Excessive Criticism

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, 250swb said:

I find it hard to understand why you want to defend that as something you do to others never mind what they do to you.

 

Most of these players will report you for being too good or playing a specific class/ship, too.

So that's a bit of a moot point.

 

1 minute ago, 250swb said:

Don't you realise you make the report function of the game worthless and of no value?

 

That would imply it had any value in the first place.

[250swb]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Any bad player normally gets way more than that. Should be enough of an indication but they'll usually just brush it away with "OMG I PLAY FOR PHUN!" or a similarly pathetic excuse ofc.

As such they most likely don't even if they're given all possible signs. Some reports added on top is thus a result of their toxic gameplay and rightfully so. Whether they win or lose is irrelevant.

 

So you've decided players shouldn't 'play for fun', who appointed you to arbitrate?

[El2aZeR]

12 hours ago, 250swb said:

So you've decided players shouldn't 'play for fun', who appointed you to arbitrate?

 

General common courtesy in team games demands it, but that seems to be somewhat of a foreign concept nowadays.

Still means they deserve every bit of *edited* and reports they get. In fact considering those are the only real "punishments" for toxic gameplay they're getting off light.

 

Please stop advertising violations of the game rules.

 

Arty_McFly

[250swb]

15 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

General common courtesy in team games demands it, but that seems to be somewhat of a foreign concept nowadays.

Still means they deserve every bit of *edited* and reports they get. In fact considering those are the only real "punishments" for toxic gameplay they're getting off light.

 

You seem to think toxicity in the game is only a one way trip, you can give 'reports' of players because they didn't conform to your requirements in a winning battle, but toxicity is only something somebody else does. This is truly what the game has become, an entitled elite, not even all unicums, who deliver the law without seeing the irony of what they say, it's a bit sinister if you ask me.

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, 250swb said:

You seem to think toxicity in the game is only a one way trip, you can give 'reports' of players because they didn't conform to your requirements in a winning battle, but toxicity is only something somebody else does. This is truly what the game has become, an entitled elite, not even all unicums, who deliver the law without seeing the irony of what they say, it's a bit sinister if you ask me.

 

Oh no, I'm well aware that verbal abuse and abuse of the report system is toxic.

It's just that because toxic gameplay isn't punished by the game those are your only offensive options against it. Gotta make do with what you have.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

1 minute ago, 250swb said:

Well I don't blame you for not rehashing the whole thing. But beware 'alternative facts' in future, just because somebody says something it doesn't always represent the truth, and neither does willfully pressing the report button because you have a God Complex. 

I don't have a god complex. All I am saying is, if reporting is equivalent to a god complex, so is sabotaging your team on purpose. Every troll in every game acts trollish because he is in an isolated world of anarchy, where he can do his trollish actions without negative consequences. So how is sabotaging the game not a god complex, if reporting is?

 

I just don't get your point. Bad players got all the power they need in this game, they can ruin a game, waste 23 peoples time, reduce their results. That is not a issue to you. Reporting that very person, which is an empty gesture, does not affect their outcome in the slightest, however is an issue for you. Now why is that?

 

And then you say that the players reporting others should reflect on their own mistakes. On the other side, players getting reported should not reflect on their playstyle? Let's think about that for a second. A player who killed 2 ships and supported the caps and did 100k dmg should reflect on how he could have killed 3 ships and done 150k dmg, thus winning the game by carrying his team. But a player getting reported and doing mere 15-25k- dmg on average, should feel comfortable and self-confident and ignore criticism. Is that what you were trying to say? Or did I misunderstand anything?

[MerchantPrince]

Il y a 3 heures, mtm78 a dit :

 

 

ps. I am a very poor player, hence my low karma

 

Lol.
-----
Also, I've reported people, then given them a +1 once their strategy turned out less stupid than I initially thought.
I've been reported for not doing something clearly stupid given the information I had because people *think* they know better.
I've been reported by players with high WR (my WR is abysmal) who lost us the game (one of the many reasons I do'nt believe in either WR or PR), sometimes for making bad mistakes, often for not playing as they wanted.
I've been SHOT AT, many times, often by GROM players. I steer to the other side of maps when I notice them, they're more dangerous to me than the reds. And yes, I've lost several games because those 5k damage they took off early game because "I was not capping" turned out all I needed to actually finish off the dd I was gunfighting endgame after two or three or four caps.

Too many players equal "being a bad player" with "not enabling them to farm XP at your expense".
Plus, not running premium account or not having had ships before captains got a thing, or grinding lines because you want to have them rather than because they're currently not-nerfed (hey, i started with IJN before they rebuffed them, and went through all ships with 1 point captains, I sure know that) will mechanically expose you to more losses (no premium means more time before your ship is equal to an enemy's), and earlier losses. I got reported a lot before I got to decent British CLs. I got reported a few times lately when playing Jaguar with that three pointer captain they gifted me. Then I switch ships (maybe not to Belfast or Kutuzov, just a standard silver ship) and I get kudos for my sudden magical increase in skill.

I don't even think reports serve any other purpose than allow players to feel less frustrated at idiots, or *people they perceive as such, sometimes due to their own lack of map awareness*. Still, without the feature to vent, I'd buy a  new keyboard every week.

 

Il y a 3 heures, DanottiTR a dit :

go play CO-OP that is PVE nobody reports nobody there ....

Untrue. You still have to learn of the mighty PVE warrior who sits far back and expects you to go spot but not shoot their target. Pink people sometimes, or people who really really want their silver coins the hard way, I suppose.

[250swb]

9 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

I just don't get your point. Bad players got all the power they need in this game, they can ruin a game, waste 23 peoples time, reduce their results. That is not a issue to you. Reporting that very person, which is an empty gesture, does not affect their outcome in the slightest, however is an issue for you. Now why is that?

 

Let us remember, I started out from the position of talking about the miserable bastards reporting players when the team has won. I haven't deviated from that line despite you trying to turn my words the other way. In typical and unexceptional battles players who are dead already, or planning future 'revenge', turn into jumped up overseers pontificating in chat about who should be reported. It could be argued that the trolls you mention don't have much influence overall since you've won the battle anyway so I don't know why you decide to mention it, but yes actual trolls can fairly be reported. But there are some banal and inconsequential things that get people reported and which can look very different if a player is doing their best and they still get an anonymous report going in against them.  

 

Look at some of the responses we've had so far, good players taking it on as their duty or their own jihad to report people and for far lesser offences than trolling. They create their own rules for reporting outside of the game rules, and the game rules do allow for players of all levels of skill to take part together on a team, NOT for lesser skilled players to take part and then get reported by default because they are looked down on. The people in this conversation imagine in their own minds it is teaching somebody a lesson, but how do they learn the lesson when a player may already be playing at their skill cap? You ask 'now why is that' as if I have an agenda, or as if I'm being a apologist for trolls, well no, my agenda is why can't players just be nice when they've won the battle? A 40% player may have been playing harder than a 60% player. They may have died in the battle playing the best game they ever played, or the enemy may have been exceptionally lucky, or the enemy may have been exceptionally talented, either way there is no way for the jumped up Admiral boss man to know this, but this guy has his own rules to follow about who gets reported.

 

So give me a break, I know these talented players are creating a self-imposed authority to dispense justice, they've said it in this thread, but they are lacking the human skills to just win the battle and let it go. An alternative could be to use the carrot and stick approach and try being nice if they want to teach people a lesson, now there's a thought. Of course they'd only do this bullying by reporting on the internet where they can get away cheaply with telling other people what to do, so what does that say about them? But irrespective of that regularly criticising and reporting people (not trolls remember) in your winning team must be the lowest and most spiteful response it's possible to make.

[Blixies]

On 9/2/2019 at 9:29 AM, NoobySkooby said:

I often wonder do their highly polished stats get then free drinks and endless sex?

Not endless, but I once got laid because of my WoT stats.

Spoiler

Some 7 years ago I was doing an internship in a city hall, and there was one chick who played WoT as well.
She was a bit of stat freak (comes with the teritory of a statistician, I guess).

We talked all the time about it and she asked me if I could give her lessons, tips and tricks etc (precisely because of my good stats which gave me credibility in her eyes).
Some wine, music, etc, you can imagine the rest.

If I was a potato, she would have never invited me to give her the lessons.

 

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

So, thready summary?

 

1. Abusing people is fine because they don't treat a game like it's of life affirming importance.
2. God Complex is as toxic as ever
3. Sabotage remains prevalent
4. Sabotage is defined by the people who think their stats are of life affirming importance as simply not playing their way, or for their benefit.

 

Same time next week? 

 

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

Yesterday I gave constructive criticism during a ranked battle to a CL captain. I smoked for him, told him where I was going, what I would do and what support I needed. He refused and went the long way instead.

Luckily another excellent player covered me and ended up killing 4 enemies (him, not me). 

I told this guy that we could have done more damage and won faster. I am not sure he got it, but the results were very clear. He did nothing except travel nowhere. 

I didn't get upset, just explained what I wanted to do and what we achieved. 

I think people is more open to this than to insults.

 

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

They create their own rules for reporting outside of the game rules

 

You still don't seem to be able to read.

 

Right click player -> report -> Plays poorly

 

How are people reporting others for playing poorly inventing game rules again? 

 

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

a self-imposed authority to dispense justice

 

Coming back to that comprehension issue again, seems you keep failing to understand the report option is there by design and for a reason. If you don't like it, that's fine. Complain about it all you want, but stop making stuff up.

 

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

NOT for lesser skilled players to take part and then get reported by default because they are looked down on

 

Quote me the section of the game rules which says 'Plays poorly' should not be used on people playing poorly, until then you're still making things up. 

 

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

 it is teaching somebody a lesson

If possible yes, that would be ideaal actually. If more people paid attention to when they get reported they might be able to actually reflect on themselves and better themselves. What's wrong with that?

 

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

but how do they learn the lesson when a player may already be playing at their skill cap?

Then this player has to accept that his karma will stay low. As explained, no helping in the kitchen, no sitting at the table. 

 

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

why can't players just be nice when they've won the battle?

Again, the fact that the battle is won might be because this one player carried a team full of tomato's. This player is not required to suddenly retract his already spend reports when he actually wins the game despite the failures of his allies. With your nice comparison with real life sports games, any defender which let's a stoppable ball through to an attacker, or who just made a positional error during a free kick for instance, has to live up to that failure. Even if the game his won because his attackers scored a goal more, he was still detrimental to the success of the team and he has a right to get told this. Karma is a social feature ( figures .. ) it says nothing about skill. It's like being in the locker room and getting a slap with a towel. It doesn't mean you are not invited to the pub afterwards and have a beer with everyone. 

 

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

Of course they'd only do this bullying by reporting on the internet where they can get away cheaply with telling other people what to do

So reporting someone for poor play is bullying? And how is using a report option telling people what to do, it basically only tells people what they should not do. Finding out what they should do is up to the player. 

 

And carrots? You mean, explaining in chat why something is not really the best thing to do, and propose something different? Yes, I suppose this would be nice to see. Sadly the moment OBT started the more usual response to that was: STFU NOOB I KNOW HOW TO PLEY YOU"RE JUST A STADPADDER LEAVE ME ALONE WHAA WHAA 

 

WG already provides carrots, you get more gains if you win the battle. Players are NOT expected to teach others while playing. But, there are players who are very open to helping others if they want to learn, there was SGWA in the past which might get a reboot if there is still community interest for one. 

 

Still as I just wrote above, if players with 40% wr are at their skill cap and don't feel an interest in trying to improve I recon they should care equally less about their karma. Seems fair to me at least. 

 

 

 

 

[Excavatus]

Guys,

 

I don't like where this thread is heading.

It's getting warmer and warmer. Keeping an eye on it.

Please tone down a little bit. Especially for the personal remarks and advocating the toxic behaviour with whatever reason.

 

 

[mariouus]

16 hours ago, 250swb said:

Or a system that gives 'entitled' supremisists the ability to slap down players that don't conform to 'the plan'. 

 

You cant deny that players think they did better than other players just because something or other happened in the battle that caused them to have a little hissy fit. Reporting players for that is both pathetic and weak, blaming everything on somebody else and very rarely taking into account the things the 'entitled' player could have done better themselves.

 

So don't give me that crap that the reporting system works as intended because the players who survive or do more damage in a battle are 'better' than the players that don't, there is no way in WoWs to differentiate important influence on the battle from simple damage or kills.

Well, in my experience, if you are just bad - it is fairly uncommon do get reported. One has do be bad in very visible way do be reported. This is specially true for Randoms, but also for other modes.

 

What is the main report source, is doing really well in semi-competetive enviroment (Ranked, Ranked sprint - where you fight for stars and Operation- where you compete for kills).

 

For example: in recent Ranked Sprint, I recived 4.Reports and 2.Compliments. My win-rate during that Sprint was 100%. Out of those eight battles, I was top player in seven battles (by noticable marging), in a battle with Duke of York I was second. Only used Chat once every battle, do say what points and in what order I am going for. So did not have any reason do get reported, but I was anway.

 

Same theme is also in Operations. If you do really well, some people for some reason think you stole their performance. And report you.

 

Recent Ranked season. I only recived ONE Report in Loosing battle. All the rest of the reports where Universally for battle where I did well and Won.

 

Problem for Reporting System is availability of Spite reporting. Bad players getting reported for being bad is fair enought.

 

 

 

14 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Most of these players will report you for being too good or playing a specific class/ship, too.

I would say, above average player is mutch more likely do be Reported when being good. Than bad player is likely do be reported when being bad. And this seemes do be ever increasing trend now.

[bratisla_boy]

Il y a 1 heure, mariouus a dit :

Same theme is also in Operations. If you do really well, some people for some reason think you stole their performance. And report you. 
 

Ooooooooh. That explains the -1 I got during my last run in Op Raptor with a New Mex - my performance was pretty OK (finished something like second I think, have to check), I used once the chat to say "I go back to protect Raptor", so I didn't understand (I watched the replay twice, sure I could have done a bit better, but nothing outrageous).
But now I remember I put myself into a position to take the last 3 BBs broadside, so that they sink before being in sight of Raptor. I must have taken too much XP from the cv happy hunters. Thanks for the explanation !

 

By the way, since we have now firmly established karma doesn't mean anything, is there any way to disable it in Port UI ? I can't help being bothered by these negrep, even though my rational mind knows that means nothing ...

[MerchantPrince]

Il y a 1 heure, bratisla_boy a dit :

Ooooooooh. That explains the -1 I got during my last run in Op Raptor with a New Mex - my performance was pretty OK (finished something like second I think, have to check), I used once the chat to say "I go back to protect Raptor", so I didn't understand (I watched the replay twice, sure I could have done a bit better, but nothing outrageous).
But now I remember I put myself into a position to take the last 3 BBs broadside, so that they sink before being in sight of Raptor. I must have taken too much XP from the cv happy hunters. Thanks for the explanation !

 

By the way, since we have now firmly established karma doesn't mean anything, is there any way to disable it in Port UI ? I can't help being bothered by these negrep, even though my rational mind knows that means nothing ...

Maybe a mod? It's actually not a bad idea, it also frustrates me (like fools following you to port-harass you in chat because you NEED to know they're better than you, in their eyes) even though it's a bit stupid.
Anyway, we play the game for the ships and the fun, so we should just learn to ignore the foolishness :)

[HMS_Kilinowski]

8 hours ago, 250swb said:

Let us remember, I started out from the position of talking about the miserable bastards reporting players when the team has won. I haven't deviated from that line despite you trying to turn my words the other way. In typical and unexceptional battles players who are dead already, or planning future 'revenge', turn into jumped up overseers pontificating in chat about who should be reported. It could be argued that the trolls you mention don't have much influence overall since you've won the battle anyway so I don't know why you decide to mention it, but yes actual trolls can fairly be reported. But there are some banal and inconsequential things that get people reported and which can look very different if a player is doing their best and they still get an anonymous report going in against them.  

Starting out by implying some person is a miserable bastard is not a very open-minded start. Consequently, luckily, the discussion deviated from that. You initially reject the possibility there might be a valid motive behind reports. Maybe the person reporting someone is not as miserable as you think, maybe the cause given is where the misery originates. If someone slaps you in the face and you insult him, is he the victim, can he present himself as such?

 

Your whole point is based on one assumption: Actions are valued by their outcome and not their intelligence. A man risking the lifes of his family driving recklessly should not be criticised as long as he has no accident? A person climbing up a tall tree with a metal rod during a thundershower is not acting stupid as long as he is not struck by lightning and killed? I would counter-argue that it is mere luck that things turned out well in spite of the contrary effort. The simple point is that the person making a deliberate bad choice did not know it would turn out well. The bad result was to be expected. Just because the game rewards luck, it doesn't mean you pat each other on the back.

That may be a basic concept of life. Maybe it is some peoples philosophy to reward luck, while others reward effort. I think the intellectual integrity dictates to reward intelligent choice and criticise people tossing a coin where a sound choice was possible.

 

The report does not give feedback on the outcome. The result screen does. It tells you comprehensively if you won or lost. The team tab tells you how you did XP-wise in comparison to others. Not a good measure, but all showing the factual effect. Efficiency however is a totally different story.

The reports or compliments give a subjective feedback on your impact on the outcome. Were you contributing or feeding off the others? The most toxicity we see in Ranked, where the lack of performance of one player can mean a few extra battles for all other team members to regain the star they lost.

Quote

Look at some of the responses we've had so far, good players taking it on as their duty or their own jihad to report people and for far lesser offences than trolling. They create their own rules for reporting outside of the game rules, and the game rules do allow for players of all levels of skill to take part together on a team, NOT for lesser skilled players to take part and then get reported by default because they are looked down on. The people in this conversation imagine in their own minds it is teaching somebody a lesson, but how do they learn the lesson when a player may already be playing at their skill cap? You ask 'now why is that' as if I have an agenda, or as if I'm being a apologist for trolls, well no, my agenda is why can't players just be nice when they've won the battle? A 40% player may have been playing harder than a 60% player. They may have died in the battle playing the best game they ever played, or the enemy may have been exceptionally lucky, or the enemy may have been exceptionally talented, either way there is no way for the jumped up Admiral boss man to know this, but this guy has his own rules to follow about who gets reported.

In that case I would argue that the bad player is not reported, if he did such a good game. Good players usually are not dumb. They see things untalented players don't. They don't judge a game by its outcome. They will see effort.

Nobody of sound mind can make it his jihad. As I said, reports mean nothing, no consequences, limited number per day. Whoever thinks he can reach a stubborn mind, is dellusional.

It's, as @mtm78said, a rather polite way to give feedback, without getting toxic or insulting, as we see so often. It is not a jihad, but rather a helpless attempt to reach one in ten players and make him rethink his approach to the game. And it seems to works. In another topic a few weeks back on "The mind-set of the 40-percenter" some players wrote how they got reported or got bad comments or hints on their stats and that made them aware in the first place. It was the trigger to make them improve. In a sense the report represents hope. You don't give feedback to a player you have given up on.

I personally don't even see the point of reporting anymore. A person with 0 karma can absorb any amount of reports and a subsequent compliment will count. A person getting 100 reports and one compliment will end up with +1 karma, while a person getting 5 compliments and 5 reports will end up with 0 karma. So the karma system does not impact bad players anyway it only punishes good players for arbitrary reasons.

Quote

So give me a break, I know these talented players are creating a self-imposed authority to dispense justice, they've said it in this thread, but they are lacking the human skills to just win the battle and let it go. An alternative could be to use the carrot and stick approach and try being nice if they want to teach people a lesson, now there's a thought. Of course they'd only do this bullying by reporting on the internet where they can get away cheaply with telling other people what to do, so what does that say about them? But irrespective of that regularly criticising and reporting people (not trolls remember) in your winning team must be the lowest and most spiteful response it's possible to make.

I touched on this winning-thing enough in the above paragraphs.

 

In real-life people are not shy about criticising bad play. If you play casual in real-life, they may send you away or refuse to take you into their team next time. They may not insult you, but they got the means, the power to prevent you from spoiling their fun and they will do so, by real-life actions. If you mess up a match in your soccer clan, prepare to miss a piece of cloth in the locker room or get a cold shower. This idea that you have of people now feeling strong because of the anonymity, doesn't work. I witnessed people in raal life getting into fights over a game.

 

You talk about being toxic to bad players, but you don't mention the reverse situation. Reports are also the result of toxicity against the reporting player, within the game and over time. How often did I get reported for politely telling a player to "angle your ship" or pointing out that his torps don't have the range to reach the target? I try to be constructive, I take the time to type in chat and i get reported or told to have sex with my mother. So at a certain point, my time is more important to me, I just report the guy and move on to the next battle.

Every player gets reported. I get reported. It is not a phenomenon restricted to bad play. Neither are compliments. I also compliment people. I am aware that the fact I got as many compliments per day as reports says something about how these compliments are supposed to be used sumwhat evenly. I regularly run out of compliments. Often you can even read players in chat announcing a compliment "XYZ +1" and the player will immediately get feedback that he did something nice or right. It is only fair to also let people know, especially new players, when they got a concept right. I want to say that, because you make it sound like the above average players are just toxic and arrogant and inconsiderate to any effort and blindly try to bully people. That is not the case. I especially compliment new players, when I play in low-tiers, cause that is where you are supposed to learn. I cannot compliment a player who ignores his lack of skill over thousands of battles and forces his way into premier league.

[mtm78]

19 minutes ago, MerchantPrince said:

Maybe a mod? It's actually not a bad idea, it also frustrates me (like fools following you to port-harass you in chat because you NEED to know they're better than you, in their eyes) even though it's a bit stupid.
Anyway, we play the game for the ships and the fun, so we should just learn to ignore the foolishness :)

 

The worst thing is this MM monitor which WG even includes in their modpack now shows KARMA as an in game stat. No @Leo_Apollo11 that was NOT a good change people shouldn't worry about if people might not be friendly, plays well and plays poorly don't require being nice, or not being nice, just playing well or playing badly. 

 

Almost wished you could hide it, but knowing WG the only way is to hide all your stats.

 

Toxic stuff is toxic.

[MerchantPrince]

Il y a 21 minutes, HMS_Kilinowski a dit :

. How often did I get reported for politely telling a player to "angle your ship" or pointing out that his torps don't have the range to reach the target?

Not to mention the deep sea torpedoes fired at a DD sandwiched between their dd and your BB. Their Chungmu, for example.
Or torps fired in front of you, you can choose to die, or turn... and then you get deleted by red torps. Complaining in chat? Reported.

Complaining in chat and their have div mates or clan mates in chat? Multireported.
Reports are not the best tool ever :)

Admittedly, I should STFU. Still, Stanford U says complaining reduces stress and induced cancer risk.... so yeah.

[AlphaBaboon]

Alle 2/9/2019 alle 08:32, Butterfield8 ha scritto:

Lately I have noticed quite a bit of excessive criticism during game play. "Report this person!" appears to be many players favorite commentary on other's abilities and play. This is a game! It is not life and death! I like to win as much as the next guy but when you act this way you are taking the fun out of it for yourself and those who may be playing with you! "Pull down your pants and slide on the ice!"

Most of the times it's more about venting frustration of players who keep losing despite all possible efforts (and even good playing!). There are other times when you really wonder if there are monkeys playing on your team, because in randoms you really see anything happening, also at high tiers.
So you become the real monkey by pushing and pushing and pushing the report button as it may really make any difference but to assure you that you are doing the right thing.
Btw, if you use the report button as much as you use the congratulation one, everything is fine :) but nobody does I guess

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I'm just not a very friendly person. Hmmmmm. Maybe that explains my karma score

 

 

 

That or I'm not polish enough 

[mtm78]

4 minutes ago, EiricBloodgun said:

Btw, if you use the report button as much as you use the congratulation one, everything is fine :) but nobody does I guess

 

I've actually set it as a daily goal, find someone to compliment in each of my first battles, and try to reserve reports for when they are really needed. 

 

Yes I admit, adhering to this goal has been ... fluctuating at best, but hey I am trying!

 

And I do think people do use up compliments as well, it's just that we never hear people complain they been complimented. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

11 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

And I do think people do use up compliments as well, it's just that we never hear people complain they been complimented. 

In all fairness, I think people in general compliment much less than they report. I can recall many occasions, where a div mate or I myself did a very convincing job by any standard, which was not met by any positive feedback. Needless to say these peaks of performance are not as easy to achieve, even if you know a good deal about the game.

Compared to that it is rather common to get a report for any minor misplay or decision in favor of the team rather than one demanding player. Any amount of positive karma takes a load of effort way beyond average play-wise and restraint in communication. You are an excellent player, your karma should be several hundred, but it isn't, because compliments and karma are not given symmetrically. People are selfish, they complain about peanuts and take excellency as given.

 

It is rather an emotional thing. I once got comlimented for returning after being afk for about 10 minutes. I was the last ship alive and killed the three remaining opponents. That was worth 3 compliments, where I should have been reported for chatting with the mail man and forgetting I had a battle to attend to. It would never have been that close if had had ben there from the start, but nobody would have noticed my effort, but doing the Mighty Mouse thing got me recognition. Ironic, isn't it?

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Ofc it is. Human behavior on an individual basis is one big mystery to me. 

 

10 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

karma takes a load of effort way beyond average play-wise and restraint in communication. You are an excellent player, your karma should be several hundred, but it isn't, because compliments and karma are not given symmetrically. People are selfish, they complain about peanuts and take excellency as given.

I don't think I'm excellent, certainly not recently. But yes, if karma was a judge of someone's attribution to their teams I should be pretty high up there. Sadly as I said before, karma is a social phenomenon and hence I accepted beforehand I should be very low. If the people in my team were forced to compliment me if I did 2x or 3x their base xp, now in that case I might see karma as indicative of something.

 

Today I was reported for being near full HP in my tier VI RU BB. Thing is, I been kiting enemy on my flank, since I am not stupid enough to push into groups of tiny little islands with lots of torpedo cruisers and a DD. Not with a 4xs turret traverse and THREE reverse pointing turrets. The whole concept of this thing is pretty much contradicting itself. Russian BB should be pushing, but with this one it's push, turn when you think you will take the least damage, and then either kite away keeping them at a distance where you preferably out trade the enemy or keep pushing but [edited]first. Not doing so means that you're limiting your ability to prioritize different targets ( due to enemy while still close to each other, being on the other side of you axis and you got 3 backward facing turrets ) and is just not recommended period.

 

This player in his New Mexico fought his [edited]off, dreadnought and fireproof, sliver of hp left. I can understand him being salty a bit.

 

Then came the scorebord and I'm not the first, he is. But I'm second, and it's pretty close. Guess what, I still understand the report. Because it is a social feature of the game, one tied with venting emotions. If I seen karma as tied to how I play, and not how others perceive how I play, I would be mad about getting that report. 

[AlphaBaboon]

40 minuti fa, mtm78 ha scritto:

 

I've actually set it as a daily goal, find someone to compliment in each of my first battles, and try to reserve reports for when they are really needed. 

 

Yes I admit, adhering to this goal has been ... fluctuating at best, but hey I am trying!

 

And I do think people do use up compliments as well, it's just that we never hear people complain they been complimented. 

I understand, i set this goal too recently. I actually do compliment with people, even with the enemy team! This kind of behavior is really needed in my opinion, although it's a human tendency to actually note all the negative aspects and avoid to consider the positive happening.

Philosophy a part, I believe the karma system is quite broken, so the compliment / report seems more like a personal achievement than anything else.