"LittleWhiteMouse" views on Russian BB line (from Russian Tier VIII BB "Lenin" review) compared to some old(er) BB lines - namely German...

[Zemeritt]

1 hour ago, Saiyko said:

And regarding the other servers, including us, well, we are biased against RU ships according to SubO, so our opinion counts even less.

 

Rly? Did they really say that?

[Prospect_b]

1 hour ago, Zemeritt said:

 

Rly? Did they really say that?

From @Sub_Octavian's latest Questions&So-Called-Answers on reddit:

 

 

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In this "nerf immunity" perspective, Smolensk is not a premium, and I don't see why or how she should be immune to tweaks. Unless it becomes available for real money. But I am pretty sure that long before it happens (if it happens) we will be able to make the necessary changes (if necessary).

 

I understand the concerns about this ship. And her being Russian does not help here, either, I am not going to ignore the fact that some people are biased because of that.

 

 

[MyopicHedgehog]

22 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

From @Sub_Octavian's latest Questions&So-Called-Answers on reddit:

 

 

 

Completely bypassing the fact that it's WG that have a soviet bias by blaming us.  Nice one SO.  Shows we can't trust him either :s

[loppantorkel]

6 hours ago, Saiyko said:

From @Sub_Octavian's latest Questions&So-Called-Answers on reddit:

'Some people are biased because it's a Russian ship' doesn't seem like a huge overstatement. He says they'll nerf Smolensk if necessary. Seems reasonable and I'd rather see them continue doing these Q/As.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

The good accuracy starts too early at 12 km range.

That is still medium range.

 

[CptBarney]

 

Eh jus replace it with dis.

 

balans.

 

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/tzolis-warship-designs.19710/page-2

 

post 68.

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

The good accuracy starts too early at 12 km range.

That is still medium range.

 

 

What should it be then? I like being able to punish DD's when spotted close trying to torp me. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

What should it be then? I like being able to punish DD's when spotted close trying to torp me. 

 

The whole concept of the RU BBs is that they are supposed to be strong when pushing in.

That is what their HE-resistant armor, their DCP and their dispersion formular is tailored for.

 

The problem is that 12km is actually still inside the normal BB engagement distance and not forcing them to play really aggressive. 

Instead it allows them to utilize islands and to be incredibly hard to dislodge, while still not pushing in, yet they have that amazing accuracy available at the same time.

 

It would feel less OP if they still had German BB dispersion at 12 km and would have to get to 8-10 km to get access to that amazing RU dispersion.

Instead they are already at IJN dispersion at 12 km.

 

There has to be a drawback for all the advantages and that drawback has to be bad dispersion at "normal" engagement range.

But in fact they are already more accurate than German BBs after 16 km.

The the result is that they are just good at everything, if you don't potato broadside.

 

Here is the dispersion graph from said LWM review, so you can look at it again:

 

(source: LittleWhiteMouse)

[mtm78]

I found the tier 5 OP... the tier VI is being a troll and is the first BB ever I have had a 3x% win rate on after 20 battles or so. 

 

Anyway, I actually don't have enough personal experience in them, and I won't just repeat what other people told me about them even if I suspect they are 100% correct. 

 

What I will say is this: you can't compare German BB's directly, because with RU BB's you got to be way more wary about showing broadside. So you can't always push, since pushing on one side usually means exposing your broadside to another group of ships. RU BB's for that reason do well when hugging waifu's, and yes I seen them hold off entire groups when doing that because it's almost impossible to flank without getting spotted within that 12km range and you get blabbed. 

 

I would say, lower their citadels like USN and they might push more.... but that's the wrong thing to do. I rather see every BB have big weak citadels but not if it means they will all bow camp while making sure waifu isn't feeling lonely. 

 

edit: thx for editing in the references article's chart. Anyway it's not really relevant due to reason above. German BB can push into positions while giving broadside and not get punished. 

[Ubertron_X]

36 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

The whole concept of the RU BBs is that they are supposed to be strong when pushing in.

That is what their HE-resistant armor, their DCP and their dispersion formular is tailored for.

 

A RU BB in its natural habitat while "pushing in".

 

20190827_210513_PRSB109-Sovetsky-Soyuz_23_Shards.wowsreplay

 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

28 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

A RU BB in its natural habitat while "pushing in".

 

20190827_210513_PRSB109-Sovetsky-Soyuz_23_Shards.wowsreplay

 

Watched the replay:

1 - the russian BB is TOP TIER , only 2 other T9 bbs  ( 2 FdG) , and only a T 10 , a Moin, all others are T9 and T8.

2 - no cv

3 - only 2 dds / team

 

Almost all my games when I am top tier in a russian BB, I do well and sometimes exceptional well. On this particular replay, I will say the S Soiuz have no real counter, if played decent.IF....

Not the real case on this particular replay, tough...  Sailing backwards the whole game and spamming HE...

But, in fact, you get such nice MM only once in 20-30 games....

And yes, after watching the replay I realize the high load of sarcasm when you said "pushing in" .... when she sails in reversing most of the game !

 

 

[Zemeritt]

19 hours ago, Saiyko said:

From @Sub_Octavian's latest Questions&So-Called-Answers on reddit:

 

Yay, but russian feedback surely isn't biased in favor of them. Most certainly not

[22cm]

On 9/1/2019 at 4:42 PM, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Look at the teams today: most of the times are at least 3-4 dd.s / side,  and the russian bbs, unlike the german counterpart, have crap secondaries most cases, and, most important, have NO HYDRO,  so they are the perfect target for dds.

So, 3-4 DDs per team is too much, but 5 BBs per team is not?!

[NothingButTheRain]

On 9/1/2019 at 2:21 PM, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

@LittleWhiteMouse views on Russian BB line (from Russian Tier VIII BB "Lenin" review) compared to some old(er) BB lines - namely German...

 

 

"Premium Ship Review #131 – Lenin"

 

http://shipcomrade.com/?p=3045

 

 

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

Yes! Yes! Yeeeees! 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

18 hours ago, 22cm said:

So, 3-4 DDs per team is too much, but 5 BBs per team is not?!

You take my statement out of context, then switched to something with no logic at all. Learn to read dude !

I was pointing out the fact the russian bbs are more vulnerable than german ones ( no hydro, no spotter , duh.....) when WG flooded the game with more and more dds and HE spammers .

 

Clear for you now ?!

This has nothing to do with "to many  bbs or to many dds"  argument,  who is not the topic here. Wake-up !

[Animalul2012]

German battleships should have AFT build in already or maybe Manual fire for secondary battery so they can spend some points on survivability last but not least germans should get theyre heal cooldown down to 60 sec!

An alternative would be to transform them into moving bunkers and i mean to make therye secondarys GOD LIKE: secondary HE penetration is increased to 64 mm, secondary range can anchieve a maximum range of 13.5 KM, secondary dispersion is decreased by 10%! Now you have a monster!

[_FCK_PTN_]

23 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Now you have a monster!

And that's why it is not going to happen

[Animalul2012]

 Maybe Gunther Lutjens will bring some improved commander skills that can boost german battleships secondarys!

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

 Maybe Gunther Lutjens will bring some improved commander skills that can boost german battleships secondarys!

Improved Vigilance and Torpedo Armament Expertise would be just right

[BlackYeti]

I only wish german BBs had Massachusetts style accuracy bonus. That would make them appealing again while not being a gamebreaking buff at the same time.

[Yedwy]

@OP I agree with the notion...

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

KM BBs are fine, SN BBs aren’t. Unfun to play against.

[22cm]

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

Torpedo Armament Expertise would be just right

That would be the wet dream for each Tirpitz owner!