Question to those who have a Colbert

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

If you have a Colbert, I would be interested to know how you like it so far.

 

The Colbert stats say that you can usually only make use of 14 guns, meaning 239 RPM (x 7% firechance) and 503k HE DPM.

Meanwhile Smolensk has all 16 guns available at a 31 degree angle, meaning 213 RPM (x 8% firechance) and 383k HE DPM.

 

Considering the better ballistics on Smolensk, I would be really interested how you like the Colbert in comparison.

Does the french open water playstyle really work on Colbert?

[ClappingLollies]

Don't have the Colbert, but i can only say it seems to be much easier to deal with when on the enemy team than the Smolensk. 

[Alfa_Tau]

Just got my Smolensk in the Armory: Cannot say about Colbert because I simply don't want to bother myself regrind lines etc etc

However I can tell you this: Smolensk is pure fun. Even in match with Tier X CV it still can be used with success due to the great AA and ofc the smoke.

The latter IMO is what makes the BIG difference between this cruiser and the other HE spammers.  Probably Colbert is also good but  as I said the simple fact that I have to grind several lines to have it…. for me is no thanks, 

(not mentioning the big loss of Silver, selling and buying ships , and the need to retrain capt.)

I am also curios about the real stats of Colbert as apparently WG was going to nerf it a bit before release. 

Good luck with your post.

 

[KillStealBoss]

@GarrusBrutus

[Hopeless_Guppy]

A ship i want, but first maybe I ought to improve in my cruiser play, I feel more clan divisions coming on, yaaay

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Colbert has a way higher skill floor than the smolensk not just because of lack of smoke but also because she has rainbow shells arcs. Meaning it is much harder to aim and get consistent stream of fire.

 

Whilst also trying to avoid all incoming fire, its gameplay is similar to the Atlanta but there is only so much you can do behind an island eventually you have to go open water and if you do pick the right time or you get deleted. Simple as that...

 

I say go safe go smolensk

[Mr_Snoww]

colbert can fire all its guns when its facing full broadside at around 12.6km.  also no it is definitely not an open water ship. if you blow on it, it explodes. think of it as small Worcester on speed

[GarrusBrutus]

I haven't played it a lot yet but the matches I played I felt underwhelmed. Partially due to the ship being hyped up by the community because of its ridiculous HE Dpm (on paper!!!). 

 

In reality tho... 

 

Imagine having an Atlanta without IFHE. That's what the colbert feels like. You have insane RoF but your effective damage output is nowhere near that of a worcester for example. Kremlin, Yamato and GK just laugh in my face while I sprinkle them with tiny 127mm shells. Bounce, shatter, bounce, shatter... Etc. If you have to kill a T10 bb by lighting it on fire you're gonna have a bad time. 

 

Unlike smolensk you cannot smoke up everywhere you want. So positioning is really important. Sadly, you can't openwater gunboat because of your paper-thin armor. If a BB looks at you funny you lose 50%-80% of your HP. The floaty shells arcs enable you to shoot over islands but it's very hard to hit targets beyond 14km. 

 

She is still very new to me so I have to play a bit more to familiarise myself with all her characteristics. But from what Ive experienced so far..... 

 

Mehh. I rate 5/10.

 

I get more out of every other T10 CA. Smolensk outperforms her in dpm output and worcester beats her in utility. 

 

And now back to my cocktail on the beach. Have a nice day all! o7

[KillStealBoss]

5 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

I haven't played it a lot yet but the matches I played I felt underwhelmed. Partially due to the ship being hyped up by the community because of its ridiculous HE Dpm (on paper!!!). 

 

In reality tho... 

 

Imagine having an Atlanta without IFHE. That's what the colbert feels like. You have insane RoF but your effective damage output is nowhere near that of a worcester for example. Kremlin, Yamato and GK just laugh in my face while I sprinkle them with tiny 127mm shells. Bounce, shatter, bounce, shatter... Etc. If you have to kill a T10 bb by lighting it on fire you're gonna have a bad time. 

 

Unlike smolensk you cannot smoke up everywhere you want. So positioning is really important. Sadly, you can't openwater gunboat because of your paper-thin armor. If a BB looks at you funny you lose 50%-80% of your HP. The floaty shells arcs enable you to shoot over islands but it's very hard to hit targets beyond 14km. 

 

She is still very new to me so I have to play a bit more to familiarise myself with all her characteristics. But from what Ive experienced so far..... 

 

Mehh. I rate 5/10.

 

I get more out of every other T10 CA. Smolensk outperforms her in dpm output and worcester beats her in utility. 

 

And now back to my cocktail on the beach. Have a nice day all! o7

So..... it’s a pass. Maybe better getting those RB points for Ohio?

so in your opinion she’s even worse than Bayard?

[Sir_Grzegorz]

20 hours ago, Alfa_Tau said:

and the need to retrain capt

why? Captains are send to reserve why you need to retrain them?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

10 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

So..... it’s a pass. Maybe better getting those RB points for Ohio?

 

That one now has normal BB dispersion with 0.8.7 stats.

That is a huge nerf in gunpower compared to Monty and it remains to be seen where WG is going with the ship.

 

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so in your opinion she’s even worse than Bayard?

 

Bayard is an amazing ship, especially for CW, and only bad for the less-skilled under us.

[Redcap375]

15 hours ago, Mr_Snoww said:

colbert can fire all its guns when its facing full broadside at around 12.6km.  also no it is definitely not an open water ship. if you blow on it, it explodes. think of it as small Worcester on speed

 

15 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

I haven't played it a lot yet but the matches I played I felt underwhelmed. Partially due to the ship being hyped up by the community because of its ridiculous HE Dpm (on paper!!!). 

 

In reality tho... 

 

Imagine having an Atlanta without IFHE. That's what the colbert feels like. You have insane RoF but your effective damage output is nowhere near that of a worcester for example. Kremlin, Yamato and GK just laugh in my face while I sprinkle them with tiny 127mm shells. Bounce, shatter, bounce, shatter... Etc. If you have to kill a T10 bb by lighting it on fire you're gonna have a bad time. 

 

Unlike smolensk you cannot smoke up everywhere you want. So positioning is really important. Sadly, you can't openwater gunboat because of your paper-thin armor. If a BB looks at you funny you lose 50%-80% of your HP. The floaty shells arcs enable you to shoot over islands but it's very hard to hit targets beyond 14km. 

 

She is still very new to me so I have to play a bit more to familiarise myself with all her characteristics. But from what Ive experienced so far..... 

 

Mehh. I rate 5/10.

 

I get more out of every other T10 CA. Smolensk outperforms her in dpm output and worcester beats her in utility. 

 

And now back to my cocktail on the beach. Have a nice day all! o7

 

Thought just as much as you've described, just what i thought.

 

Thanks.  

 

No interest in the Colbert whatsoever.  Smoke is just so good for a HE spammer (please see kuts) and i love using the 130MM guns like the Groz.

 

How the Smol managed to be sold for coal is beyond me (It's a steel ship), but at least more people can get it which i'm always for.  If anything, i thought the Colbert would be coal. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 minute ago, Redcap375 said:

How the Smol managed to be sold for coal is beyond me (It's a steel ship), but at least more people can get it which i'm always for.  If anything, i thought the Colbert would be coal. 

 

I was surprised by that as well, espcially since the release version of the Somers (steel) has quite underwhelming guns after the nerf.

[Greyshark]

20 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

If you have a Colbert, I would be interested to know how you like it so far.

 

The Colbert stats say that you can usually only make use of 14 guns, meaning 239 RPM (x 7% firechance) and 503k HE DPM.

Meanwhile Smolensk has all 16 guns available at a 31 degree angle, meaning 213 RPM (x 8% firechance) and 383k HE DPM.

 

Considering the better ballistics on Smolensk, I would be really interested how you like the Colbert in comparison.

Does the french open water playstyle really work on Colbert?

I have both of them.

 

I like very much Le Terrible, so the french style of playing Colbert suits me a lot. The point of playing this ship is to be in constant movement, using speed boost all the time when available, and it works pretty good for me. About Smolensk... well, I can't understand this ship. Spamming from smoke doesn't work for me, because it's easy target for enemy shells. French style open water gameplay? It's slower nad turns worse than Colbert, so it doesn't work for me neither. Let's see the numbers (all games solo):

 

Colbert:

 

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On the other hand, Smolensk...

 

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well... yeah.

 

[GarrusBrutus]

18 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

So..... it’s a pass. Maybe better getting those RB points for Ohio?

so in your opinion she’s even worse than Bayard?

I don't have the Bayard so I can't make that call. :) 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

11 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

I have both of them.

 

I like very much Le Terrible, so the french style of playing Colbert suits me a lot. The point of playing this ship is to me in constant movement, using speed boost all the time when available, and it works pretty good for me. About Smolensk... well, I can't understand this ship. Spamming from smoke doesn't work for me, because it's easy target for enemy shells. French style open water gameplay? It's slower nad turns worse than Colbert, so it doesn't work for me neither. Let's see the numbers (all games solo):

 

Colbert:

 

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On the other hand, Smolensk...

 

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well... yeah.

 

 

Seems that the Smolensk guns are actually working much better for you.

 

The difference in WR doesn't say much at that small sample size.

But if you put it in relation to the average XP, you seem to be doing better in Smolensk.

[Greyshark]

Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

But if you put in in relation to the average XP, you seem to be doing better in Smolensk.

Why? It's 1716 on Colbert vs 1415 on Smolensk.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Just now, Greyshark said:

Why? It's 1716 on Colbert vs 1415 on Smolensk.

 

1716 at 71%

vs

1415 at 7%.

 

A win will give you +50% XP, so the Smolensk seems to be giving you more XP without that bonus.

[Uglesett]

2 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

Why? It's 1716 on Colbert vs 1415 on Smolensk.

21% more average exp, but with a ten times higher win rate.

 

With the win bonus, you should have somewhere around 40% more average exp in the Colbert if their performance was the same.

[Greyshark]

6 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

1716 at 71%

vs

1415 at 7%.

 

A win will give you +50% XP, so the Smolensk seems to be giving you more XP without that bonus.

 

3 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

21% more average exp, but with a ten times higher win rate.

 

With the win bonus, you should have somewhere around 40% more average exp in the Colbert if their performance was the same.

Yes, you both are right. Well, assuming that both ships have the same or very similar exp modificator.

Looking at dmg and exp I do better in Smolensk, just you know, the main objective of playing a battle is to win, and in this matter Smolensk for me is really exceptional. In bad meaning.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

9 minutes ago, Greyshark said:

Yes, you both are right. Well, assuming that both ships have the same or very similar exp modificator.

Looking at dmg and exp I do better in Smolensk, just you know, the main objective of playing a battle is to win, and in this matter Smolensk for me is really exceptional. In bad meaning.

 

Don't get me wrong, but unless you did those 39k average damage in Colbert purely on DDs, your team was probably not carried by that.

Your spotting damage is also higher in Smolensk btw. and average frags are the same.

[Greyshark]

Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Don't get me wrong, but unless you did those 39k average damage in Colbert purely on DDs, your team was probably not carried by that.

Your spotting damage is also higher in Smolensk btw.

I understand you. Obviously both ships are new for me, and somtimes I have battles with over 100k dmg, and sometimes I just get killed with one salvo at beginning of the battle dealing less than 10k. But, if the teams are carrying me playing Colbert, why they don't do that when I play Smolensk?

 

Conspiracy theory: I paid for Colbert while Smolensk I got for free ;)

 

So maybe different way: why I like more Colbert? Because of the style, because she has more HP, is faster, more manouverable than Smolensk, has better RPM. For smoke spamming, Minotaur is in my opinion way better than Smolensk.

[Alfa_Tau]

1 hour ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

why? Captains are send to reserve why you need to retrain them?

assume your capt. is trained for Tier X Kremlin. If you "restart" the USSR BB line your capt go to reserve BUT he will still be trained for Kremlin.

When you regrind the line and suppose you want to put him on Izmail (tier VI) you will need retrain or his perk/skill will be at 50%.

You have to do this for Tier VI to Tier X. Total 5 Tiers: how much is gonna cost? a Ton of Capt Exp. points or 2250 Dobloons.

 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

22 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

If you have a Colbert, I would be interested to know how you like it so far.

 

The Colbert stats say that you can usually only make use of 14 guns, meaning 239 RPM (x 7% firechance) and 503k HE DPM.

Meanwhile Smolensk has all 16 guns available at a 31 degree angle, meaning 213 RPM (x 8% firechance) and 383k HE DPM.

 

Considering the better ballistics on Smolensk, I would be really interested how you like the Colbert in comparison.

Does the french open water playstyle really work on Colbert?

Dont have Colbert only Smolensk and loving it. Flambass, whos opinion i value to some degree, said after playing both for many games that after playing Smolensk he has Zero interest in getting Colbert. He thinks its just a pale copy with less good features lite gun ballistics, angles and smoke.

 

Seems like WG hid the wrong HE Spam cruiser behind the grind of research bureau! 

[Redcap375]

16 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Seems like WG hid the wrong HE Spam cruiser behind the grind of research bureau! 

 

Yes they did.

 

I completely concur. I Should not be doing this kinda damage in a Light Cruiser.

 

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The Colbert is a death trap in the hands of a casual player. It's an Atlanta at tier 10 but without smoke. I have no interest what-so-ever getting it.

 

Speed boast is great if the player knows who to use it, but gunning in the open with a basically low HP Light Crusier sends most players back to the port. 

 

Casual players can at least gun and throw HE in smoke. The Smol armour is crazy too, light enough for alot of overpens but heavy enough deck armour to stop DD and light cruisers. The armour layout looks like it's just been welded together with Heavy cruiser and DD parts. 

 

1 hour ago, Greyshark said:

So maybe different way: why I like more Colbert? Because of the style, because she has more HP, is faster, more manouverable than Smolensk, has better RPM. For smoke spamming, Minotaur is in my opinion way better than Smolensk.

 

The Mino doesn't start fires for a start.  So 15 fires a match makes a massive difference. 

 

And those pesky DD than can angle and bounce your shells? Yeah, no such luck against a Smol, they get annihilated.

 

Lets not forget the arc shells of the Colbert, where the 130mm are much easier to land shots. 

 

A DD, Smol and a Krem is one hell of a Div.  My advice? Get one now before they discontinue it.