Colorado, you're a steaming pile of you know what...

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

14 hours ago, Sturmtiger_304 said:

The Colorado is bad, and you should feel bad.

 

You will miss all of the important things in the battle while you struggle to do 21kn, range upgrade or not. GL hitting DDs at 15km+. Also, islands/cover are a thing. The 406 guns is the only thing Colorado got going for it, you're better off with the Nagato which can do everything better and faster while having marginally worse dispersion.

KGV->Colorado.

marginally dispersion ? hahaha ! good one !!

Fking crap guns of Nagato can't hit a broadside bb at 5 km with more than 1-2 shells most of the times !

The devs nerfed to oblivion this ship, look at the crazy dispersion from turrets,  you get a pair of shells at 11º o'clock other pair at 1ºº o'clock ,  the trajectory seems to be from 2 different ships not 2 turrets of the same ship !

I will say here hard and loud: Nagato accuracy under 7 km is THE WORST in the whole game !

With a Colorado, I can be sure I put 4-5 shells in a target at 6-7km, with Nagato, only 1-2 - best case 3 shells. Nagato accuracy is MUCH worse than Colorado at close range. A dd can laugh at you all day long if he come under 7 km !

MORE : in Op.s. I managed salvo.s of 42k (double citadel) with Colorado against the T9 Missouri, at 7 km.

NEVER managed that with Nagato ! The Best case, a citadel. Colorado, on other hand, at the same range, vs the same ship ( T9 Missouri) - will do much more damage. All because the crap dispersion and crap accuracy of Nagato guns at short range.

[mariouus]

10 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Compared to the Colo the Nagato also had

+ accuracy

+ gun performance

+ armor

+ range

- AA (in an iteration of the game where CVs would nuke everything anyway)

 

There was literally no reason to play the Colo at all. And there really still isn't.

In comparison of Nagato and Colorado - I prefer Colorado. For some reason Nagato feels "softer".

 

In terms of "older" lines - Colorado, Nagato, Gneisenau and KGV. I would say Colorado has most potential. New lines, like Lyon and specially Sinop have heavily power-creeped the Colorado. 

[HaachamaShipping]

51 minutes ago, mariouus said:

In comparison of Nagato and Colorado - I prefer Colorado. For some reason Nagato feels "softer".

 

In terms of "older" lines - Colorado, Nagato, Gneisenau and KGV. I would say Colorado has most potential. New lines, like Lyon and specially Sinop have heavily power-creeped the Colorado. 

Nagato and Colorado share their extensive 25 mm plating all over the ship, but Colorado's citadel armour is thicker and while Nagato has more hp, Colorado has the way better repair party. I think Colorado is currently in a decent spot, with the sole thing that is kind of questionable being the Sinop, which has similarly powerful guns, but not the weak plating and poor speed.

[mariouus]

13 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Nagato and Colorado share their extensive 25 mm plating all over the ship, but Colorado's citadel armour is thicker and while Nagato has more hp, Colorado has the way better repair party. I think Colorado is currently in a decent spot, with the sole thing that is kind of questionable being the Sinop, which has similarly powerful guns, but not the weak plating and poor speed.

Why Lyon and Sinop powercreep the Nagato and Colorado specially, is that WG apparently designed their armor-layout do screw-over 16.inchers ( both Lyon and Sinop armor layouts are Fantasy from WG).

[Floofz]

Colorado is definately amoung the top 3 best tier 7 BBs in the game. I even have perma camo on her :) Her guns are WAY more consistent compared to Nagato. Her only downside is her lack of speed. You need to be aware of where you position yourself, althou its something you should be aware of already having played the New Mexico.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, mariouus said:

Why Lyon and Sinop powercreep the Nagato and Colorado specially, is that WG apparently designed their armor-layout do screw-over 16.inchers ( both Lyon and Sinop armor layouts are Fantasy from WG).

Lyon doesn't screw over Nagato and Colorado though. The reason Sinop is silly is because it takes the main draw of the Big 7 (the 406/410 mm guns) and puts it on a hull that has more armour, matches Nagato's hp (best in tier among silver ships) and is faster. Lyon meanwhile has 16 guns, but:

• cannot overmatch
• garbage accuracy
• inferior penetration
• gun firing angles are a joke
• hp value on par with T5 Kongo
• Armour layout isn't bad, but still extensive 25 mm plating that makes trading AP with a properly angled Big 7 a loss, as you will eat regular 10k salvos or so, which is almost 20% of your hp, while the AP return fire doesn't do much.

Lyon's best armour is towards the bow, amidships it is easily overmatched and kiting, you can potentially citadel it through the stern (did so already once in Gneisenau). Lyon is not bad, but it occupies a different niche. Sinop does not. It basically kicks all other Big 7s out of that niche, because why bring those to anything competitive over Sinop?

[mariouus]

30 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Lyon doesn't screw over Nagato and Colorado though.

Lyons armor-layout does neglect 16.inch gun advantage. Its gun arrangement does not allow exploiting it in most of the cases.

 

Sinop at the same is tailor made do counter "old" BB lines.

[El2aZeR]

12 hours ago, Panocek said:

I'd say armor is slightly in favor for Colorado due to uniform 343mm belt and underwater citadel, unlike Nagato. Both overmatch each other and eat HE like there is no tommorow though

 

That was one of the buffs she received I think. Colo used to take citadels from pretty much every salvo.

[HaachamaShipping]

13 minutes ago, mariouus said:

Lyons armor-layout does neglect 16.inch gun advantage. Its gun arrangement does not allow exploiting it in most of the cases.

 

Sinop at the same is tailor made do counter "old" BB lines.

Not too hard to hit. And while Colorado is 25 mm all over, Lyon cannot even overmatch that. So, yeah, no. there is a difference between Lyon and Sinop in how they interact with the old big gun BB lines.

Spoiler

Gneisenau is a bigger issue than Lyon.

[Redcap375]

On 8/31/2019 at 8:33 PM, RadioFighterYR said:

So I have this turd of a ship.

 

Simply put..

 

She has more con's then pro's. She's one of those ships and she felt under par. Not a ship I would ever buy back, even with buff.

 

And now with the Starlin approved Sinop, she's dog meat.  When I get the other Starlin approved BB at tier 10, I will buy back the Sinop. She's brutal as ranked showed. 

[mariouus]

Just now, Cagliostro_chan said:

Not too hard to hit. And while Colorado is 25 mm all over, Lyon cannot even overmatch that. So, yeah, no. there is a difference between Lyon and Sinop in how they interact with the old big gun BB lines.

I think you have not played Lyon.

 

Effort you have do but in, do achive same result than in Colorado or Nagato is fairly low in Lyon. This is down to 16.guns and armor lay-out.

 

Lyon makes Colorado irrelavent, Sinop complietly stomps it. Meaning - Lyon heavily dumbed down tier.VII gameplay, Sinop is straight-out catering most moronic and lazy gameplay. Both are bad,

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, mariouus said:

I think you have not played Lyon.

 

Effort you have do but in, do achive same result than in Colorado or Nagato is fairly low in Lyon. This is down to 16.guns and armor lay-out.

 

Lyon makes Colorado irrelavent, Sinop complietly stomps it. Meaning - Lyon heavily dumbed down tier.VII gameplay, Sinop is straight-out catering most moronic and lazy gameplay. Both are bad,

 

I agree

Spoiler

 

Its not as simple to look at overmatch and say, those BBs have this going for them. You will get broadsides in Randoms, there is no way around it. And Lyon beats the others by sheer volume, even if the dispersion is questionable.

I did play Izmail today for the grind, and its hilariously OP. Sinop cant be worse i assume...

Nagato has accurate guns and i liked it back then. Even tho, teams were questionable, and i probably did a bit more damage because of that. At the same time, Lyon can just roll over the enemies. While Nelson is pretty strong aswell, its not as idiot proof as Lyon is.

Colorado 1 game, hated it right away. The match itself sucked pretty hard, so it was not only the ships fault. And i got NC mission from a container back then so i didnt have to endure it any longer.

 

If i pick a T7 BB these days its either Lyon or Nelson. Maybe Sinop in future? At T6, why should i pick anything else than Izmail? It feels superior to every single other BB i have. Delete stuff left and right. After playing a few games Izmail, took Nelson out for a spin... boy oh boy was that a letdown dispersion wise. Its not right that one BB line has the ability to do crazy crap, and the others just derp around even at close range.

[Excavatus]

On 8/31/2019 at 10:33 PM, RadioFighterYR said:

For me, this is a bit like a prolonged M3 Lee grind

wwoooaw!

Easy there cowboy!

Nothing compares to the M3Lee grind...

 

Shame on you making me remembering those nightymares... Pft! Pft! Pft! Yes this is the gun sound of M3 Lee..

 

on another thinking... may be we can say emerald can be the M3 Lee of WOWs... I don't know :)

 

[Yedwy]

IMHO the entire US BB line is kind of F* up really, it was supposed to be the "sniping line" but its not really is it, I mean look at the base dispersion of Colorado for example, its not best in tier, actually its second worst of all the line ships and you cant slot a ASM1 so it stays that way, even more so when you extend the range with APRM1, N.Cal is a bit better since it has better speed and armor and at least she has the longest range in tier so at least you can attempt to snipe but only at T9 with APRM2 you actually catch up to most other lines in accuracy and even then at the expense of the MBM3 that most other lines will slot for extra reload... Not htat they are unusable, but sort of pointless nowadays, at least it was sort of worth putting up with it to get Montana but with Yamato legendary module and esp if Slava comes along...

[Redcap375]

The US BB Line was the support BB line.

 

Medium range BB that provided the best (at the time) AA BB's could buy. It had a niche. That niche has been stripped from it.

 

I used to recommend this line for beginners, i wouldn't anymore. That goes to the Russian BB's.

[mariouus]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

Nothing compares to the M3Lee grind...

 

Shame on you making me remembering those nightymares... Pft! Pft! Pft! Yes this is the gun sound of M3 Lee..

I am starting do think that I am weird.

 

I really like the Colorado, still think it is overally the best Tier.VII BB (Sinop, while mutch stronger, is really dull and is really boring do play). And I really-really liked the M3 Lee aswell.

[Redcap375]

36 minutes ago, mariouus said:

"still think it is overally the best Tier.VII BB"

 

Then saying:

 

Quote

(Sinop, while mutch stronger, is really dull and is really boring do play). 

 

So the Col isnt the best tier 7 then?

 

Just because it's dull to play, doesn't mean it's not the strongest, which it is pound for pound.

 

Funny as i was div with 2 friends last night who had just got the Sinop. Knowing they needed spotting and support, played in the Simms (a great DD).

 

We owned any side that we sailed down. 

 

A Sinop in a tier 5-6 game is like the old Kaga in a tier 5-6 game. Brutal. 

 

When people say the COL I immediately think wonky guns and SLLLOOWWW. Even the AA isnt what it used to be with the rework. But i did grind that ship when there was only 2 nations in the game so.... I even used free XP to skip it i believe. But it does have hard hitting guns so people can make it work for them. 

 

The Col is not a ship that fills me with with any sort of dread when you come across one, that about sums it up for me.  It's a great torp and main shell target and very slow, not great in large maps. They don't effect battles that much and the ones i see mainly sit at the back and try to snipe.  They bring little contribution to actually winning the game. 

[Guest]

On 8/31/2019 at 8:33 PM, RadioFighterYR said:

So I have this turd of a ship, semi-upgraded (I need to unlock range)... I run artillery plotting room to bump range up and priority target/incoming fire alert/expert marksman/superintendent on the captain (planning to get concealment or BFT/AFT next. Which one?). Planning to not unlock range because even with a perfect aim, most of the time nothing happens because either the salvo just doesn't hit (cause you know, nerfing sigma is a great idea) or whatever hits shatters on battleships and overpenetrates on cruisers. And seeing how bad the dispersion becomes once I unlock range, I don't think I'll use it.

Seriously, MM? You think that a ship which can barely move is going to be balanced and work well fighting Tier 9 ships, the slowest of which outrun it by at least 8 knots. The armor isn't there, 343mm only exists on the very lowest part of the hull, near the waterline, everything else is 25mm which means everything that isn't a king george firing AP or scharnhorst rapes you. HE also rapes you. Range can be better than Nagato's if you spec for it but what do you need it for when you can't hit at 10 kilometers.

I tried sniping unaware ships, so at least I am not cannon fodder to anything that's too close to me. Got the middle finger and my salvo said it should shatter or miss entirely, alert the ship I am firing at, make it change its direction and do nothing. Brawling with ships that can ignore the armor everything except your tiny belt and turrets simply isn't an option, especially with that speed. Against tier 5's i feel it does at least a bit better because they have even less armor, but it's still not good. I've had like 2 or 3 decent games because luck, but.


For me, this is a bit like a prolonged M3 Lee grind. At least the Lee had decent speed and gun. I'm not sure what to do with the colorado when free XP is not an option.

 

Ship build? Don't go range - you want reload/accuracy + any and all fire prevention measures you can load. You can then unlock the range upgrade module and mount that to give you your range back.

Captain build? Standard tank captain - PT>EM(or AR)>SI>CE

 

For the rest, (speed) it's a great ship for forcing you to learn how to read the battle flow and positioning correctly. And angling.

 

Early-mid game, play it on the edge of it's concealment range and focus cruisers - it has good accuracy. When the occasion requires, it's actually a pretty decent brawler - turns on a dime, and has a devastating broadside weight.

[Redcap375]

On 8/31/2019 at 8:33 PM, RadioFighterYR said:

So I have this turd of a ship, semi-upgraded (I need to unlock range)... I run artillery plotting room to bump range up and priority target/incoming fire alert/expert marksman/superintendent on the captain (planning to get concealment or BFT/AFT next. Which one?). Planning to not unlock range because even with a perfect aim, most of the time nothing happens because either the salvo just doesn't hit (cause you know, nerfing sigma is a great idea) or whatever hits shatters on battleships and overpenetrates on cruisers. And seeing how bad the dispersion becomes once I unlock range, I don't think I'll use it.

Seriously, MM? You think that a ship which can barely move is going to be balanced and work well fighting Tier 9 ships, the slowest of which outrun it by at least 8 knots. The armor isn't there, 343mm only exists on the very lowest part of the hull, near the waterline, everything else is 25mm which means everything that isn't a king george firing AP or scharnhorst rapes you. HE also rapes you. Range can be better than Nagato's if you spec for it but what do you need it for when you can't hit at 10 kilometers.

I tried sniping unaware ships, so at least I am not cannon fodder to anything that's too close to me. Got the middle finger and my salvo said it should shatter or miss entirely, alert the ship I am firing at, make it change its direction and do nothing. Brawling with ships that can ignore the armor everything except your tiny belt and turrets simply isn't an option, especially with that speed. Against tier 5's i feel it does at least a bit better because they have even less armor, but it's still not good. I've had like 2 or 3 decent games because luck, but.


For me, this is a bit like a prolonged M3 Lee grind. At least the Lee had decent speed and gun. I'm not sure what to do with the colorado when free XP is not an option.

 

You will eat HE in the bucket loads as your easy to hit (being slow) so full tank build.  FP, BOS, SI and AR standard.  I would also throw in EM and HA to make life easier for you. 

 

Don't brawl if you can help it. Too many things with torps (including BB's) and much better secondaries at that tier than can get around you better and fire faster DPM AP into your sides.  Last thing you want is a Sharn, KII, Tirp, Gneu baring down on you, you fire AP and it's bounces off, then he torps you to death (the amount of times i've done that). It's too slow to get away from stuff like that.  Or a Bis/Tirp secondaries damaging everything on your ship from a distance of 11.4km.

 

Keep at medium range and make sure there is at least one ship in front of you. That ship will also thank you for the token AA support. 

[mariouus]

1 minute ago, Redcap375 said:

So the Col isnt the best tier 7 then?

Dependes on persons preference. Best does not mean strongest. 

 

Sinop is defenetly stronger. But due the fact that WG have gone great lenghts do make its most effective playstyle as simple as possible. It is not challenging - meaning not interesting.

 

Why I consider Colorado the best. Is that it requires alot of awareness and skill do deploy efficently (is challanging). But if you do thing correctly, it performs admirably.

 

And for me, if something is not interesting, I am going do play it in a way it is interesting. But this usually means playing it in the ways and roles that plays on the weaknesses. This is the reason I heavily oppose dumbing down the games and why I generally dislike too easy and powerfull things.

[Redcap375]

3 minutes ago, mariouus said:

Dependes on persons preference. Best does not mean strongest. 

 

Sinop is defenetly stronger. But due the fact that WG have gone great lenghts do make its most effective playstyle as simple as possible. It is not challenging - meaning not interesting.

 

Why I consider Colorado the best. Is that it requires alot of awareness and skill do deploy efficently (is challanging). But if you do thing correctly, it performs admirably.

 

 And for me, if something is not interesting, I am going do play it in a way it is interesting. But this usually means playing it in the ways and roles that plays on the weaknesses. This is the reason I heavily oppose dumbing down the games and why I generally dislike too easy and powerfull things.

 

So in your opinion, it's the better player experience then? Ok, i get you and understand.

But i would always recommend the Sinop to casual/new players.

[mcboernester]

@OP works fine , its from beginning of this year

 

1 hour ago, mariouus said:

I am starting do think that I am weird.

 

I really like the Colorado, still think it is overally the best Tier.VII BB (Sinop, while mutch stronger, is really dull and is really boring do play). And I really-really liked the M3 Lee aswell.

I prefer Statistics. If you like the ship that's fine by all means, but in comparison it's the weakest BB right now. 

 

[mariouus]

1 hour ago, Redcap375 said:

But i would always recommend the Sinop to casual/new players.

Ofcourse.

 

At the same time. Saying that Colorado is weak is wrong. It does need thinking ahead. Colorado only real weaknes is it speed. It is fairly good combination of protection, firepower, survivability and manouvrability.

 

1 hour ago, mcboernester said:

I prefer Statistics. If you like the ship that's fine by all means, but in comparison it's the weakest BB right now. 

Me aswell. I can not say that Colorado is weak.

 

After re-buying it. I played have 186.battles.In my percpective, statistically speaking, Colorado is far better than any other BB in tier.VII and also in tier.VIII I have played

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I liked the Colorado back then, have fond memories blapping citadel's like a Mofo. But I'm sure I wouldn't want to sail her again in the current state of the game....

[Ronchabale]

Colorado can land some dev strikes but still, yeah, its horrible, so do a few games in her and free xp the rest to the North Carolina