fix a guns for tirpitz and bismark

[varoshanin]

i want to know why tirpitz and bismark  and siegfried who had same guns 380 mm L/52 SK C/34 , but not same accuracy????  dispersion in tirpitz and bismark guns are 270 m but on siegfried its 175m.

So i just want to fix accuracy for tirpitz and bismark they deserve that. thanks

[ColonelPete]

If it is not broken, you cannot fix it.

Hint: You are talking about different classes...

[KillStealBoss]

Cause Siegfried is going to be a cruiser on T9, Tirpitz and Bismarck are BBs. And German BBs are not accurate. 

[Benser33]

35 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

i want to know why tirpitz and bismark  and siegfried who had same guns 380 mm L/52 SK C/34 , but not same accuracy????  dispersion in tirpitz and bismark guns are 270 m but on siegfried its 175m.

So i just want to fix accuracy for tirpitz and bismark they deserve that. thanks

For ingame balance reasons different ships uses different models of dispersion.

DD dispersion > Cruiser dispersion > Large cruiser dispersion > BB dispersion. There are 10 dispersion models in total.

 

Bismarck and Tirpitz use the German/Italian/French BB Dispersion model.

Seigfried, despite being a large cruiser, has had her dispersion improved to normal cruiser dispersion due to only having 6 guns and being tier 9.

 

There is no reasonable argument for why Bismarck and Tirpitz should be allowed to have the same dispersion as a tier 9 cruiser with 6 guns when they have more guns and are also lower tier.

[varoshanin]

44 minutes ago, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

For ingame balance reasons different ships uses different models of dispersion.

DD dispersion > Cruiser dispersion > Large cruiser dispersion > BB dispersion. There are 10 dispersion models in total.

 

Bismarck and Tirpitz use the German/Italian/French BB Dispersion model.

Seigfried, despite being a large cruiser, has had her dispersion improved to normal cruiser dispersion due to only having 6 guns and being tier 9.

 

There is no reasonable argument for why Bismarck and Tirpitz should be allowed to have the same dispersion as a tier 9 cruiser with 6 guns when they have more guns and are also lower tier.

why than use same gun?!?!?!  so you want to if they have same mechanics on gun, same ballistics, same parts, same shells , but suddenly  they are not have same accuracy because they are BBs? they have some drunk sailors? cmon , that not reason , because  they have same damage and same reload, they MUST have same accuracy !! if you want to be different , change guns!!!

[varoshanin]

1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

Cause Siegfried is going to be a cruiser on T9, Tirpitz and Bismarck are BBs. And German BBs are not accurate. 

that not a reason, Siegrfied will do a lot more damage on same guns and same reload... and they will be harder to hit because they agile than BBs

 

[varoshanin]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

If it is not broken, you cannot fix it.

Hint: You are talking about different classes...

i dont talk about classes of ships  i talk about guns... if they want to make different accuracy than change guns...

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, varoshanin said:

why than use same gun?!?!?!  so you want to if they have same mechanics on gun, same ballistics, same parts, same shells , but suddenly  they are not have same accuracy because they are BBs? they have some drunk sailors? cmon , that not reason , because  they have same damage and same reload, they MUST have same accuracy !! if you want to be different , change guns!!!

But that were the guns on the design...

And we have that multiple times in the game! Thank you for finally noticing

Do you even know what game balance is?

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, varoshanin said:

that not a reason, Siegrfied will do a lot more damage on same guns and same reload... and they will be harder to hit because they agile than BBs

 

It is the reason. Siegfried though has much worse armor than Bismarck. And has 6 guns only. That's why they gave it better accuracy. If you're not happy about it - your problem.

[KillStealBoss]

5 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

why than use same gun?!?!?!  so you want to if they have same mechanics on gun, same ballistics, same parts, same shells , but suddenly  they are not have same accuracy because they are BBs? they have some drunk sailors? cmon , that not reason , because  they have same damage and same reload, they MUST have same accuracy !! if you want to be different , change guns!!!

Lol. See the Odin. It'll be a new BB on T8. 305mm guns. The Siegfried will be a super cruiser with 380mm. 

Get used to that. 

[varoshanin]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

But that were the guns on the design...

And we have that multiple times in the game! Thank you for finally noticing

Do you even know what game balance is?

 i know what is balance is but , on one to  one on 15 km  siegfrid will kill tirpitz because he got  better accuracy on same gun,  that not balance, that its just sh....t

 

[varoshanin]

3 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Lol. See the Odin. It'll be a new BB on T8. 305mm guns. The Siegfried will be a super cruiser with 380mm. 

Get used to that. 

im used  on WG to make more and more OP ships like smolensk and siegrfied probably but than give a chance old ships to def with same guns

 

[varoshanin]

5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Lol. See the Odin. It'll be a new BB on T8. 305mm guns. The Siegfried will be a super cruiser with 380mm. 

Get used to that. 

but  i asked someone from wg team not you people who doesnt know anything about that , just blablabing on other posts...

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, varoshanin said:

im used  on WG to make more and more OP ships like smolensk and siegrfied probably but than give a chance old ships to def with same guns

 

Well they have something called armor to angle. Siegfried doesn't have much armour against 406mm+ shells.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

 i know what is balance is but , on one to  one on 15 km  siegfrid will kill tirpitz because he got  better accuracy on same gun,  that not balance, that its just sh....t

This game is not about one on one balance.

And I seriously doubt your claim.

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, varoshanin said:

but  i asked someone from wg team not you people who doesnt know anything about that , just blablabing on other posts...

 

So next time quote. Ah yeah, you don't even know those who are the community contributors and WG staff. Lol.

[rurkovsky]

well, server stats shows exacly how bad Tirpitz is. Worst t8 BB by far and Yes, both german BBs deserve buff.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, rurkovsky said:

well, server stats shows exacly how bad Tirpitz is. Worst t8 BB by far and Yes, both german BBs deserve buff.

You are badly informed:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190824/eu_2month/average_ship.html

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, rurkovsky said:

well, server stats shows exacly how bad Tirpitz is. Worst t8 BB by far and Yes, both german BBs deserve buff.

It's not shining but it's not the worst.

[rurkovsky]

Am I?
 

 

ps. OK, i know that Tirpitz is usually newbies first choice in premium shop, we all know why. But siriously her guns are just terrible. 

[KillStealBoss]

25 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

they MUST have same accuracy !!

 

[Hanse77SWE]

4 minutes ago, rurkovsky said:

well, server stats shows exacly how bad Tirpitz is. Worst t8 BB by far and Yes, both german BBs deserve buff.

Tirpitz has bad stats bc she the "go-to"-ship for new players. Everybody wants her, buy her and then make a piss-poor performance in her. That's why.

German BBs are build around survival, not firepower and not alot of newbies know that or how to play her.

I sucked in her at first (40% WR) but I brought her back some.

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, rurkovsky said:

Am I?

Yes.

You are comparing stats from different times and metas.

[Benser33]

39 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

why than use same gun?!?!?!  so you want to if they have same mechanics on gun, same ballistics, same parts, same shells , but suddenly  they are not have same accuracy because they are BBs? they have some drunk sailors? cmon , that not reason , because  they have same damage and same reload, they MUST have same accuracy !! if you want to be different , change guns!!!

Maybe they should instead nerf Seigfried down to Bismarck and Tirpitz levels. The new german T9 large cruiser can have the same armament as Gneisenau in every way, including accuracy. That'll be fun.

 

Come up with whatever fantasy reason you like to justify it. The german BB dispersion model is designed to be used by ships who are heavily armored, to the point of resisting a lot of HE penetration and BB calibre overmatching, with a lot of HP, a number of good secondaries, fast turning guns and fast reloading guns. Or simply, the BB dispersion model is for brawlers, the german BBs have this poor accuracy to balance them, that is the real reason.

 

Seigfried is not a brawler, it is more of a long range combatant. We would not give the gun dispersion designed for brawlers to Siegfried and equally we would not give the sniper dispersion to the german BBs.

 

There is not a single BB in the game using the cruiser dispersion model, Bismarck and Tirpitz are designed to have bad accuracy so thinking that there is any possibility they would be buffed to being the most accurate ships in the game is just ridiculous.

 

40 minutes ago, varoshanin said:

but  i asked someone from wg team not you people who doesnt know anything about that , just blablabing on other posts...

If you cannot understand why it would be ridiculous to buff Bismarck and Tirpitz (and Gneisenaus) dispersion by almost 40% and you absolutely must have an answer from WG instead I invite you to pose the question to Sub_Octavian who is still hosting a 5 day Q&A on reddit;

 

[varoshanin]

7 hours ago, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

Maybe they should instead nerf Seigfried down to Bismarck and Tirpitz levels. The new german T9 large cruiser can have the same armament as Gneisenau in every way, including accuracy. That'll be fun.

 

Come up with whatever fantasy reason you like to justify it. The german BB dispersion model is designed to be used by ships who are heavily armored, to the point of resisting a lot of HE penetration and BB calibre overmatching, with a lot of HP, a number of good secondaries, fast turning guns and fast reloading guns. Or simply, the BB dispersion model is for brawlers, the german BBs have this poor accuracy to balance them, that is the real reason.

 

Seigfried is not a brawler, it is more of a long range combatant. We would not give the gun dispersion designed for brawlers to Siegfried and equally we would not give the sniper dispersion to the german BBs.

 

There is not a single BB in the game using the cruiser dispersion model, Bismarck and Tirpitz are designed to have bad accuracy so thinking that there is any possibility they would be buffed to being the most accurate ships in the game is just ridiculous.

 

If you cannot understand why it would be ridiculous to buff Bismarck and Tirpitz (and Gneisenaus) dispersion by almost 40% and you absolutely must have an answer from WG instead I invite you to pose the question to Sub_Octavian who is still hosting a 5 day Q&A on reddit;

 

ok thx i will try there....