Khaba

[LunchBox78]

Just wanna know why you all hate it so much?

 

I like to play gun boat but in some wired way Khaba it just so fucked up, and not in balance with the game as it is right now...

 

Plz do something so that I can do something for my team again...

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, LunchBox78 said:

Just wanna know why you all hate it so much?

 

I like to play gun boat but in some wired way Khaba it just so fucked up, and not in balance with the game as it is right now...

 

Plz do something so that I can do something for my team again...

The problem are players who play strong ships and still whine about their performance.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190824/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

[Miragetank90]

I love my Khaba though... 

[mtm78]

32 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The problem are players who play strong ships and still whine about their performance.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190824/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

But but let me whine for they nerved Khaba's rudder and gun range just before I unlocked her.... you hear me, they keep nerfing ships I'm almost unlocking ( they started doing this with the perfectly balanced and in no way toxic good 20km shimakaze torps which created the most enjoyable meta ever! But Uncle WeeGee still had to nerf it, because I was close to also be able to spam workable 20km torps whole game *angry mob with pitchforks*.

 

Tbh though I wonder if the performance is skewed a bit by only 'die hards' still playing it, every time I want to take on in division people tell me I got balls for playing it. Seems to be out of grace with the majority of the playerbase, so even if the performance is in line with the rest what it indicates depends on the demographics of the players playing it.

 

Like Shima, looking at the list it should be bad. But I think I'm doing okish enough in it for the amount of games I played it, and that's only after I changed my play style ( I failed at Shima quite hard at first, falling prey to hoping for maximal results with minimal effort ). Changing to RPF build also greatly increased the amount of DD's killed with torps. Anyway, I think Shima suffers from being to popular, meaning that unlike Khaba it also attracts statistically weaker players. 

[ColonelPete]

She is not the most popular ship (no DD can beat Shima there), but she is on a similar level as Daring, Yueyang and Grozo in battles played.

[KillStealBoss]

30 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

She is not the most popular ship (no DD can beat Shima there), but she is on a similar level as Daring, Yueyang and Grozo in battles played.

People are playing in the YY? That’s new.

[mtm78]

32 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

She is not the most popular ship (no DD can beat Shima there), but she is on a similar level as Daring, Yueyang and Grozo in battles played.

 

Yeah got to admit that surprises the hell out of me, outside of myself I never seen a Khaba in the wild I think recently :s But stats don't lie, almost 20k games. 

 

I thought the stats you linked to earlier were total averages, including the Khaba happy times ( pre convoy rebalance ) I should have looked better. 

[ReapingKnight]

This isn't the first post about the Khaba not being the same as before but when people bring up the global stats I kinda think they shoild be split between gun boats and torp boats.

 

Wouldn't that also help WG balance them against each other?

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, ReapingKnight said:

This isn't the first post about the Khaba not being the same as before but when people bring up the global stats I kinda think they shoild be split between gun boats and torp boats.

 

Wouldn't that also help WG balance them against each other?

No.

WR is the impact on the match. The higher the WR, the higher the positive impact.

 

Btw. these stats are not global. It is just the EU stats. It may look a bit different on other servers, but does not matter to us.

[Aragathor]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The problem are players who play strong ships and still whine about their performance.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190824/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

What you forgot to mention is that Khaba is the third least played T10 DD with 280 unique players in 2 months, that's less than 10% of the players that play Shima (3054).

Second and third place are Gearing with 1119 and Harugumo with 745. Even Z-52 has more than twice as many players with 554, and that's already a ship with few strengths.

 

This is an example how a biased opinion based on a spreadsheet is worthless as it distorts facts to fit a narrative.

 

To everyone else, here's a very nice write up about the Khaba now:

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/cv9l1v/khabarovsk_come_on_guys/

[ColonelPete]

As I said, she has similar number of games as Daring, Grozo and Yueyang.

The stats provided look like this for a long time:

 

If you have data that suggest she is played by a specific playerbase, please provide them.

[Tyrendian89]

4 hours ago, LunchBox78 said:

Plz do something so that I can do something for my team again...

you can do something - play a better ship. Tashkent for instance.

[Ze_Reckless]

9 hours ago, LunchBox78 said:

Plz do something so that I can do something for my team again...

 

Nothing needs to be done. It's easy to farm worthless fire damage, it is hard to do cap and team related stuff. Learn how to do the hard stuff and you will have good games.

Played these today, don't play her often. All 3 battles 2k+ base xp. Khaba is fine.

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Khaba never contributed anything to the team. Its a solo ship, a dmg farmer, flank harraser, broadside maker, attention seeker.

 

Hate still comes from the pre nerf era, before cv rocketplanes, where you could out maneuver the planes.

 

Hate stayed... The reason changed. From annoyance to taken spot in a team where a radar ship could sit type of hate.

[Panocek]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

 

Btw. these stats are not global. It is just the EU stats. It may look a bit different on other servers, but does not matter to us.

But does matter for WG, as they do their balans mostly based on RU stats

[WeGreedy]

3 hours ago, nambr9 said:

Khaba never contributed anything to the team. Its a solo ship, a dmg farmer, flank harraser, broadside maker, attention seeker.

Tanking more than 500k average and having the highest winrate seems pretty helpful for the team.

But she can't cap so yeah... it's a two edged sword.

[mtm78]

28 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Tanking more than 500k average and having the highest winrate seems pretty helpful for the team.

But she can't cap so yeah... it's a two edged sword.

 

It's also that because of being a gunboat it's always spotted when working which gives enemy team easier time when maps are constricted ( islands in places where they can sit behind so I have to get really close to get a reasonable angle on them and still not run into a map border while kiting ). I did 170k dmg or something but tactically I was less useful as a stealth torpedo DD because that would have allowed me to torp from much better angles. If I were in my Shima at the same spot there is a high chance I would get better results because of that. 

 

Also didn't help those BB's I farmed still managed to out trade my own 3 battleships  Guess they were good players ( at least one of them I know from cbt ). 

 

edit: yes I could have switched flanks, probably should have but the moment I realized my team where I was was really struggling so I thought if I'd leave I'd just throw them to the wolves. Maybe I should have pushed more aggressively :(

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, Panocek said:

But does matter for WG, as they do their balans mostly based on RU stats

No, they do not. See CV presentation for that.

[Panocek]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

No, they do not. See CV presentation for that.

And yet WG pulled Kron and Musashi from sales due to serious overpopulation... on RU server, as EU was mostly fine

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And yet WG pulled Kron and Musashi from sales due to serious overpopulation... on RU server, as EU was mostly fine

• that applied to every server
• it is an economic issue, affecting the whole company

[Ydoum]

I missed this thread and made mine an hour ago in Q&A section. Sorry about that.

 

To quote it:

 

Playing the Kiev and Trashcan was quite enjoyable. The flavor of the line was set - long range gunboat with high speed - poor concealment and maneuverability.

 

Then you get to the tier 10.

 

What you get as a bonus:

- slightly more speed

- slightly more HP

- one additional turret

 

What you lose, however, makes the ship a huge downgrade though:

- you lose a ton of range; compared to Trashcan you lose 1km base range

- you gain WG's genius mechanic for the Khaba to take full AP damage from BBs

- you lose 2km range on torps

- you get increased rudder shift time

 

All of the downgrades above account for the ship's lower survivability compared to its predecessors. At least in my case that seems to be the current observation.

This is one of those ships whose techtree line does not make sense once you get to finish it.

 

What's the idea with nerfing its range? I would understand if you could slap on the range upgrade in the last slot, but it's not possible.

 

 

 

PS. I used "Trashcan" as opposed to Tashkent on purpose.

PPS. It's a genuine question I'm asking. I'm not trying to trashtalk the ship, just trying to understand the logic behind its stats.

[Quetak]

when you play it right Khaba has same impact on game as every other DD

solo: 

 

2 minutes ago, Ydoum said:

What you get as a bonus:

- slightly more speed

- slightly more HP

- one additional turret

and ability to bounce even yamato APs/shatter most HE spammers when hit right spot. 

[mtm78]

I have 69% wr with much lower damage ( and 10x less games in it so maybe sample size argument would be valid ), and that just amplifies what I said. Certain situations you are less influential, your damage output in those situations isn't impacting the game results as much. 

[Quetak]

like all ships, in some situations are some ships better than others. But over lots of games this balance somehow when you do your thing. You can hold flank I think better with khaba than with shima. With shima you have torped salvo every two mins and its not so hard to dodge when enemy know where you could be. With khaba its constant two fires you cant avoid and lots of BBs will just turn around - show boardside to team mates ect. I had so many games where I forced 3-5 ships to run at my flank and it so funny to see big ships running from such small ship. Also tanking/dodging 3M+ dmg isnt so rare. Khaba just cant cap alone, but support it can give with its firepower to friendly DDs in cap is huge.

Khaba was much stronger in past but now its still doing okay and dont need any buffs. I still dont have leg.upgrade, it will be maybe better with aditional range. 

Im not playing it often but when I do its fun and I dont feel that its weak, it just isnt typical DD, thats why its not so popular. 

[WeGreedy]

I'd say give her back her old rudder. People have learned to shoot fast ships and compared to french destroyers Khabarovsk's manoeuvrability is lacking.

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