Ships which are no more....

[Hopeless_Guppy]

17 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Throw Money at WG when they sell XMas containers again. You can get them from there

Might even say, they deliberately make those ships to cash in on them like that

 

Chances that any of those return apart from XMas containers? I dont think so...

 

 

BBs dont need Radar Alltho i think, the outcry with Missouri Radar was too much. People where crying why BBs sit in the back. So WG made a BB which should be played more aggressive (so you can use the Radar) and people started to whine even harder. Missouri was never OP. It ruined the economy for WG tho.

Judging by the Iowa, yes I can understand she is not OP, radar is the gimmick,of all my t9 BB's, Iowa I rarely take out.

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Whats the deal with the Kutuzov and the GC though.

 

Kutuzov is very strong, if not overpowered.

 

GC outright outperforms ships two tiers higher.

 

6 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Judging by the Iowa, yes I can understand she is not OP, radar is the gimmick,of all my t9 BB's, Iowa I rarely take out.

 

Iowa is plenty powerful. She just requires more skill than the average BB to play.

And quite frankly your own experience is irrelevant. Every ship would be terrible with your statistical basis.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

Kutuzov is very strong, if not overpowered.

 

GC outright outperforms ships two tiers higher.

 

 

Iowa is plenty powerful. She just requires more skill than the average BB to play.

And quite frankly your own experience is irrelevant. Every ship would be terrible with your statistical basis.

Do you play WoT's by any chance? So your saying that I never sink a ship, sometimes I do, you just never see me, lol

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, NoobySkooby said:

Do you play WoT's by any chance? So your saying that I never sink a ship, sometimes I do, you just never see me, lol

 

I don't.

And I literally have no idea what you mean with what you've just written.

[_FCK_PTN_]

16 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Whats the deal with (...) the GC though.

WG answered the question planning to move her to tier VI without changing any of her stats.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

7 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I don't.

And I literally have no idea what you mean with what you've just written.

Ah well nvm, my stats as thay are are just as bad there, even with bad stat I do have good games, ok I did suck bad once when you was on the team, getting my massa lodged on a rock, but come down off you high horse dude, your a respected unicom, don't lose it

[KillStealBoss]

34 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Oh I don't know mate, I was thinking maybe buff the Jean Bart, maybe giver her Radar and torps, plus a fighter or spotter option too, too much is never enough right?

Mate. It's ok ship. Really. No need for any buffs, maybe dispersion only. 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, MacArthur92 said:

Mate. It's ok ship. Really. No need for any buffs, maybe dispersion only. 

I was merely joking there mate, you are right she is a damn fine ship as she is

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, MacArthur92 said:

Mate. It's ok ship. Really. No need for any buffs, maybe dispersion only. 

80m dispersion pls.

 

reload down to 2 secs.

 

balans.

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, CptBarney said:

80m dispersion pls.

 

reload down to 2 secs.

 

balans.

 

[El2aZeR]

6 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

Ah well nvm, my stats as thay are are just as bad there, even with bad stat I do have good games

 

Being skilled doesn't mean having a good match once in a while. It is about consistency.

 

I have no high horse to get off of. Perhaps you should wake up and accept reality instead. "I'm not bad because I can have a good match once in a while" is just as flimsy of an excuse as "my stats suck because I get bad teams so often".

[CptBarney]

*listens*

 

*angreh el2azer noises*

 

 

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I hope miss champagne appears at some point (with noice armour, secondaries and also chonkeh guns). I would suprised if she was tier 9 though, would be a good candidate for tier 10.

 

that and the french battle cruisers with lots of gunz.

 

(If i could the french bb line would be courbert, bretange, normandie, lyon, dunkerque, richy, jean bart and champagne).

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Kutuzov is very strong, if not overpowered.

 

 

 

Iowa is plenty powerful. She just requires more skill than the average BB to play.

 

 

Remove smoke and the Kutuzov is no longer anywhere near that OP. Problem solved!

 

Iowa for me was not such a good ship. I had much better battles on the North Carolina both in terms of performance and fun factor. IMO the NC is the best USN BB in the game.

 

BTW, is this page messed up for anyone else now?

 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Ships_of_U.S.A.

[MacFergus]

2 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

Oh I don't know mate, I was thinking maybe buff the Jean Bart, maybe giver her Radar and torps, plus a fighter or spotter option too, too much is never enough right?

 

 

 

I am ofc jesting for those who take me a little to seriously

 

Whats the deal with the Kutuzov and the GC though.

Kutuzov was strong if used in Divisions the ability to set fires from 18km while in smoke was a little bit over the top.

 

However with the smoke nerf the Kutuzov has become less powerful and imho I never thought it was op as a solo player strong maybe but like the Belfast it really shined in division gameplay where good players just milked it.

 

The Might Mo wasn't an op ship but its earning potential was which made it op , Again it wasn't uncommon to see Might Mo divisions.

 

But none of these ships compare to Kamikaze Sisters who are so op as to break tier 5 games its the ultimate seal clubber with stealth fire torpedo's that reload every 30 secs with 68 knot torpedo speed and its guns are pretty good too.

 

Now WG had a chance to nerf the sisters when they nerfted the Jap DD silver line but they didn't instead realising that people would want to acquire such a beast they put them in a loot-box and missed the chance to actually balance the game.

 

This seems to be what WG are about in truth , They refuse to balance the game when it comes to premium ships but will quite happily nerf the crap out of any silver ship in the game.

 

Again just my opinion.

[El2aZeR]

35 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Remove smoke and the Kutuzov is no longer anywhere near that OP. Problem solved!

 

Then she'd just be a worse Chapayev.

And as a cash premium she can't be directly nerfed anyway.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Then she'd just be a worse Chapayev.

And as a cash premium she can't be directly nerfed anyway.

 

Aye, true that. Any nerfs would have to come through changes in the smoke mechanic itself which is something I would welcome. As for directly nerfing a premium ship.. give me an 'R', give me an 'E', give me an 'F'....

[1MajorKoenig]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Then she'd just be a worse Chapayev.

And as a cash premium she can't be directly nerfed anyway.

 

No?!!!

 

So... how would you call Graf Zeppelin’s “changed” dive pattern which now reliably prevents citadels?

[El2aZeR]

2 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

No?!!!

 

So... how would you call Graf Zeppelin’s “changed” dive pattern which now reliably prevents citadels?

 

Proof that devs have no idea what they're doing with CVs. Among other things.

 

Doesn't change their stance on premium ships however.

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Remove smoke and the Kutuzov is no longer anywhere near that OP. Problem solved!

 

Iowa for me was not such a good ship. I had much better battles on the North Carolina both in terms of performance and fun factor. IMO the NC is the best USN BB in the game.

 

BTW, is this page messed up for anyone else now?

 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Ships_of_U.S.A.

ye it's a bit fooked for meh.

 

probs my cat rekting everything due to boredom.

 

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

21 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

ye it's a bit fooked for meh.

 

probs my cat rekting everything due to boredom.

 

 

 

Why.. Why is your cat a Wiki editor?...

[CptBarney]

3 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Why.. Why is your cat a Wiki editor?...

Yeah he edits things alright stomach on legs, bag of nerves on wheels.

 

i wouldn't mind seeing some of the stuff in this thread, but 25 gun yammy and modern gangut...hmm

 

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/tzolis-warship-designs.19710/

[Hopeless_Guppy]

4 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Kutuzov was strong if used in Divisions the ability to set fires from 18km while in smoke was a little bit over the top.

 

However with the smoke nerf the Kutuzov has become less powerful and imho I never thought it was op as a solo player strong maybe but like the Belfast it really shined in division gameplay where good players just milked it.

 

The Might Mo wasn't an op ship but its earning potential was which made it op , Again it wasn't uncommon to see Might Mo divisions.

 

But none of these ships compare to Kamikaze Sisters who are so op as to break tier 5 games its the ultimate seal clubber with stealth fire torpedo's that reload every 30 secs with 68 knot torpedo speed and its guns are pretty good too.

 

Now WG had a chance to nerf the sisters when they nerfted the Jap DD silver line but they didn't instead realising that people would want to acquire such a beast they put them in a loot-box and missed the chance to actually balance the game.

 

This seems to be what WG are about in truth , They refuse to balance the game when it comes to premium ships but will quite happily nerf the crap out of any silver ship in the game.

 

Again just my opinion.

Your opinion stands high and true, same thing goes o in WoT's, but now you mention the Kutuzov.i now see why they compare the new Smolensk to it, no doubt in time that will be nerfed somewhat

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, NoobySkooby said:

Your opinion stands high and true, same thing goes o in WoT's, but now you mention the Kutuzov.i now see why they compare the new Smolensk to it, no doubt in time that will be nerfed somewhat

I've seen some of them Smolensks in battle. And then I haven't seen them. Someone must have hit DELETE.

[Zemeritt]

14 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Kutuzov is very strong, if not overpowered.

 

Kutuzov has suffered from the smoke changes.

It was funny to team up with a DD-Mate and park the Kutuzov close, if not into the cap.

Noone dared to get close to 2 km to proxy-spot that Kutuzov.

 

Belfast was of course the queen for that, but the Kutuzov was also able to pull that one of.

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Zemeritt said:

 

Kutuzov has suffered from the smoke changes.

It was funny to team up with a DD-Mate and park the Kutuzov close, if not into the cap.

Noone dared to get close to 2 km to proxy-spot that Kutuzov.

 

Belfast was of course the queen for that, but the Kutuzov was also able to pull that one of.

Yep. Kutuzov needed drastic change in playstyle. Couldn't be close DD support anymore.