Research Bureau: New Rewards for Leveling Up

[kamil942]

Greedy corp. Maximizing revenue at the expense of the consumer.

I've got 2 questions @Tanatoy
1. Will these XP bonuses be for money or we get it for free? Couldn't you make f.e. +50% xp for reseted line? Ofc not! Money is on 1st place.
2. Will we get "tech tree boosters" like this one with booster from tier 7 New Orleans (-50% research cost and -50% buy cost)? How much we will must pay for it? This from tier 7 was for 60$(?) So full tree booster will be for about 70-80$ :(

.....זשעדנע קאָרפּאָראַציע

Anyway I won't spend any $ more on you :) Now I regret previous transactions.

[Smegger213]

The like to dislike ration on Wargaming's YouTube video on this subject will tell you all you need to know Wargaming.

 

The community DOES NOT WANT this dumb idea.

 

Don't matter to me anyhow. I have been playing casual since the closed alpha test, and I have yet to get 1 tier 10 ship, let alone have 5.

I don't sink enough time into the dumb game. What with the stupid CV rework and the increasingly awful matchmaker. I just don't care about the game that much no more.

In fact, the day that Wargaming introduce subs into random games, will be the day I stop playing.

[Polsiema]

This is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.

 

Does wargaming makes things this way often? I'm a new player.

[Desperado3434]

All that’s required is to reset researchable branches of ships and progress through them anew.

 

You guys at WG need to have your heads examined.

[B4karra]

Some time ago, people din't play top tier (IX-X) that much, and in order to avoid seal clubbing (and other reasons) many things were implemented, such as:

- Legendary upgrades

- Directives / Campaigns, far more difficult to accomplish in medium tier games.

- Great (won't say OP) premium ships and camouflages that make almost impossible to lose money in tier VIII - X (even you can farm much more money)

 

Also, as some people has said, the possibility to start a new branch on tier VIII is now a real possibility (maybe tier IX for some amount of dobloons). I feel that WG's message goes in an opposite direction to the actions.

 

Research Bureau is a good idea, but I can't help thinking that it's only going to be used to spend tons of free XP (or dobloons). Why?

Because many people has a great deal of elite XP on medium - low tier ships, meaning they kept playing those tier as you are asking / suggesting. But sending elite XP to first ship of the branch you punish them, and make them play again.

 

[WascallyWabbit]

It's just too long a grind, 5x regrinding ships, plus you lose coal and if I remember right steel come Xmas from any lines you are regrinding, any xp you have earned on those ships is dumped on T1 so you cant use it. It's designed not to keep us grinding but to suck dry our accounts of accumulated gold and FXP in the hope we start spending again. But who really wants to grind 5x lines through all the fun sucking CV games and probably another unbalanced and badly introduced mechanic when subs arrive. There will be some try hard stat padder's who will exchange all their accumulated FXP and gold to speed through so they can pick up an obviously OP ship early. Most who do this will probably be very good players anyway so the best players will be gifted an OP ship to dominate with in their games. 

 

I get some players have a lot of accumulated wealth and currencies on their accounts and as such no longer spending and WG would like to reduce this and in this regard it's a damn good idea I don't begrudge WG making a profit. But its simply too grindy and offers OP ships at the end to the ultra dedicated and probably the better players in the game ( who will pick up these ships almost immediately by converting FXP ) and as such a bigger stick to club the general player base with. It's a no from me absolutely, I have no intention of regrinding 5x lines to get this, its taken me 4 years to get to the Bismarck lol. Far better to have given away some special flags for each level, and maybe a 1000 steel a little at each ship unlocked in the line (5,000 total over the 5x grinds) or the premium camo (who really buys these with real money anyway) for each tier ship you regrind and unlock with the final reward being a captain with a couple of perks suited to the T10 ship and a flag to say hey I did the grind.

 

Also the extra xp you earned on these ships instead of being dumped and lost on T1 could be converted into a special currency you can only use to train up these unique captains. We then would not feel we have wasted our time and got crewed on this already accumulated xp.

 

For me it is another good idea badly implemented and just shoved into the game like some 1 year old kid trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. This is how I see the rewards, we already have unique commanders and nothing in the reward list below would give an unfair advantage with a worthwhile reward at every tier in every regrind.

 

Flags/camo (each tier)

1000 steel (per line)

premium camo unlocked for every ship in the line you regrind

Unique captain for the T10 and a flag that shows you did the regrind.

Already accumulated xp used to train the unique captain and not dumped and lost on T1 ship.

 

[BlackFish__]

WG seems to be very desperate to push through this idea that clearly has been firmly rejected by the community.
 

The day WG puts a necessary for Clan Wars ship behind their NTC crap is the day I quit this game. I can live without Colbert and Ohio for now, but my commitment to this game has decreased drastically.ther is no frikken way I will regrind any of the lines I researched. Imagine regrinding the US heavy cruiser line in the middle of a CW or ranked season. Or imagine regrinding a line with multiple turds in it. Thanks, but NO THANKS!

Shame on you Wargaming!

[WascallyWabbit]

40 minutes ago, Polsiema said:

This is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.

 

Does wargaming makes things this way often? I'm a new player.

Yes absolutely, like a spoilt kid they have a "it's our game we will do what we want, or I am taking my ball home so there" type attitude.

[Polsiema]

12 minuty temu, WascallyWabbit napisał:

Yes absolutely, like a spoilt kid they have a "it's our game we will do what we want, or I am taking my ball home so there" type attitude.

 

Yeah I think I'm out, after spending 230 hours ingame I must say it feels unbalanced as f... for me. I kinda like CV, have Lexington, Rujo and Furious, also like 5 or 6 tier V+ bbs. So I fly for 2 minutes to target and I make 500dmg or 3000 with torps and thats it while bb can make like 50k or more with a salvo? or DD with torpedoes taking out bbs per one torpedo burst? Don't get me wrong, i had battles with cv lik 100k dmg+ but it is so rare almost doesn't happen. 

 

You also almost can't earn credits and achievements with cvs (ofc with premium). 

Playing as VIII tier cv vs X tiers is just like doing nuffin, you have to pick up like 20% of easy targets like lone dds or something to make your 1k damage on them otherwise you're getting wiped with laser shows of a single - or two ships - wtf?!!! Weren't cvs who sunk biggest ships WWII time?

 

Playing as total new player there was so much fun, playing with other noobs, bonuses every battle you make.

Now? Having 600 battles I'm playing with guys having 10 times more - WTF?! Even on low tiers...

 

There is so many other cool games to play, I'm out.

 

(just to point - writing this as a newbie player)

[Voreian]

If WG wants to repopulate low tier battles they can create new campaigns for T1-2 and T3-4 and T5-6 ships. Complete all three campaigns get the tokens necessary and exchange for Colbert or anything else you want. You can modify this so as to make some money too out of this is some was (no harm if a company wants to increase its revenue). However, regrinding lines that were PAINFUL for a player or wasting hours and hours of playing or tons of game currencies and resources ARE AN INSULT TO ALL DEDICATED PLAYERS. 

 

Personally i have 18 grindable T10 ships, some i love some i dont like much, some have been nerfed to the ground (i.e. Yueyang).i dont intent to get frustrated all over again in lines i didnt like, i dont intent to lose my favourite ships. I have about 130 ships in total and almost everything from Tier 6 to Tier10 (apart ftom CVs which i dont play and never will), i have 2mil FXP and overall considerable ammounts of ingame resources and i could do the regrind in a click........naaahhhhh does not worth it.......for Colbert?????......and 20+ million XP on my ships wasted on Tier1s????........

 

NEXT JOKE PLEASE 

[lakunas]

How to delete wows account?

[Zentry]

Wg dont do drugs!

[RnGg0tya]

For once listen to the players.. If not we will all just uninstall and kill the game once and for all. 

The last year of patches has been nail after nail in the coffin of a dying game.. Your killing your own game.. can you not see that?? 

 

Drop this retarded idea once and for all, before its too late....

[WascallyWabbit]

20 minutes ago, RnGg0tya said:

For once listen to the players.. If not we will all just uninstall and kill the game once and for all. 

The last year of patches has been nail after nail in the coffin of a dying game.. Your killing your own game.. can you not see that?? 

 

Drop this retarded idea once and for all, before its too late....

I wouldn't go as far as you but they certainly don't listen, they appear to be determined to keep the the game in a constant toxic reactive state and do appear to thrive on conflict and anger of the player base, without realising people's patience isn't unlimited. They need to stop introducing controversial content and instead, listen to the CC's and the vocal player base, and maybe just once in a while get the dev's playing WoW every week for a few hours to see what a frustrating platform they are building. From what I understand few dev's ever see feedback that isn't doctored through half a dozen protective layers of people and managers, and most never play the game. Just try your own product, like a chef tasting his food as he goes, that way the "balance" is always right.

 

[Benden]

I'll join the majority of the player saying that it's a bad idea. Another currency based on re grinding the same old tech tree : no thanks.

Keep on with events based on naval history introduce maybe historical battles etc. but research bureau, nayyyy.

[talpadragos]

I guess Victor Kislyi is trying to buy a "modest" pair of socks and he needs a few millions more. Please comply and donate to wargaming as much as you can, dear customers... Money and time. Especially money. Time is underrated..

For that you will receive a nice set of pixels named Colbert.

F**k no, i have enough boats. I`d better scratch a boat on my display with a screwdriver than resetting 5 lines..

[Bratwurst_Bob]

Reset and grind it all again? 

[The_Listener]

Ohohoho you got me there WG.....

 

 

 

 

Wait it ain't April first yet...  was it??

[The_Listener]

13 hours ago, 250swb said:

 

It's the magician who is waving his hands and fingers around in the air before tricking you into choosing the wrong card. 

 

The explanation alone is smoke and mirrors, everything being a great opportunity until you realise on resetting you only get half the credits you put into a tech tree and ignoring your time, boosters, missions, and mental health put in during the process.

 

As I've said before, this is nothing to do with re-invigorating the game, it's all about WG dredging for an new cash cow where you need to spend boosters, signals, time in missions, and your mental health all over again.

This ^^^

[victorem]

13 hours ago, BattleshipGunner said:

Why are they adding it?

 

It looks like MOST of the community REALLY don't want this update.

Just pushing the limits, they love it. I imagine they get a lot of data for stats...  how many people leaves, the drop in battles played per player,

the drop on new commers, the drop on sales and premium time...and all that interesting data for analysis.

Unfortunately, I have worked out there is still a large number of people with gambling and compulsive spending problems, 

that makes them spend and regret later, and start all over again.....   that´s what the whole game is designed for. ADICT PEOPLE. 

Once you spend you don´t feel like wasting all invested time and money , so you stick with the addiction. 

Is just like when you had a girlfriend for 3 years, and you really want to stop that relationship, but feeling like you wasted all those years if you drop her,

so you stick to the same old .......    Our brain is lazy and stupid, and it is proved that you actually GAIN A LOT by leaving that draining situation, 

but we are against change in our set up. WG knows this well, and keeps putting us the carrot at the end of a stick, to keep us all going ahead.

And we do. 

Here is an idea for you. Why dont you get rid of all developers, marketing department and all unable staff of you (just like you are resetting a tree line)

And start from scratch a game to deliver ENTERTAINMENT NOT ADDICTION to all players. Maybe is you that need the reset... have you thought about it?

anyway, thank you for helping me  spend  waste less and lees time on your game. I´m off to enjoy summer in real world.

 

 

 

[StalkerSoC]

So... As a fellow Frenchman and passionate naval history guy, I was looking forward to Colbert. The history of this ship is interesting, it was a post war cruiser, and took the place of Jean Bart for a missile refit. I can't tell how important this ship was for French Naval history and the developpement of the Marine National. Sadly, today, this ship, which is HISTORICAL will be put behind an unbearable grind wall, while Smolensk, a made up ship, will be available for coal. Also, the fact that you need at least 5 researched T10, and the ungodly amount of regrind makes Colbert unreachable for a lot of us.

 

 

[Bratwurst_Bob]

14 hours ago, 250swb said:

 

It's the magician who is waving his hands and fingers around in the air before tricking you into choosing the wrong card. 

 

The explanation alone is smoke and mirrors, everything being a great opportunity until you realise on resetting you only get half the credits you put into a tech tree and ignoring your time, boosters, missions, and mental health put in during the process.

 

As I've said before, this is nothing to do with re-invigorating the game, it's all about WG dredging for an new cash cow where you need to spend boosters, signals, time in missions, and your mental health all over again.

I know what it is:
A 

 

Wait for it...

 

 

 

 

 

SuRpRiSe MeChAnIc  

[NicramDuel]

21 hours ago, NicramDuel said:

Okay, there's no point in arguing or wasting time on discussing if the research bureau is a good, or bad idea. It's coming, it's here, and there is nothing that players can do about it. 

 

So, let's cut to one of the main questions that matters now: Research Bureau vs Birthday Event (supercontainers and snowflakes) - and possible future snowflake-based events (like the current French DD one).

 

Re$hit Bureau starts off sometims now in august, prompting many of us players to reset 4-5 lines, wether we like it or not. WoWS Birthday event, however, is on September 10-something. Traditionally, Supercontainers have been awarded for T10 ships. A more recent trend is snowflaking for coal/steel or event currencies (Happened in January, and is happenning again for this event). The single, perhaps most important question (that can still be up for debate or still poses a large degree of uncertainty and potential frustration) is:

What happens in exactly a month or in the future with the techtree-lines I _HAD_ a T10 ship on, yet, due to the resets, I am missing them during a potential SC or Snowflake event?

Will this anniversary have rewards based on winning a darn co-op/random/whatever, or will there be some historical remembrance system that will allow for checking out the missing SC's / snowflakes? For instance, getting Clan-Battle-Similar temporal ships to our port for each resetted line (and only for those lines), so that we can collect our deserved rewards? Or simply put, can we forget rewards for reset tech-tree lines... Or even, against all logic, the birthday event of September - if we fail to up-tier them enough by the time the event(s) is/are over?

 

Let's cut the cr@p please, we all know that there IS going to be something this year too, for the simple fact that WG cannot afford not to do it. it is the single greatest incentive-giving event of the year, providing the most motivation in this game currently to grind for next year, and one of the greatest times of the year to throw in a few deals in premium shop that will milk our beloved whales dry, and hell, even get a few euros of us, common players. So let's not make a fool of ourselves saying "why are we expecting anything?" It's not a matter of expectation, it is a matter of common sense for players and wg alike. We know it's coming - but with such a resetting mechanic being implemented in such close proximity to the Birthday Event (2-3 weeks difference ONLY!), it is in everyone's interest to see clearly - regardless of it being positive or negative feedback. 

 

WG: last year was the ONLY year so far where you remained secretive of the birthday event until the last moment. You were open about it much in advance for the first two years. For the sake of the community, for the sake of not pouring even more salt on the wounds of this new grinding mechanic... Please tell us pro or contra, what to expect in mid september. Will we, or will we not be punished for resetting the tech-tree lines too early (and not being able to level them up to t8-t9-t10 in time), before the birthday event begins/ends? 

@Tanatoy

@MrConway

 @Crysantos

 

No reply has yet arrived... so with the aid of a clanmate, we found this as a possible answer: 

 

 

Highlighted text: "in the 0.8.8. (patch of the birthday event) rewards will be given automatically for all ships which have a bonus for victory for research points." Meaning:

 

Any techtree that has been reset, but has not been levelled high enough by or during the date of the upcoming/future snowflake/SC events, will AUTOMATICALLY recieve said rewards, practically as if the tree hasn't been reset at all. 

 

Could a CM or another member of WG Staff cleanly confirm, or cleanly deny this?

[victorem]

Aprils fool every week, eh wg?

[Voreian]

49 minutes ago, NicramDuel said:

 

No reply has yet arrived... so with the aid of a clanmate, we found this as a possible answer: 

 

 

Highlighted text: "in the 0.8.8. (patch of the birthday event) rewards will be given automatically for all ships which have a bonus for victory for research points." Meaning:

 

Any techtree that has been reset, but has not been levelled high enough by or during the date of the upcoming/future snowflake/SC events, will AUTOMATICALLY recieve said rewards, practically as if the tree hasn't been reset at all. 

 

Could a CM or another member of WG Staff cleanly confirm, or cleanly deny this?

Do not fall for that it is most certainly misleading and i can prove it....

 

During the recent reset of the coupons for ships in the Armoryit eas said that all coupons would be reset on the 25-26 June. Guess what, i have used my last ship coupon on the 25/12/2018 and i thought "OK everyone will be getting 3 ship coupons this year", which was a rather logical conclusion. So i used mine as it arrived on the 25/06 and waited for a new one on the next day........SUREEEEEE.....

 

When i ticketed WG to say "hey some people will be getting 3 coupons this year and i only got 2" they repplied with a polite and magnificent "F**** off". 

 

Therefore most likely whoever regrinds will get a bucket of manure instead of snowflakes. 

 

If you want to take your chances with what the sneak peak claims be my guest, probably it is more likely to have a Belfast or a Kamikaze R dropped randomly to your account from a supercontainer than successfully get all the bonuses.