aa rework Feedback on the new AA System.

[B051LjKo]

3 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

You’re not applying context to MY point to a question about flak. Is flak hard to dodge? No. Can a player do large amounts of damage by avoiding flak? Yes. 

I kinda agree. Flak mechanics should be changes and made less predictable. 

3 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Does average damage matter? No. Why? Because average damage is just purely that. Damaged done over multiple games. All individual and different. Some games don’t last long enough to do a lot of damage, am I still avoid flak?

Well, on the long run the more damage you deal, the less damage your teamm8s need to do to win. The game ends either on points (where your cap contest potential is close to zero) or when all opponents are dead. The more damage you do, the closer you are to victory. That is the universal rule. Sometimes it is more beneficial for the team to deal 20K of dmg to a dd then 80K of dmg to a BB, i fully agree, but to say that average damage is not important is just not true

 

3 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Yes. Some games I end up focusing multiple DD’s with lower HP rather than farm BB’s. Am I dodging flak? Yes. Some games are just a white wash. Am I still getting strikes through and  avoiding flak? Yes.

 

And my proof is in my replays and results. Not what “average damage shows”. Picking a single stats skews that. That’s why you need to look at evidence as a whole.

Well then I do not understand all the fuss about whining how AA is nerfed to hell. Does nerfed AA affects spotting, not really. Does it affect DDs, not really, as even with insanely OP AA as it was in 8.6, you could still harass DDs. In fact, AA nerf in general is a buff to DDs, as players before had no choice but to go for BBs as AA was obliterating them. 

As a result of the AA nerf, CVs now do more damage to their primary targets. If average damage per game is an insignificant number, then the cgange must be good for the game CV players will have more fun, DDs will have easier life as they will not be the only available target, it sounds like a win win situation to me.

[SlightlyOff]

Well, the reasoning is like this:

 

CV population needs to be maintained above a certain threshold, to make sure they are seen as popular, to make sure your superiors at Wargaming don't regard the whole rework as a giant waste of money.

 

And their tool to achieve this is AA. They said so in as many words.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2890&v=r0PPtIIPIso

 

As soon as CV population drops below a certain level, AA is nerfed and incentives to play CVs are stepped up.

 

That is the way it is going to be in perpetuity unless the player base at least tries to do something about it.

 

[Sunleader]

14 hours ago, SlightlyOff said:

Well, the reasoning is like this:

 

CV population needs to be maintained above a certain threshold, to make sure they are seen as popular, to make sure your superiors at Wargaming don't regard the whole rework as a giant waste of money.

 

And their tool to achieve this is AA. They said so in as many words.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2890&v=r0PPtIIPIso

 

As soon as CV population drops below a certain level, AA is nerfed and incentives to play CVs are stepped up.

 

That is the way it is going to be in perpetuity unless the player base at least tries to do something about it.

 

 

Wont do much about it.

If it stops being Fun I stop Playing.

In Fact after 0.8.7 my own time Playing this Game has gone Down by about 80% and I instead have been looking at War Thunder again.

 

Not doing it out of Spite or to put one on WG. Its just a Simple matter of having Fun in the Game or not.

And right now. I am not having Fun because too much of the Match Depends on me being Lucky enough to have a Decent CV Player or because I need to Play CV and Carry pretty Hard which is not very Fun because I am Responsible for the Teams Victory.

So I dont Play as much and Spend my Time Differently.

Thats all there is to it.

[RenamedUser_12093_1992]

CV planes especially IJN planes such as the Hakuryu are very weak to op aa from a number of ships including bbs and cruisers and some dds too. The fact that people are still crying and screeching on forums rather than grouping up with other ships to destroy planes is hilarious.

 

If you go alone you will be destroyed by a cv.

 

When I'm playing I usually notice that the ships that are bunched up are quite difficult to attack but if I see a lone ship, even a minotaur I can obliterate him. Stop complaining about AA and play smarter. 

 

Many people "tunnel vision" and don't pay attention to enemy planes and just stay broadside and get 16k torp damage. However, if a player is paying attention to enemy planes even a north Carolina can dodge cv planes. Pay more attention to the battlefield and enemy planes. 

 

Just recently, however, I have been taking 20k instantaneous damage on my planes from say a Smolensk and Des Moines, which is ridiculous and should be addressed. CVs are not "overpowered" rather people are playing very dumb and don't pay enough attention to enemy planes. 

 

Its quite annoying to see "CVS ARE OP" threads all the damn time on forums from people who have over a 4,000 battles yet still don't know how to play effectively against CV planes.

[RenamedUser_12093_1992]

Just now, iamepic952 said:

CV planes especially IJN planes such as the Hakuryu are very weak to op aa from a number of ships including bbs and cruisers and some dds too. The fact that people are still crying and screeching on forums rather than grouping up with other ships to destroy planes is hilarious.

 

If you go alone you will be destroyed by a cv.

 

When I'm playing I usually notice that the ships that are bunched up are quite difficult to attack but if I see a lone ship, even a minotaur I can obliterate him. Stop complaining about AA and play smarter. 

 

Many people "tunnel vision" and don't pay attention to enemy planes and just stay broadside and get 16k torp damage. However, if a player is paying attention to enemy planes even a north Carolina can dodge cv planes. Pay more attention to the battlefield and enemy planes. 

 

Just recently, however, I have been taking 20k instantaneous damage on my planes from say a Smolensk and Des Moines, which is ridiculous and should be addressed. CVs are not "overpowered" rather people are playing very dumb and don't pay enough attention to enemy planes. 

 

Its quite annoying to see "CVS ARE OP" threads all the damn time on forums from people who have over a 4,000 battles yet still don't know how to play effectively against CV planes.

 

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, iamepic952 said:

CV planes especially IJN planes such as the Hakuryu are very weak to op aa from a number of ships including bbs and cruisers and some dds too. The fact that people are still crying and screeching on forums rather than grouping up with other ships to destroy planes is hilarious.

 

If you go alone you will be destroyed by a cv.

 

When I'm playing I usually notice that the ships that are bunched up are quite difficult to attack but if I see a lone ship, even a minotaur I can obliterate him. Stop complaining about AA and play smarter. 

 

Many people "tunnel vision" and don't pay attention to enemy planes and just stay broadside and get 16k torp damage. However, if a player is paying attention to enemy planes even a north Carolina can dodge cv planes. Pay more attention to the battlefield and enemy planes. 

 

Just recently, however, I have been taking 20k instantaneous damage on my planes from say a Smolensk and Des Moines, which is ridiculous and should be addressed. CVs are not "overpowered" rather people are playing very dumb and don't pay enough attention to enemy planes. 

 

Its quite annoying to see "CVS ARE OP" threads all the damn time on forums from people who have over a 4,000 battles yet still don't know how to play effectively against CV planes.

Or you should stop flying straight into flak, then you won't get wiped out.

 

They aren't OP they are broken because of their ability to strike anywhere at anytime without repercussions (besides losing planes but if you know what your doing you can mitigate those). And AA does not prevent strikes in general, unless the player in question is in a combo scenarion of being in a really good AA ship and the cv player is incapable of dodging flak in general. Basically they play like no other ships and require special mechanics no other ship in the game receives.

 

Yeah you will lose planes to con dps, but you can slingshot, dropshot and use islands and mountains to reduce the amount of planes lost in general. Also going fast during the strike is a must to reduce the amount of time your in their AA bubbles.

 

And while blobbing up does hinder strikes either greatly or somewhat (depending on ships and tiers) you can still strike them, better yet if your team spams HE at them their AA gets trashed so makes it even easier to strike them.