Why no perma camo for T5 ?

[Chiledip]

16 hours ago, mtm78 said:

 

I don't really see why as without premium I still make credits on tier X ( without any premium cammo's either ) so I can't imagine more people playing lower tier premiums for credits. Myself, I have a LOT of games in my low tier premiums, when I obtained most of those general server population was still stuck at those tiers. Heck, Atago was my first tier 8

 

Also, there are plenty of tier 5 premiums with cammo's which offer benefits economically ( again, not that it's needed imo ). Those low tier premiums I think aren't much more expensive as a tier X perma cammo, so again I don't see a need for tier 5 premium cammo's economically. And if it's just aesthetics, I would rather use a mod ( heck I am using the one from modstation which replaces a lot of cammo's with historical one's so I don't even see all those special cammo's I have ). 

 

If economy can't be what makes people play them, imo a lot of people play mid tiers because meta is different so I would use that argument. Higher tier matches also contain more 'paper' content, and I know people who really do like the immersion they feel when playing lower tiers. So WG could just consider that economy is broken already, and adding more bonus cammo's to lower tier content won't break it much further. 

 

The fact that they don't is also a sign they are looking at ways to at least not worsen it, and at best make it better. 

 

 

I repeat, not everyone thinks like you and has the same wants and desires. I believe that free camos for t5 would make the tier more popular and more played and it seems you disagree. Give the playerbase something for free (even if its not good) and they will use it, or at least a proportion will. Even the PEF gets some play. Your logic applies to you, me and many others but there would be a healthy proportion that it does not apply to.

[loppantorkel]

7 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

Why? Furutaka is amazing, T5 Soviet BB, Emile Bertin, Kirov (is somebody doesn't have the Mołotov) .

I've not said there aren't any good tier 5 ships or that I mind there being perma camos at tier 5, I'm just not personally interested and don't care for them being implemented.

[mtm78]

2 hours ago, Chiledip said:

I repeat, not everyone thinks like you and has the same wants and desires. I believe that free camos for t5 would make the tier more popular and more played and it seems you disagree. Give the playerbase something for free (even if its not good) and they will use it, or at least a proportion will. Even the PEF gets some play. Your logic applies to you, me and many others but there would be a healthy proportion that it does not apply to.

 

Not again this stuff.

 

I do care about what you think, and I am trying to be compassionate about other people's feelings. It's just, if debating a certain topic, opinions are worth as much as a wet fart ( mine included ) unless you can supply some arguments for those opinions.

 

Maybe you're right, but I don't see your arguments. I really do not see how tier 5 would be more popular with perma cammo's there ( and who the heck ever said anything about them being free anyway ).

 

Anyway, maybe I'm wrong, but I would sure like to know why I am wrong other then: you're wrong. 

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

I've not said there aren't any good tier 5 ships or that I mind there being perma camos at tier 5, I'm just not personally interested and don't care for them being implemented.

I have those ships in my port (except the Kirov cause I've got the Molotov) with 19 point commanders. Such perma camo won't cost much cause only 500 dubs (T6 is 1000 and T7 2000). 

[hgbn_dk]

1 minute ago, MacArthur92 said:

I have those ships in my port (except the Kirov cause I've got the Molotov) with 19 point commanders. Such perma camo won't cost much cause only 500 dubs (T6 is 1000 and T7 2000). 

Make that 1000 doubloons, that what the camo for New York cost and the same I paid for the Emerald as well.

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, hgbn_dk said:

Make that 1000 doubloons, that what the camo for New York cost and the same I paid for the Emerald as well.

Ha? Emerald has a camo? Excuse me? The Texas has another camo for 1k dubs. But not the silver ships.

[hgbn_dk]

19 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

Emerald also have even though its no longer for sale. With the Steel master skin mod from the Modstation its actually looks plausible.

 

@MacArthur92

[Chiledip]

49 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Not again this stuff.

 

I do care about what you think, and I am trying to be compassionate about other people's feelings. It's just, if debating a certain topic, opinions are worth as much as a wet fart ( mine included ) unless you can supply some arguments for those opinions.

 

Maybe you're right, but I don't see your arguments. I really do not see how tier 5 would be more popular with perma cammo's there ( and who the heck ever said anything about them being free anyway ).

 

Anyway, maybe I'm wrong, but I would sure like to know why I am wrong other then: you're wrong. 

 

 

Who's arguing? You directly reply to a post I make about free camos (post 11) now ask who said they should be free. Then If I condense this conversation I am likely to put words into your mouth which is something that I don't want to do, so please let me know if I misrepresent your opinions. I don't go into conversations by trying to win them, my motivation is to explore ideas and points of view. 

 

 I said that I thought T5 camos should be free and you disagreed and said that people would/should not have any reason to use them. I tried to remind you that not everyone has 100s of millions of credits or 1000s of signals and camos, not everyone makes profit at higher tiers,not everyone has premium ships/time and not everyone has tens of thousands of games behind them. Some people really like T5 and would appreciate camos at that tier, be they free or at a nominal charge. 

 

When we had the free perma camos at T6, was it the Xmas convoys a couple of years ago? We got leander,farragut,budy,fuso,bayern and I think 1 other. I think how that changed my behaviour. Even when I was playing chapayev and donskoi I was getting a daily budy win to grind my moskva captain. Same with farragut,fuso and leander. I played loads more T6 games than I would have, had I not got the perma camos. I bet I wasn't the only one. If I was starting out now,free T5 camos would come in very useful.

 

To me, what you are saying is that YOU don't see a use for them and YOU could never understand why anyone would have a use for them. What I am saying is that not everyone plays the game like YOU. Pretty simple really. As others have said, its not "why" that is the pertinent question, "why not" is what we should be asking.

[KillStealBoss]

4 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

@MacArthur92

That's weird. There was some mission? Or you got this on the Armory during the British arc?

[hgbn_dk]

Just now, MacArthur92 said:

That's weird. There was some mission?

No just a sale on the Irish day.. The old Gnevy when it was a T-V also had an option for it.. I believe that those which bought it got a perma for the Podvoiski when the Gnevy swapped Tier

 

 

Here is New York another silver ship with perma

[KillStealBoss]

5 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

No just a sale on the Irish day.. The old Gnevy when it was a T-V also had an option for it.. I believe that those which bought it got a perma for the Podvoiski when the Gnevy swapped Tier

 

 

Here is New York another silver ship with perma

Didn't know that. They should make for other T5s too imho.

[hgbn_dk]

Totally agree

 

[mtm78]

35 minutes ago, Chiledip said:

You directly reply to a post I make about free camos (post 11) 

 

I replied to you because there is no incentive for cammo's on tier 5, economic one that is.  Then I mostly went on in generic about subject, not directly aimed at you sorry if that was not clear.

 

Let alone them being free which might be what you think should happen, it wasn't really brought up in the topic ( other then your reply, and I got so caught up in thinking: 'why would anyone want those' that I totally didn't address, nor remembered later, that you also talked about them being free ). 

 

35 minutes ago, Chiledip said:

I tried to remind you that not everyone has 100s of millions of credits or 1000s of signals and camos, not everyone makes profit at higher tiers,not everyone has premium ships/time and not everyone has tens of thousands of games behind them.

 

Again, perhaps you're right but then what? Does economy need to more f'd up in the future? If you're right and suddenly people start playing tier 5 more because of cammo's ( mind you, 99% of population does not care about historical cammo's ) those cammo's would need some economy bonuses. And economy doesn't need more bonuses especially at tier 5. 

 

35 minutes ago, Chiledip said:

When we had the free perma camos at T6, was it the Xmas convoys a couple of years ago? We got leander,farragut,budy,fuso,bayern and I think 1 other. I think how that changed my behaviour. Even when I was playing chapayev and donskoi I was getting a daily budy win to grind my moskva captain. Same with farragut,fuso and leander. I played loads more T6 games than I would have, had I not got the perma camos. I bet I wasn't the only one. If I was starting out now,free T5 camos would come in very useful.

 

Mhm I got one or two at the time but I don't even remember which one's. I have one for Kiev I think, given. Anyway, nice to hear it influenced what you play, I don't see it influencing what I would play. I play ships I like to play at the time I play them, or just because I need them for grinding the next ship in line ( which I do want ). 

 

But what, you actually mention something I didn't realize ( since I have plenty premiums for that ), I didn't realize the cammo allowed you to take any captain.

 

That actually changes something, quite drastically. Lower tier captain trainers would be great ( that's why I have so many premiums right ). 

35 minutes ago, Chiledip said:

To me, what you are saying is that YOU don't see a use for them and YOU could never understand why anyone would have a use for them. What I am saying is that not everyone plays the game like YOU. Pretty simple really. As others have said, its not "why" that is the pertinent question, "why not" is what we should be asking.

 

I did not have a use, and I didn't see a use because I was just looking at economy. And c'mon, I'm playing like crap since I came back, no premium time, and I've bought a few ships here and there and still made millions of profit in just two weeks of some casual ( AND BAD.... like <50% yesterday REEE ) playing. So yea... if you really struggle with economy, don't ask for WG to make it easier for you, but maybe play the game differently ( in general, not directed at you ). Anyway since you mentioned captain trainers, ye why not. 

 

But I don't think WG would like it to much, and certainly not for free, since it lowers the amount of premium ships sold. Low tier premium ships are already pretty ok in price usually, what should WG ask for a tier 5 cammo?

[Chiledip]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

I replied to you because there is no incentive for cammo's on tier 5, economic one that is.  Then I mostly went on in generic about subject, not directly aimed at you sorry if that was not clear.

 

Let alone them being free which might be what you think should happen, it wasn't really brought up in the topic. 

 

 

Again, perhaps you're right but then what? Does economy need to more f'd up in the future? If you're right and suddenly people start playing tier 5 more because of cammo's ( mind you, 99% of population does not care about historical cammo's ) those cammo's would need some economy bonuses. And economy doesn't need more bonuses especially at tier 5. 

 

 

Mhm I got one or two at the time but I don't even remember which one's. I have one for Kiev I think, given. Anyway, nice to hear it influenced what you play, I don't see it influencing what I would play. I play ships I like to play at the time I play them, or just because I need them for grinding the next ship in line ( which I do want ). 

 

But what, you actually mention something I didn't realize ( since I have plenty premiums for that ), I didn't realize the cammo allowed you to take any captain.

 

That actually changes something, quite drastically. Lower tier captain trainers would be great ( that's why I have so many premiums right ). 

 

I did not have a use, and I didn't see a use because I was just looking at economy. And c'mon, I'm playing like crap since I came back, no premium time, and I've bought a few ships here and there and still made millions of profit in just two weeks of some casual ( AND BAD.... like <50% yesterday REEE ) playing. So yea... if you really struggle with economy, don't ask for WG to make it easier for you, but maybe play the game differently ( in general, not directed at you ). Anyway since you mentioned captain trainers, ye why not. 

 

But I don't think WG would like it to much, and certainly not for free, since it lowers the amount of premium ships sold. Low tier premium ships are already pretty ok in price usually, what should WG ask for a tier 5 cammo?

Wow,so may points to address. You don't make it very easy on us old ones to converse with you, struggling to keep up here!

 

Not sure that giving away free T5 camos would be that detrimental to the economy, especially if you tighten things up further up the tiers (as we both agree should happen). Where I believe you would see most take up on the T5 silvers is in the F2P side, who maybe have accounts sub a few thousand battles. These are the sort of players who would benefit from playing more T5 in most cases. As this would be most of the takeup on the T5 camos, I see gameplay advatages for very minimal economic downside.IMO all it would do is pursuade newer, less invested players to spend more time at T5 and it would only have a small economic downside if it worked and none if it didn't.

 

Obviously the camo doesn't allow you to take any captain. What it does let you do is have another daily bonus coupled with camo bonus. Over the space of weeks with a daily win, you have another viable captain without spending any resources. I wanted seperate captains for all ships that I was keeping and the T6s grinded the new captains ready for the next ship in the line. I don't need to do this now but there was a time when this was very useful.

 

How much for a T5 camo? If not free in events then maybe 500 dubs max with less eco and xp bonus than T6.

[_DemonGuard_]

2 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

The old Gnevy when it was a T-V also had an option for it.. I believe that those which bought it got a perma for the Podvoiski when the Gnevy swapped Tier

No, because the camo was specifically for the Gnevny, it got moved up to T6 with the ship when they changed the tiers.

[hgbn_dk]

2 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

No, because the camo was specifically for the Gnevny, it got moved up to T6 with the ship when they changed the tiers.

Have you checked the Podvoiski... Normally when line splits or ships move tiers you get free perma for the ship that moves and the ship which replace it

[_DemonGuard_]

Just now, hgbn_dk said:

Have you checked the Podvoiski... Normally when line splits or ships move tiers you get free perma for the ship that moves and the ship which replace it

Podvoisky doesn't have an option for a perma camo.

[hgbn_dk]

32 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

Podvoisky doesn't have an option for a perma camo.

 

As I read it, it should have according to their own text

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/patch-notes-062/

 

The full article

[_DemonGuard_]

2 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

 

As I read it, it should have according to their own text

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/patch-notes-062/

 

The full article

Did they really make a perma camo for the Podvoisky to just give it away for free (even back then, T5 would normally not get perma camos)? If so, at least i don't have it. Does anyone remember?

[Chiledip]

8 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

Did they really make a perma camo for the Podvoisky to just give it away for free (even back then, T5 would normally not get perma camos)? If so, at least i don't have it. Does anyone remember?

I had T6 ognevoi camo which gave me gnevny and ognevoi camos after the retier/split. If memory serves me correctly T5 gnevny did have perma camo, not sure if it was a mission thing or available on general sale though.

[Hedgehog1963]

On 9/1/2019 at 9:27 AM, Aragathor said:

I spoke to @MrConwayabout it and he answered there are no plans for t5 and lower perma camos as they would unbalance the game.

 

While I do not agree with this stance, as having a +50% XP camo does not in any way influence the game, I have no hopes of T5 ever getting historical perma camos.

 

And yet premium ships get perma camo's at Tier V and my Minekaze has one.

[mtm78]

17 hours ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

And yet premium ships get perma camo's at Tier V and my Minekaze has one.

You need the Kamikaze, you know the original good old Minekaze

 

Which was available through a campaign right? Not even sure how I got mine, think it was a campaign?

[Procrastes]

I'd welcome permanent camouflage options on all tiers, simply because I'll take any and all chances to personalize my gaming experience. They wouldn't have to have any other bonuses than the usual ones for concealment and dispersion, either. Historical, theoretical, burlesque, theme-oriented, crazy or just plain nice - the possibilities are endless! Pimp your ship!

 

Although they should have a filter available for shutting off the more outlandish camo patterns. No one should be forced to endure the Cleveland Candy Cane Camo for extended periods of time, for example - that might actually be in contravention to international humanitarian law.

 

Edited: The Cleveland Candy Cane Camo is hilarious. I love it. And it's no wonder it gives a bonus to dispersion; presumably the artillery men can't bring themselves to look directly at it when taking aim.

[Hedgehog1963]

8 hours ago, mtm78 said:

You need the Kamikaze, you know the original good old Minekaze

 

Which was available through a campaign right? Not even sure how I got mine, think it was a campaign?

 

As I recall correctly we were able to bu Fûjin at the first and second Halloween following the start of open beta.  That's where I got mine.

 

We were able to earn Kamikaze R in a "Quest for pearls," which I recall was based on the communities output towards mission goals.  That's where I got mine.

 

I think I recall seeing Kamikaze on sale very briefly and I sometimes regret not having it.

 

At the turn of the first calendar year after open beta I was able to buy a new year camo for Minekaze.  Of course I don't play that ship anymore because it isn't as good as the premiums.

 

 

[mtm78]

It's when WG first admitted their policy of requiring a grind for people to enter a pool from where random winners are selected wasn't really fun and engaging :) 

 

I don't remember how long Kamikaze was on sale, but it was not that long. And yeah I feel you about Minekaze... one of the reason I will never regrind entire lines, I have no issues playing a game now in them but to grind them again just makes me fear I will destroy all those happy memories.