2 BBs in Clan Wars?

[Sub_Human]

Im just curious to why there is a cap at 1 BB.

 

I played CW a lot the first season, a little the second and then I found that playing a DD in heavy cruiser meta was booring and unrewarding so I stopped. Yesterday I played 5 games and had a blast. We ran 1 BB (Vlad no suprise) and 1 DD (me in a Cossak) and 4 cruisers, as did every team we met. There were on average 2 radars on each team but the duration is so much lower on t8 that moving around was fairly easy.

 

Ive read on Reddit that a lot of teams run high DD-comps this season. Especially on the SEA server. A lot of people seem upset by this, atleast on Reddit. I cant understand why. 5-6 cruisers as is the norm in CW t10 7vs7 and that is ok?

 

What would happen if teams could field 2 BBs when the next season starts and we go back to the t10 norm. Would we get more balanced teams with 2 BB 3 CA/CL and 2 DD? Or will it screw things up in ways that I cant comprehend?

 

Regards

[Ubertron_X]

8 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

 Or will it screw things up in ways that I cant comprehend?

For what it is worth 1 BB can't crossfire, 2 can. At least thats what they say. However personally I'd say crossfire from a Stalingrad is no less devastating.

[ColonelPete]

With 2 BB, DD focused teams become more viable and cruisers become more of a liability. Unless the teamsize increases.

[DFens_666]

I feel, that on T10 there (used to be) atleast options on what to play. Example you could run different BBs, even tho GK was probably the worst. But now with russian BBs, you kinda have to go Vladi or Lenin because they are super accurate and are extremely sturdy against HE shells. Then some topclans invented the 5 DD setup (some run 3/4 DDs), which hands down, beats a balanced Cruiser setup. So its either that or bust. I think thats stupid. Every clan who doesnt play like that, has an extreme unfun time playing against those setups imo.

on the other hand, we did move to a more equal setup on TX aswell, mostly thx to Stalingrad introduction (need to counter it, where Hindenburg/HIV were good at) but WG in their infinite wisdom nerfed Hindenburg and buffed HIV, now HIV is kinda OP and a must have aswell. The more Henris you run, the better (simply said). Zao can hold up because they also buffed its torps and it can outspot other Cruisers. And then its just about whether you run 1 or 2 DD setup.

Soon we will see if Kremlin is also mandatory like Vladi/Lenin (which i dont think) but Slava might be a different story alltogether...

 

The way i see it:

Too many BBs/DDs = unfun

More Cruisers = more fun

[ClappingLollies]

You can bring as many BB's you want at T10. They are jut not called "BB's". 

 

Yes im thinking about Comrade Stalin. 

[GulvkluderGuld]

Allow too many BBs and WG will be unable to milk the playerbase by selling (indirectly: steel) BBs disguised as cruisers (comrade Stalin)

 

Next up is DDs disguised as cruisers (monsieur Colbert), thereby removing one more thorn in the eye of the Master Race.

[Yedwy]

Its a good question, given the size of maps i vould say try it - 8 vs 8 at T10 2BB cap and rest as you want (no CVs), could be interesting

[Sub_Human]

2 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

For what it is worth 1 BB can't crossfire, 2 can. At least thats what they say. However personally I'd say crossfire from a Stalingrad is no less devastating.

True! HIV and Moscva are not bad eighter.

 

To me crossfire seems like good, smart gameplay and should be encouraged?

[Sub_Human]

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

With 2 BB, DD focused teams become more viable and cruisers become more of a liability. Unless the teamsize increases.

But does it rule out cruisers? Teams would probably still field atleast 2? For flanking (herassing) and for stationary map-controle (DM, Salem etc).

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Systergummi said:

But does it rule out cruisers? Teams would probably still field atleast 2? For flanking (herassing) and for stationary map-controle (DM, Salem etc).

No, they just get countered hard by BB. DD do not.

[Sub_Human]

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

The way i see it:

Too many BBs/DDs = unfun

More Cruisers = more fun

Well 5xKiev with IFHE might not be to fun to play against. Or any comp of Akizuki/Kiev/Cossak etc.

 

Then again 5-6 cruisers rather limits DD-play to. So balance?  Maybe its the most fun for everyone?

[Sub_Human]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No, they just get countered hard by BB. DD do not.

So we would just get 2BB the rest DDs?

 

Do you think clans would play that?

[Sub_Human]

47 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Allow too many BBs and WG will be unable to milk the playerbase by selling (indirectly: steel) BBs disguised as cruisers (comrade Stalin)

 

Next up is DDs disguised as cruisers (monsieur Colbert), thereby removing one more thorn in the eye of the Master Race.

Colbert truely terrifies me as a DD-player. Ive just met one so far, think it was Yuzruel or something (Omni). Udaloi can usually survive most ordeals, but I melted so fast it was incredible. 

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

So we would just get 2BB the rest DDs?

 

Do you think clans would play that?

From what I heard, many top clans play like this right now.

[Sub_Human]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

From what I heard, many top clans play like this right now.

Then again is it more unfair then the 1BB the rest CA/CL comp we had a lot in the last t10 seasons?

 

Maybe we should cap DD-numbers to 2 or 3 as well?

[DFens_666]

43 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

Well 5xKiev with IFHE might not be to fun to play against. Or any comp of Akizuki/Kiev/Cossak etc.

 

Then again 5-6 cruisers rather limits DD-play to. So balance?  Maybe its the most fun for everyone?

 

From what ive heard (and also played against) They dont like to play it themselves as much, they say "they have to do it" in order to win games

We played against it = its annoying

We tried it ourselves = our enemies were annoyed

 

32 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

Maybe we should cap DD-numbers to 2 or 3 as well?

 

Either that, or maybe it would be better to limit just every ship to 1. So you can run 5 DDs, but it cant be 5 Kievs. Also you cant run 4 Henris or 5 Stalingrads. Maybe that would shake things up again.

[Sub_Human]

19 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

They dont like to play it themselves as much, they say "they have to do it" in order to win games

We played against it = its annoying

We tried it ourselves = our enemies were annoyed

LOL 

Is it really that strong? I say some people on Reddit claiming they counterd it with Bayards and Chappas I think.

26 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Either that, or maybe it would be better to limit just every ship to 1. So you can run 5 DDs, but it cant be 5 Kievs. Also you cant run 4 Henris or 5 Stalingrads. Maybe that would shake things up again.

Maybe both? Have a minimum of one of each class. And a max of one of each ship?

 

Im still not convinsed that the 1BB cap is nessesary. 

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

LOL 

Is it really that strong? I say some people on Reddit claiming they counterd it with Bayards and Chappas I think.

 

Ive been watching Mfour from TTT streaming, and they made fun of people getting out the Chapas to "counter" their DD setup

Alltho i think, Bayard could be good against DDs because of the high burst damage.

 

3 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

Maybe both? Have a minimum of one of each class. And a max of one of each ship?

 

Im still not convinsed that the 1BB cap is nessesary. 

 

I agree with Colonelpete. If you remove BB limit, it will remove Cruisers as a class pretty much, as everyone needs to pick more DDs. BBs counter Cruiser easier than DDs can counter BBs imo. Especially if you have to work your way through the DDs first to get to the BBs.

Kinda hard to say what would happen if you through a CV in the mix aswell

[Sub_Human]

10 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I agree with Colonelpete. If you remove BB limit, it will remove Cruisers as a class pretty much, as everyone needs to pick more DDs. BBs counter Cruiser easier than DDs can counter BBs imo. Especially if you have to work your way through the DDs first to get to the BBs.

Kinda hard to say what would happen if you through a CV in the mix aswell

But would 2 BBs in a mix of 7 ships really render Cruisers obsolete?

 

I found this on Reddit just now btw 

[GarrusBrutus]

T8 cruisers are too weak to deal well with a T8 DD 1v1.

- Akizuki just straight up out dpms it.

- Kiev is hard to hit at full speed and has a heal.

Besides these ships cant get erased by the BB that easy. All cruisers can lose 50-100% of their hp if the bb looks at them funny.

Furthermore a DD heavy setup is way more flexibel during the battle than a cruiser heavy setup. Faster and more agile ships mean you can react to a heavy push from the enemies in quicker.

That is why all top clans play heavy DD setups.

[Sub_Human]

7 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

T8 cruisers are too weak to deal well with a T8 DD 1v1.

- Akizuki just straight up out dpms it.

- Kiev is hard to hit at full speed and has a heal.

Besides these ships cant get erased by the BB that easy. All cruisers can lose 50-100% of their hp if the bb looks at them funny.

Furthermore a DD heavy setup is way more flexibel during the battle than a cruiser heavy setup. Faster and more agile ships mean you can react to a heavy push from the enemies in quicker.

That is why all top clans play heavy DD setups.

I would love to try it. And Im not questioning that heavy DD-comps are effective at t8.

 

But back to the question at hand. Would 2 BBs per team break the game when CW goes back to normal (7vs7, t10). Saying that 2 BBs are to much would be like saying randoms cant be played at all. At high tiers its usually 5 BBs, 4-5 CA/CLs and 2 DDs, add in the odd CV. Sure people whine when DD-numbers go to high. As they do now in CW. In my eyes high cruiser-comps are just as bad.

 

Why not force people to take balanced comps?

 

If CW goes back to 1 BB and 5-6 Cruisers then Im not touching it ever again... sadly.

[Gebe_]

Lol at all the DD haters. Running 4 cruisers is fine, but 4 DDs is somehow bad? Bloody hypocrits. I'm for one tired of the same old same old: DM/Balti behind this island, Moskva/Chappy over there, Henris/Charlies line1/2. So damn boring doing the same all the time.

 

I'm loving this meta and I hope it lasts. Variety is great. Don't want to adapt - your problem.

[konean]

3 hours ago, Systergummi said:

But back to the question at hand. Would 2 BBs per team break the game when CW goes back to normal (7vs7, t10). Saying that 2 BBs are to much would be like saying randoms cant be played at all. At high tiers its usually 5 BBs, 4-5 CA/CLs and 2 DDs, add in the odd CV. Sure people whine when DD-numbers go to high. As they do now in CW. In my eyes high cruiser-comps are just as bad.

Yes they would break the game and I cant see how that would be much fun. If you want 2 BBs in CBs WG would need to move towards a 9vs9. Yes cruisers get alot more combat power on T10, but the T10 BBs also get stronger, the gap might be smaller compared to T8 but I doubt its enough that they can handle 2 BBs especially with taking in consideration the map pool of CBs. 

 

The reason why we see this DD lineups this season is just the case that Cruisers cant really handle BBs, dont have a heal and the tools arent good enough to handle DDs. As a T8 DD you can most of the time tank the radars. They only get scary if the enemy team can chain them or if you are forced to gamble because of certain situation within the battle. Compared to T10 you are allowed to do mistakes as a DD without getting blown out of the water. 

 

Its nice to see my main class relevant again but overall after playing more and more I dont really like the season. You kinda need to have premium ships, if the battle goes normal the BB is just a ramming bot, gamebugs like the QE Problem not getting a Hotfix, the stupid gap on the Greece A Island with the possibility of LoS which feels inconsistend, still sometimes broken Division and Chat Interface. 

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, Gebe_ said:

Lol at all the DD haters. Running 4 cruisers is fine, but 4 DDs is somehow bad? Bloody hypocrits.

 

Thats not hypocrisy. Even WG thinks Cruisers is a class, that doesnt need any Soft/hardcap in randoms ... unlike BBs and DDs, go figure.

Then lets remove the BB cap in CBs aswell

[Yedwy]

42 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Then lets remove the BB cap in CBs aswell

Noooooooooooo!