Disappointing premium ships.

[Surge437]

Hello all, after getting access to the closed beta of wows was surprised at how good the game is despite being very rough around the edges in some places,  I could see myself playing the game for some time to come so I decided I wanted to pick up a premium ship, more to support the game than anything, as my fave thing in the game atm is messing around with torps I picked up the Kitakami and holy crap what a turd of a ship.

 

I know that's not a  very technical  description but that ship is hands down no contest the worst ship i have played with in wows and I basically spent the price of a full price game to get it, I mean this thing turns like a battleship takes less punishment than a destroyer and can get spotted from eleven kilometers away when it only has a ten kilometer torp range, even ambush hunting is hard due to the dam thing turning like a whale, it's just... bad in every way, and before the "noob l2p" crowd get in here, even when you have a good game it still doesn't change the fact the ship is totally underpowered for a ship of that tier.

 

The point of all that crying is that I have been left with more than a bit of distrust of spending money on this game and a certainty I will not be spending any more money on a ship that may well end up being totally gimped and while I understand there fear of being labeled "pay to win"  they are making sure nothing premium is over powered, my fear is if they keep releasing ships that don't really compete with ships on the same tier people will just stop buying ships and it would be a shame to see a game with this much potential sink like a kitakami  that bumped into a paper towel.

 

 

[Fominator]

Next patch she'll get smoke, which IMO, doesn't solve any of her problems.

 

There are other threads with Kitakami complaints, always remember to do some research before a purchase, that's the best advice I can give.

[xBamBamx]

Its Beta, ships will be balanced, armour redone along with pretty much everything else before release, premiums included.  If you don't like it do you not have a 14 day refund email or is that only with gold.

[scarlet0pimp]

I have the Atlanta and the Warspite and enjoy playing them both but feel they are both very weak for the tier they are at and should both be dropped down a tier. I don't see why premium ships cant be just as good as ships in the same tier, as long as they are balanced with the ships from that tier its hardly pay to win and if no one buys ships then the game will cease to exist.

 

 

 

[Takeda92]

I have the Atlanta and the Warspite and enjoy playing them both but feel they are both very weak for the tier they are at and should both be dropped down a tier. I don't see why premium ships cant be just as good as ships in the same tier, as long as they are balanced with the ships from that tier its hardly pay to win and if no one buys ships then the game will cease to exist.

 

 

 

because they give extra credits, xp and train captains too. It wouldn't be fair for someone who actually grinded the line, only to find out he can get similar results if he bought a premium plus he will get loads of credits on top of it. No one will play regular ships except for grinding if premiums are as good as them. and matchmaking will be filled with premiums.

[Zenith]

because they give extra credits, xp and train captains too. It wouldn't be fair for someone who actually grinded the line, only to find out he can get similar results if he bought a premium plus he will get loads of credits on top of it. No one will play regular ships except for grinding if premiums are as good as them. and matchmaking will be filled with premiums.

 

Yes, but at the same time, you won't be getting those extra credits and XP if the ship itself isn't competitive for its tier. Premiums are always going to be worse than a fully upgraded non-premium of the same tier, but when they are worse than the stock version... well, that's when you know that the nerfing has been overdone. WG have been guilty of this in the past, especially with the mid-tiers, and it would be a real shame if the practice started to make its way into this game as well. 

[CloakingDonkey]

 

Yes, but at the same time, you won't be getting those extra credits and XP if the ship itself isn't competitive for its tier. Premiums are always going to be worse than a fully upgraded non-premium of the same tier, but when they are worse than the stock version... well, that's when you know that the nerfing has been overdone. WG have been guilty of this in the past, especially with the mid-tiers, and it would be a real shame if the practice started to make its way into this game as well. 

 

It's just so damn inconsistent... cause the Gremyashchiy, Sims and Murmansk are totally fine for their tier.... and yet the kitakami is such a disappointment.

[Takeda92]

 

Yes, but at the same time, you won't be getting those extra credits and XP if the ship itself isn't competitive for its tier. Premiums are always going to be worse than a fully upgraded non-premium of the same tier, but when they are worse than the stock version... well, that's when you know that the nerfing has been overdone. WG have been guilty of this in the past, especially with the mid-tiers, and it would be a real shame if the practice started to make its way into this game as well. 

It depends on the ship. An example from WoT, Chi nu Kai and E-25. CNK is basically the Chi-Nu but with worse depression and better turret armor; easy to balance according the "Premiums are always going to be worse than a fully upgraded non-premium of the same tier." In WoWS we see Omaha vs Murmasnk as an example.

However, when the premium is something entirely different from the regular one (E-25 vs Jpanther) balancing becomes problematic. How do you balance Kitakami against Myoukou? how do you know it's better than Stock but worse than elite Myoukou if the 2 ships are completely different? And people call Myoukou weak mind you, so the problem is general balancing, not for the Kitakami in particular.

 

[Zenith]

It depends on the ship. An example from WoT, Chi nu Kai and E-25. CNK is basically the Chi-Nu but with worse depression and better turret armor; easy to balance according the "Premiums are always going to be worse than a fully upgraded non-premium of the same tier." In WoWS we see Omaha vs Murmasnk as an example.

However, when the premium is something entirely different from the regular one (E-25 vs Jpanther) balancing becomes problematic. How do you balance Kitakami against Myoukou? how do you know it's better than Stock but worse than elite Myoukou if the 2 ships are completely different? And people call Myoukou weak mind you, so the problem is general balancing, not for the Kitakami in particular.

 

 

Good point, I hadn't considered the more unique vehicles. Balancing these has always been difficult, but then perhaps that begs the question, does the whole premium system need changing? Should they be flat out worse than upgraded non-premiums, or should they be side-grades with differing abilities? Surely that would be easier to balance, fair for both players, and make premiums more attractive overall.

[Takeda92]

 

Good point, I hadn't considered the more unique vehicles. Balancing these has always been difficult, but then perhaps that begs the question, does the whole premium system need changing? Should they be flat out worse than upgraded non-premiums, or should they be side-grades with differing abilities? Surely that would be easier to balance, fair for both players, and make premiums more attractive overall.

 

Well, unique premiums will never seem balanced. Depending on the person, they either be UP or OP. Only stats after few months will show what it really is, and if it is found OP then it will get the "type 59/E-25" treatment, and it will no longer be a premium that can be bought.

Take Atlanta for example. She's worse than Cola when facing battleships, but better when facing destroyers. This is the perfect example for what you said, a different playstyle ship that is neither better or worse than the regular ship. But what if stats came out and it was found that Atlanta is outperforming the Cola? remember, everyone called E-25 to be a bad tank when it was first introduced on the test server.

[Zenith]

 

Well, unique premiums will never seem balanced. Depending on the person, they either be UP or OP. Only stats after few months will show what it really is, and if it is found OP then it will get the "type 59/E-25" treatment, and it will no longer be a premium that can be bought.

Take Atlanta for example. She's worse than Cola when facing battleships, but better when facing destroyers. This is the perfect example for what you said, a different playstyle ship that is neither better or worse than the regular ship. But what if stats came out and it was found that Atlanta is outperforming the Cola? remember, everyone called E-25 to be a bad tank when it was first introduced on the test server.

 

Yes, it's very difficult to get right, perhaps impossible. But I do think there is room for improvement, especially as they should have learned a lot from WoT. 

[MrB0mbast1c]

Kitakami is not a standard CL, kitakami is a kuma class cruiser converted into torpedo cruiser, that ship plays different to other CLs, in fact its unique on its gameplay style, so it might need some experience before jumping on it to fully enjoy it.

 

[Bl4ckh0g]

Also with the Kitakami It"s kinda dangerous to buff it

That ship has 40 torpedoes if you give them a 15-20 km range, Well I can easily see 2 Kitticats blocking an entire flank with a constant torpedo waves 

 

And even then everything that you buy in CBT with your gold will be refunded in OBT so do not panic that hard over a bad purchase, just buy something different when OBT starts

and WG can buff prem ships in the CBT without a problem (excluding pre-orders)

 

 

[ThatOneDidntGoIn]

 

It's just so damn inconsistent... cause the Gremyashchiy, Sims and Murmansk are totally fine for their tier.... and yet the kitakami is such a disappointment.

 

I think the gremyashchiy is an awful ship. It's ok when you are matched against tier 3 and 4 but 5,6 + 7 forget it. It's torpedo range is pathetic, it's a large target, and it's guns turn like a battleships. It has speed and manoeuvrability, but if I paid money for that ship (ok in theory I did but I paid for access rather than ships) I would be really peed off.

[delaci76]

Tried the Sims, Yubari, Warspite, Kitakami and so far the Sims is the only keeper.

[Bl4ckh0g]

To be honest every single premium currently in game is worse than a normal ship in their tier

Maybe the Sims is the only one that's not so much

but that ship has way overbuffed mobility

[BrusilovX]

And even then everything that you buy in CBT with your gold will be refunded in OBT so do not panic that hard over a bad purchase, just buy something different when OBT starts

and WG can buff prem ships in the CBT without a problem (excluding pre-orders)

 

 

 

At least with this happening you can try out some premiums during the closed beta test and not re-purchase them after the wipe if you don't like them or the play style associates with that class.

 

Of course that does mean you need to buy sufficient gold to try out the ships you want to,  Maybe more wipes would be the ideal for that but then some players will lose their progress (yes, I know that all captains experience will be lost with the wipe).

[Marxside2018]

my opinion is we are still testing the game, we are testing all ships and all of them are subject to change is the beta goes on theres a good chance the current state of the game is nothing like the edn package we will recieve on release.

[Aldramelech]

Well lucky for you OP when we move to OBT the Kit will get taken off you and your gold will be refunded, so you haven't really lost anything and you know not to re-buy her.

 

I have tried all the premiums except Warspite and the best are Atlanta and Simms, all the Russians are pretty bad, Yubari is OK but only in it's teir.

[Xevious_Red]

Tried so far the gremy, sims, murmansk, warspite and atlanta.

 

Nothing wrong with the gremy, albeit it plays more like a CL than a DD. The sims is fine and so's the murmansk.

 

The warspite I do quite well with, but it has a steep learning curve if you're used to the fuso, and I've had games where I've encountered no enemy and been too short ranged to reach the ones that are spotted. I need to start using it far more agresively and see how that pans out. So far fun if not always as effective.

 

The atlanta is just incredibly specialised, its not a normal cruiser. What she's good at (patrolling near islands killing off DD and CL) she's incredibly good at. Shes just not very good at other things

[mtm78]

Yubari -> Quite decent, underperforming guns but it has torps and overall I had enjoyable games in her.

Grey -> Some games I just perform terrible in her, few games I do really well, most games are mediocre. But I blame most of it on my USN DD oriented play style where I can throw her around and still be able to get guns on target. 

Sims -> If I don't die quickly I tend to have very enjoyable games. Only at Faragut in the regular line so this thing is my highest tiered DD and even then I quite enjoy playing it.

Murmansk -> Not in any way worse then Omaha, the 8km torps surprise many still and I find it a quite enjoyable ship.

[artisticgoose]

Wargaming up until now have always mad Premium ships, planes, tanks slightly weaker. But for me that's ok, why? Well look what you get when you use these machines ; extra silver, xp and so on. This for me makes up for the fact that the guns might have less range, or the thing has a turning circle of turd stuck to a blanket. Fine, I'll adapt!!!! Warspite, love it!!! the Gremyashchiy is a money earner, Yubari is the same. You have to learn how to use them!!!!! Guys it's not hard to do! And don't get me started on the Iwaki Alpha, man that thing rocks!!! and the credits I earn from that is amazing!!!!! So that's my pennies worth! You may agree or disagree with me but the fact is that the game is still in testing and these things will change. The game is slightly rough around the edges but what a game! So be patient and enjoy life!!! Now where is my coffee gone......................

 

[dblkion]

Kitakami in the current state is useless

[Xmasbeer]

Atlanta is a wonderful support ship, Gremachiy has the potential to be a great credit farmer on the mid level if you hit with torpedoes and sims is fun hunter, but not so friendly for newest players, (probably not Atlanta either, but I did not have it from the start). 

[forumaccount]

this is kinda off topic but i need to ask this, the standard ships/techtrees, will they be having the same xp/money price when game goes to open beta/release?