You're assuming the people explaining why reporting is valid never compliment people for playing well or having good manners. If you get sunk by dev strike and congratulate me I will compliment you for your attitude. If you punish me for making a bad play I thought I could get away with, I compliment people. 

 

The issue with the system is that even in games as these as I literally just exited ->

 

I come out of battle and seen my karma drop. Maybe someone on enemy team? Maybe someone on my team who thought my job was to protect him over trying to win the game? Who knows, I don't.

 

So yes, people do use it to be spiteful, but you should really stop trying to make it look like it's visible from this thread as you're just trying to paint certain people in a bad way without actually providing any evidence for your continuous accusations of people doing things 'wrong'.

 

Lol it's almost hilarious, you think it's 'bad' to point people to their poor plays and yet you come here accusing others of 'social bad plays'. 

 

 

[250swb]

19 hours ago, mtm78 said:

 

 

 

Lol it's almost hilarious, you think it's 'bad' to point people to their poor plays and yet you come here accusing others of 'social bad plays'. 

 

 

You still haven't said how people learn anything from being reported? What exactly are you telling them in plain language? They can just fob you off as a troll reporting them, they may think they played great, your reports are meaningless to the vast majority of players who receive them. OK they played badly, how did they play badly (from your point of view), they probably don't know and you can't tell them so stop pretending you can. That is the hilarity in this thread, the imaginary thought transference that happens when you press the 'Played poorly' button, yeah, they understood the exact point of that rebuke didn't they, lol  

 

[mariouus]

25 minutes ago, 250swb said:

You still haven't said how people learn anything from being reported? What exactly are you telling them in plain language?

If that player really cares about the Karma, then he/she will actually learn. It will work just like grades in school. 

 

35 minutes ago, 250swb said:

That is the hilarity in this thread, the imaginary thought transference that happens when you press the 'Played poorly' button, yeah, they understood the exact point of that rebuke didn't they, lol  

Possibility of something happening is even less, if you do nothing. 

[250swb]

53 minutes ago, mariouus said:

If that player really cares about the Karma, then he/she will actually learn. It will work just like grades in school. 

 

Like many people replying to this thread you are supposing a player has some Karma points to begin with. If they are bad players or even toxic in chat they won't have any Karma to notice your report, they have nothing to lose and so nothing to gain from your pointless report. So, not like school at all.

[mariouus]

10 minutes ago, 250swb said:

Like many people replying to this thread you are supposing a player has some Karma points to begin with. If they are bad players or even toxic in chat they won't have any Karma to notice your report, they have nothing to lose and so nothing to gain from your pointless report. So, not like school at all.

Repots in this case are not pointless. Karma system is. The fact that it does not do mutch, does not mean we should not report or compliment peaople. It means WG should make KArma system mather.

 

 

[mtm78]

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

OK they played badly, how did they play badly (from your point of view nah they just really played badly ), they probably don't know and you can't tell them so stop pretending you can.

 

If they don't know, and I can't tell them in the midst of an ongoing battle, what is the point of not reporting them? 

 

Do you want to know the number of pm's I got with insults and what not, when trying to give advice through in game chat? 

And the number of times I actually got a PM which started a longer conversation which resulted in divisioning and actually enjoying seeing someone willing to improve? 

 

The balans there is not favorable. 

 

If people want to learn, they can come to forums or watch CC's, and preferably they ask the right questions and are prepared to be told truths they might not enjoy hearing, that's great. There are a lot of people around here willing to give out help or advice to such players.

 

So if the report doesn't work in provoking some self reflection, it still has a need as venting outlet for the frustrated player. 

 

The same happens by bad players who for instance rush forwards and die and then report everyone on his flank for not supporting his suicide rush. Or bad player in general who reports others who don't do as he thinks should be done. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

@mtm78Come on, buddy, just ignore the guy. He is not interested in a serious discussion anyway. He just picks whatever loose ends he can find and tries to cash in on it while ignoring any valid points, that were made during the discussion. He wants to be right, not see your valid points. Let it go.

[H4d3zZz]

11 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

The same happens by bad players who for instance rush forwards and die and then report everyone on his flank for not supporting his suicide rush. Or bad player in general who reports others who don't do as he thinks should be done. 

I fully agree with your second sentence. I almost never get reported for actually playing badly. It is usually the players that you either kill for doing a stupid move  or from my experience is for me at least is that i get raged on by my own team for not supporting them or doing something extremely stupid from example what pops to my mind in recent memory i got reported by a div ( i assume it was them) for not wanting to engage a kitakaze that was on full hp in a gun battle while i was in my kagero (might as well scuttle my own ship)

 

Game ended lost 3 karma, surprise surprise. Not to mention it is karma suicide to play a carrier most of the time. Its not a class i even play a lot but i do enjoy playing it from time to time.

One day i lost friking 13 karma in 3 games. Where i am pretty sure that more than half of this report are from my own team.

 

I mean people have unreasonable expectations of what you are supposed to do. Support the dd on the left flank the dd on the right flank will [edited] and moan and vice versa.

If this continues i will reach 0 karma pretty much very soon.

 

While i fully admit that i can be a massive butt hole sometimes and that when i get reported for that i understand why it happened, but more often than not people report you from what they perceive is a "bad" play.

 

On the flip side what is really annoying is that you can have monster games, pretty much be 80% the reason you team won and you just don't get complimented enough.

Best example i alone defended our cap from 4 ships where i killed all 4 of them. Ended the game with a 1000 base xp more than second player on my team. Kraken, Confederate, High caliber, dreadnought, fireproof. And well not a single compliment. It gets a little bit annoying.

 

I am sure most of us can agree that you lose karma much easier than you get it. You pretty much can look at a player wrong and bam minus 2 karma while you need to pretty much kill the whole enemy team do a little song and dance while you are at it and than maybe just maybe you will get a compliment.

[CptBarney]

I think i've been at 0 karma since when i started playing, i just never notice it too be honest, because i learnt from world of tanks peeps just abuse any report system, so in my mind worrying about something like that is pointless.

 

I just play and do well, and if peeps compliment me then so be it if they don't i could careless since playing for the team is pointless frankly.

 

Oh well.

[floribe2000]

Thread closed.

 

It's not constructive at all.