Does Detonation Mechanic actually have any Use in this Game aside from annoying People ?

[SpartanFretum]

After the last couple of updates, you messed up the code so badly that in almost every game you see a detonation. So fix your mistake and stop being so incompetent for once in your life. The game is a joke. I got a detonation on my kremlin today on 72k hp remaining from 1 hipper torp on the nose. Pathetic.

[MAD_3R_Marauder]

5 hours ago, Miessa3 said:

Not so sure.

Renember Cruisers and especially BBs are less prone to detonations.

If you played 1000 matches with DDs only and not flag and module i would estimate more than 10 detonations.

Doesn't matter though. The whole concept is flawed as it adds nothing of value to the game for anyone beyond the 50% WR mark.

I agree with both statements you make, but just because you spiked my curiosity, I just checked.

I have

400 matches in BBs

760 matches in cruisers

and 550 matches in DDs.

Obviously, I don't know how many detonations happened in each class, but even if all of them happened in my DD matches, it would still be only 3% of matches, I detonated.

[Jethro_Grey]

That's how it was ever since WG changed it so that you can't detonate from full HP. 

You could detonate a Yamato with US DD guns, which was hilarious. 

 

And since you got detonated, the joke's on you. ^^ 

Besides, you won't detonate the next 10 games, so enjoy a little bit of freedom.  

 

Personally, i rather enjoy detonating other people, the only thing that irks me about that mechanic is that the other guy receives 10 Signals and an achievement for basically doing nothing. THAT is the part that WG should fix. 

[SpartanFretum]

4 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

That's how it was ever since WG changed it so that you can't detonate from full HP. 

You could detonate a Yamato with US DD guns, which was hilarious. 

 

And since you got detonated, the joke's on you. ^^ 

Besides, you won't detonate the next 10 games, so enjoy a little bit of freedom.  

 

Personally, i rather enjoy detonating other people, the only thing that irks me about that mechanic is that the other guy receives 10 Signals and an achievement for basically doing nothing. THAT is the part that WG should fix. 

read before you write something. I mentioned that on the last couple updates you can see the detonation ratio increased. That was due to bad coding. I know how it was and when it changed, but when you see a ship that you had 300 battles and never had a detonation before, playing now and get detonated EVERY match, then you know that something changed. 

[Jethro_Grey]

11 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

read before you write something. I mentioned that on the last couple updates you can see the detonation ratio increased. That was due to bad coding. I know how it was and when it changed, but when you see a ship that you had 300 battles and never had a detonation before, playing now and get detonated EVERY match, then you know that something changed. 

I do read before i write something.

 

And how do you know that it was increased? Based on your personal experience? 

That's a rather small sample size to make such a claim.

 

Unless of course, you have hard facts to support your claim? 

[Egoleter]

Was there really a need for another thread about this, while there is still an active one?

 

[SpartanFretum]

9 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

I do read before i write something.

 

And how do you know that it was increased? Based on your personal experience? 

That's a rather small sample size to make such a claim.

 

Unless of course, you have hard facts to support your claim? 

based on my and on every member of my clan. Simple as that. We cant all be crazy

[Tyrendian89]

hello confirmation bias my old friend

I've come to talk with you again...

[Jethro_Grey]

Just now, Maniattack said:

based on my and on every member of my clan. Simple as that. We cant all be crazy

That's no evidence, personal experience means jack in this context. 

Too small sample size to be taken seriously. 

 

Besides, you were detonated 92 times in nearly 9k battles, which is a ridiculously low number.

 

 

[principat121]

36 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

you can see the detonation ratio increased

Source?

Any data to share?

[SpartanFretum]

9 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

That's no evidence, personal experience means jack in this context. 

Too small sample size to be taken seriously. 

 

Besides, you were detonated 92 times in nearly 9k battles, which is a ridiculously low number.

 

 

And that's what I am saying. ships that never had a detonation problem before, they get detonation in EVERY game lately. What don't you understand? Today in 5 games, I witnessed a detonation in all 5 games, either from mine or enemy team....

[principat121]

13 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

And that's what I am saying. ships that never had a detonation problem before, they get detonation in EVERY game lately. What don't you understand? Today in 5 games, I witnessed a detonation in all 5 games, either from mine or enemy team....

May I introduce you to a friend of mine. He is called probability. 

Maybe you should get to know each other! 

[Jethro_Grey]

13 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

That's no evidence, personal experience means jack in this context. 

Too small sample size to be taken seriously. 

 

Besides, you were detonated 92 times in nearly 9k battles, which is a ridiculously low number.

 

 

This is what i said, then you said:

 

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And that's what I am saying.

So, you agree with me, that's good! You made your first step...

 

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ships that never had a detonation problem before, they get detonation in EVERY game lately.

...here we go again. HOW would you know? You do NOT have Access to WGs Server wide data.

Where is your evidence?

 

You're also quite wrong, EVERY ship can - and also could be - be detonated (except CVs for some reason).



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What don't you understand?



Oh, i do understand. You, on the other hand...

 

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Today in 5 games, I witnessed a detonation in all 5 games, either from mine or enemy team....

 

So? That does not mean that detonations have increased, cause i haven't seen a detonation in days.

 

 

14 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Source?

Any data to share?

Has anyone ever provided hard facts/ data/ replays when pressed? 

 

But to answer your questions:

1. Himself, his gut feeling and hearsay from his clan mates.

2. Well no, but he has seen it! 



[SpartanFretum]

4 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

This is what i said, then you said:

 

So, you agree with me, that's good! You made your first step...

 

...here we go again. HOW would you know? You do NOT have Access to WGs Server wide data.

Where is your evidence?

 

You're also quite wrong, EVERY ship can - and also could be - be detonated (except CVs for some reason).





Oh, i do understand. You, on the other hand...

 

 

So? That does not mean that detonations have increased, cause i haven't seen a detonation in days.

 

 

Has anyone ever provided hard facts/ data/ replays when pressed? 

 

But to answer your questions:

1. Himself, his gut feeling and hearsay from his clan mates.

2. Well no, but he has seen it! 



so, you are trying to prove me wrong, without any fact as well. You just trying to prove someones observation wrong, because of your doubt... Are you some kind of crazy, or you just sucking wg? Hoping to get something in return?

[Tyrendian89]

8 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

so, you are trying to prove me wrong, without any fact as well. You just trying to prove someones observation wrong, because of your doubt... Are you some kind of crazy, or you just sucking wg? Hoping to get something in return?

...you came here making outlandish claims and hilarious accusations. We do not need to prove you wrong in the slightest. You, on the other hand, would need to produce a lot of evidence if you wanted to be taken seriously...

[Jethro_Grey]

8 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

so, you are trying to prove me wrong, without any fact as well. You just trying to prove someones observation wrong, because of your doubt... Are you some kind of crazy, or you just sucking wg? Hoping to get something in return?

 

You're not the first one that makes unfounded claims, and as everybody before you, you fail to deliver evidence.

And, as everybody before you, you resort to Insults. 

 

The only thing i get is the satisfaction watching ships with <75% HP blow up and the rather painful reminder, that the bloke i just blew up gets an achievement and some signals in return, while i have to make due with a short moment of happiness and an evil grin on my face. 

 

Should we ever meet in battle, i hope you're having a Detonation signal mounted.

Imagine all the fun i'm gonna have if you don't… 

[thiextar]

@Maniattack here comes some facts to prove you wrong:

 

say there is a 1% chance that any given ship detonates during a battle. The inverse is 99%, there are 24 ships in a match. the chance that some ship detonates in a match is then 1-0.99^24 = 0.214 aka 21% chance. 

 

running with these numbers, we can create a simple python script to simulate the chance to NOT get 5 matches in a row with detonations during the course of 1000 battles:

import random

def detonation(probability):
    return random.random() < probability

def streak(numrolls = 1000, runthreshold = 5):
    rolls = (detonation(0.214) for x in range(numrolls))
    streaklen = 0
    for roll in rolls:
        if roll == True:
            streaklen += 1
        else:
            streaklen = 1
        if streaklen >= runthreshold:
            return False
        prev = roll
    return True

def simulate(numtrials):
    return sum(1 for x in range(numtrials) if streak())/float(numtrials)

print(simulate(10000))

Running that simulation we get a chance of aproximately 19% to NOT get 5 matches in a row with detonations in them, aka an 81% chance to get atleast 1 streak of 5 matches with detonations.

 

tl;dr in a random system, streaks happen.

 

[pra3y]

May RNGesus bless you with detonations every single game so that your complaints are legitimize

 

[bushwacker001]

1 hour ago, Maniattack said:

so, you are trying to prove me wrong, without any fact as well. You just trying to prove someones observation wrong, because of your doubt... Are you some kind of crazy, or you just sucking wg? Hoping to get something in return?

My observations are I haven't seen a detonation in game for months and I haven't been detonated since January 2016 so as far as I can see WG has got rid of detonations.  

 

Oh yea, forgot to say, I play with an anti det flag in every random/ranked battle so that I don't run crying to the forum.....ever. 

[SpartanFretum]

I see a lot of WG fan boys around here. Didn't expect anything else than that. Detonation increase is a fact observed by many players that I have talked to. As about who is crying to the forum, that cant be me, cause as you see unlike the most attention whores here, I have only 50something posts to the forum, meaning, I don't give a _ _ _ _ , and I don't expect anything to be fixed from a company that still claims its a beta game after so many years. I will reply to any official WG staff if needed (I doubt they will answer on this subject) For the rest... Keep trolling ladies

[Jethro_Grey]

30 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

I see a lot of WG fan boys around here. Didn't expect anything else than that. Detonation increase is a fact observed by many players that I have talked to. As about who is crying to the forum, that cant be me, cause as you see unlike the most attention whores here, I have only 50something posts to the forum, meaning, I don't give a _ _ _ _ , and I don't expect anything to be fixed from a company that still claims its a beta game after so many years. I will reply to any official WG staff if needed (I doubt they will answer on this subject) For the rest... Keep trolling ladies

So everyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy and a troll?

Hm, pretty much the same comment everyone else is giving when they make unfounded claims and fail to prove them.

You could however ask your friends to chim in and say something...no? Who would have thought...

 

If you don't give a **** and don't expect WG to 'fix' these mysterious detonation increases, that only you - and the people you have talked to (if they exist) have witnessed, why creating a thread in the first place?

 

Here's a picture of the last guy waiting for a official WG response to such a thread.

 

 

Good luck.

 

P.S. Those of us who are occasionally trolling, don't need to be asked to do so.

[Kenjiro_]

3 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

EVERY ship can - and also could be - be detonated (except CVs for some reason).

 

AFAIK, detonation chance triggers when a main battery magazine is penetrated or torpedoed. Well CVs don't have main batteries so they don't detonate... 

[principat121]

36 minutes ago, Maniattack said:

Detonation increase is a fact observed by many players that I have talked to.

Can you back up this claim with (objective) data? Because it is a known fact, that people claiming some strange things often are just wrong. They just think that their subjective point of view is unbiased. But that is wrong! Only objective data don't lie! Bring it on! Show us some files showing the amount of detonation over a specific period of time and battles played under consideration of the ship classes. 

 

Can you? Or do you just steam a little bit off? 

[TheAlba2014]

1 hour ago, Maniattack said:

I see a lot of WG fan boys around here. Didn't expect anything else than that. Detonation increase is a fact observed by many players that I have talked to. As about who is crying to the forum, that cant be me, cause as you see unlike the most attention whores here, I have only 50something posts to the forum, meaning, I don't give a _ _ _ _ , and I don't expect anything to be fixed from a company that still claims its a beta game after so many years. I will reply to any official WG staff if needed (I doubt they will answer on this subject) For the rest... Keep trolling ladies

Someone has been taking lessons from the "School of Tru*p"

 

Fake News I tell you, many good good great friends of mine have said so

[Logan_MountStuart]

Just to test this in my games tonight I kept a particular eye out for detonations, in 11 battle from T6 to TX, there was only 1 detonation, a full health Kagero single torped by a Mintoaur.

Its one of those things you do only notice when it happens to you but I genuinely do not believe it is that common.