Research Bureau: New Rewards for Leveling Up

[MEPH1ST0]

Ok, thanks for the reply @MrConway

[Salbogus]

@Crysantos@MrConway@Tanatoy@YabbaCoe@Sehales and to whomever else it may concern:

 

I will not add to the players' rant about the tediousness of the grind, though I share it. I think the point has been amply made; yet, the system is here. So I will try to mention something that could make this system more appealing.

 

With such an understanding, I want to risk suggesting this: allow research points to be used to increase the ceiling of Captain Skill Points (for example to 23, enabling the addition of an extra 4-point skill). Of course, the specifics such as how many points for each additional skill point etc., would need to be worked out. I mention that because I am quite hesitant to do all the grind to get a nice BB or CA. But, an incentive like the one I am mentioning to arrive at 23-point captains would impress me, and perhaps some others, to go ahead and farm for research points -- without too much fuss anyway :).

 

Cheers,

 

Sal 

[Klopirat]

8 hours ago, Salbogus said:

allow research points to be used to increase the ceiling of Captain Skill Points

so you demand that the RB will allow you to earn permanent combat buffs for your ships (because this is what more skill points mean)...which would be exactly the reason why there was the huge sh*tstorm when the former NTC was presented...

[MrConway]

On 11/23/2019 at 9:29 PM, Salbogus said:

@Crysantos@MrConway@Tanatoy@YabbaCoe@Sehales and to whomever else it may concern:

 

I will not add to the players' rant about the tediousness of the grind, though I share it. I think the point has been amply made; yet, the system is here. So I will try to mention something that could make this system more appealing.

 

With such an understanding, I want to risk suggesting this: allow research points to be used to increase the ceiling of Captain Skill Points (for example to 23, enabling the addition of an extra 4-point skill). Of course, the specifics such as how many points for each additional skill point etc., would need to be worked out. I mention that because I am quite hesitant to do all the grind to get a nice BB or CA. But, an incentive like the one I am mentioning to arrive at 23-point captains would impress me, and perhaps some others, to go ahead and farm for research points -- without too much fuss anyway :).

 

Cheers,

 

Sal 

 

We initially announced a design where one could earn small bonuses for existing ships, but as this was very badly received by the community we decided to try the current approach.

 

I can see where you are coming from, but as this would essentially be the same kind of buff, I don't think the community would be entirely supportive ;)

[Salbogus]

32 minutes ago, MrConway said:

We initially announced a design where one could earn small bonuses for existing ships, but as this was very badly received by the community we decided to try the current approach.

 

I can see where you are coming from, but as this would essentially be the same kind of buff, I don't think the community would be entirely supportive ;)

Thanks for the reply. I would distinguish between ship buffs and a limited number of additional captain points, but I see your point clearly. Thanks for the reply.

 

Cheers, 

 

Sal

[MrConway]

54 minutes ago, Salbogus said:

Thanks for the reply. I would distinguish between ship buffs and a limited number of additional captain points, but I see your point clearly. Thanks for the reply.

 

Cheers, 

 

Sal

 

Extra captain points will make your captain stronger, whether or not that is applied to a ship or a captain doesn't change the end result IMO.

[redlockk]

Hello maybe a bonus from research center we realy need a help to regrind all that lines i already get colbert and im close to get ohio with the bonus from research center we dont have to reset again for 2000 points. 5%from a building we already have in base i think its ok. Have a nice day 

[ImLate]

Just reresearch 2 ships, and still haven't get ohio, its too hard!

[Deathadder_61]

Well this is crap and is everyone forgetting this was there idea in the first place for the NTC and we stood up to them as they were going to introduce powerful upgrades to the T10 ships. The way WG is moving the UU to research bureau is the first step of adding the others they wanted in the first place. We know how hard it was to Grind the first 5 Tier 10 ships then you had to reset the line again and regrind for tokens to get the Ohio now they want us to regrind to get UU how stupid is this.The game is going backwards people work as this is for the hardcore players who spend over 8hrs a day playing..WG you are going lose players if you keep going the way you are.  

[Magro_]

I don't understand this. I reset a Tier 10 line to get extra XP or a special ship.

As I do not want the ships, I swicthed from Tanks to Warships to avoid the golden vehicles,  why whould I ever do this.
 

I  give up quite a lot off XP to be able to regain those XP faster? Seriously I see no pointexcept maybye "look you can get theese ships also without paying money).
Is that it?

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, Magro_ said:

I don't understand this. I reset a Tier 10 line to get extra XP or a special ship.

As I do not want the ships, I swicthed from Tanks to Warships to avoid the golden vehicles,  why whould I ever do this.
 

I  give up quite a lot off XP to be able to regain those XP faster? Seriously I see no pointexcept maybye "look you can get theese ships also without paying money).
Is that it?

It is something to do for people who are bored.

It is something to spend money on for people who bought everything.

[Meridian112]

Is this Play All Ships Up To Tier X Again event?????

To get Montana with 457 mm guns and named Ohio??????

WG,you need to make something more creative to get people into this.

What about blueprints we get in World of Tanks to cut research or even if you get all blueprints make next level tank zero XP to research??

Why not something like that from containers but only we get research points?

And btw, Paytorico event should never be in game. 

35K gold to finish building it??????

that is 4 tier VIII premium ships.

Is Paytorico worth that much?????

you giving WG shares on stock exchange with every Paytorico bought?  

[tsounts]

Concerning the existing legendary upgrades, they should be available to be put on the ship again after someone has finished the grind, even in case he/she has sold them.

Doing this grind and not having that upgrade available is not correct just because it was sold.  They actually must be in the same status as permanent camos after someone has finished the given grind.

 

There is no logic having finished a grind of several missions and then not having that upgrade available just because it was sold, in my case I've accidentally sold a couple and cannot get them back...

 

@MrConway, @Crysantos

[MrConway]

16 hours ago, tsounts said:

Concerning the existing legendary upgrades, they should be available to be put on the ship again after someone has finished the grind, even in case he/she has sold them.

Doing this grind and not having that upgrade available is not correct just because it was sold.  They actually must be in the same status as permanent camos after someone has finished the given grind.

 

There is no logic having finished a grind of several missions and then not having that upgrade available just because it was sold, in my case I've accidentally sold a couple and cannot get them back...

 

@MrConway, @Crysantos

 

If you accidentally sold some of the upgrades, please contact our support team, they can restore them for you in return for the credits you received from the sale.

 

As they have a different symbol, it shouldn't be too hard not to sell them ;)

[tsounts]

1 minute ago, MrConway said:

 

If you accidentally sold some of the upgrades, please contact our support team, they can restore them for you in return for the credits you received from the sale.

 

As they have a different symbol, it shouldn't be too hard not to sell them ;)

Thanks for the reply, they have actually stated that they cannot return them to my port... I don't  mind the credits being removed from  my account since they weren't sold for credits.  Could you please check?

[tsounts]

10 hours ago, MrConway said:

 

If you accidentally sold some of the upgrades, please contact our support team, they can restore them for you in return for the credits you received from the sale.

 

As they have a different symbol, it shouldn't be too hard not to sell them ;)

Ok, issue resolved! Thank you!

[Capt_Popei]

I have reset 2 branches. I´m researching them. I think there are few rewards and too expensive. I hope you add more ships and of course cheaper, and something more interesting to research bureau. I´m getting bored... I think research bureau is unnecesary... I have enought premium ships after 4 years playing WOWS... I will not buy Puerto Rico for 15k doublouns. I will not buy Ohio...

Please WG entertain me if you want more money

[TStick]

*resurrected tread* Any chance we'll see some new ships in the RB any time soon ? I'm resetting one line at the time and still sit on some RP, want to know if this is still worth keeping or chance out for FXP/signals etc. ?

[TunaRoll]

Does somebody even still use this RB system? Grinding and regrinding 5x lines seems to be an huge time sink, which isnt even worth imo.  

 

I would rather play missions to re-play T5-10 than loosing access to all my once hard grinded and personalized ships for some RB points (10k at max for 1 line?!). As a kinda new player i will hard pass on a game design/system like that. I does not motivate me at all tbh, it is not worth the time. I hope they rework this or keep focusing on missions.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, TunaRoll said:

Does somebody even still use this RB system? Grinding and regrinding 5x lines seems to be an huge time sink, which isnt even worth imo.  

 

I would rather play missions to re-play T5-10 than loosing access to all my once hard grinded and personalized ships for some RB points (10k at max for 1 line?!). As a kinda new player i will hard pass on a game design/system like that. I does not motivate me at all tbh, it is not worth the time. I hope they rework this or keep focusing on missions.

Unfortunately many do.

I would also prefer missions.

[Nebuched]

Time wasted on this could have been better spent buffing t8 BB's so Rich and Bisco aren't so far above the rest. Or buffing the UK heavy cruiser line. Or improving graphics. Or redesigning the overly long oil grind. Or reintroducing Narai.

Or...you get the point. 

[VenividiviciNL]

On 8/16/2019 at 6:02 PM, Episparh said:

... But the one who didn't had the lower tiers either skipped them with free xp or grind them and then sold them ... in both cases it's somewhat fair on that point.

 

@Tanatoy  What will happen if you never played or owned a researched ship , would  the player will be eligible for RB points.

Exmples:

1. I have researched  Des Moines but never bought it or played it. Would I get the points when I regrind her?
2. I got Lightning as early access ship but never bothered with Tier 6 and Tier 7. Would I get points for them after reset?
3. I have skipped all ships on German BB line with free XP but I bought and played only GK. Would I be eligible for points from all ships from tiers 6 to tier 9? 

hi mate,

 

You start getting Research Points as of tier VI when you have researched, bought and played 1 battle with victory (easy to be done in Co-Op). Per tier you will be doing this up to tier X. At the end you have 10,000 RP's when doing 1x regrind or 20,000 RP when reaching your tier X back with the double feature is active (only once per quarter and the previous one finished ofc). It is 500+1000+1500+2000+5000 RP's or 1,000+2,000+3,000+4,000+10,000 RP's for tier VI > tier X.

 

Whether you started with an early access ship or not, you will have to turn in your tier X vessel (in your case the Daring and the ones you have also in that line, for which you will receive credits and your upgrades are free of charge put in your inventory).

 

The above will cover your 3 questions.

 

Good luck hunting!

[VenividiviciNL]

On 8/16/2019 at 4:48 PM, NicramDuel said:

Okay, there's no point in arguing or wasting time on discussing if the research bureau is a good, or bad idea. It's coming, it's here, and there is nothing that players can do about it. 

 

So, let's cut to one of the main questions that matters now: Research Bureau vs Birthday Event (supercontainers and snowflakes) - and possible future snowflake-based events (like the current French DD one).

 

Re$hit Bureau starts off sometims now in august, prompting many of us players to reset 4-5 lines, wether we like it or not. WoWS Birthday event, however, is on September 10-something. Traditionally, Supercontainers have been awarded for T10 ships. A more recent trend is snowflaking for coal/steel or event currencies (Happened in January, and is happenning again for this event). The single, perhaps most important question (that can still be up for debate or still poses a large degree of uncertainty and potential frustration) is:

What happens in exactly a month or in the future with the techtree-lines I _HAD_ a T10 ship on, yet, due to the resets, I am missing them during a potential SC or Snowflake event?

Will this anniversary have rewards based on winning a darn co-op/random/whatever, or will there be some historical remembrance system that will allow for checking out the missing SC's / snowflakes? For instance, getting Clan-Battle-Similar temporal ships to our port for each resetted line (and only for those lines), so that we can collect our deserved rewards? Or simply put, can we forget rewards for reset tech-tree lines... Or even, against all logic, the birthday event of September - if we fail to up-tier them enough by the time the event(s) is/are over?

 

Let's cut the cr@p please, we all know that there IS going to be something this year too, for the simple fact that WG cannot afford not to do it. it is the single greatest incentive-giving event of the year, providing the most motivation in this game currently to grind for next year, and one of the greatest times of the year to throw in a few deals in premium shop that will milk our beloved whales dry, and hell, even get a few euros of us, common players. So let's not make a fool of ourselves saying "why are we expecting anything?" It's not a matter of expectation, it is a matter of common sense for players and wg alike. We know it's coming - but with such a resetting mechanic being implemented in such close proximity to the Birthday Event (2-3 weeks difference ONLY!), it is in everyone's interest to see clearly - regardless of it being positive or negative feedback. 

 

WG: last year was the ONLY year so far where you remained secretive of the birthday event until the last moment. You were open about it much in advance for the first two years. For the sake of the community, for the sake of not pouring even more salt on the wounds of this new grinding mechanic... Please tell us pro or contra, what to expect in mid september. Will we, or will we not be punished for resetting the tech-tree lines too early (and not being able to level them up to t8-t9-t10 in time), before the birthday event begins/ends? 

@Tanatoy

@MrConway

 @Crysantos

hi mate,

 

what do you think yourselves? Ofc you are cut out of the "snowflakes" for each ship NOT anymore in your port! 

 

My advice: wait till "snowflakes" event, play all your ships for that bonus and then start the RB reset for 2x bonus (10,000 RP's will become 20,000 RP's the moment you have researched, bought, played with victory with each ship starting with tier VI and ending at tier X).  The moment you finish your first reset with 2x bonus (10K becomes 20K) and this happens before the new quarter, you can sit and wait till the next 2x bonus period starts.

 

I have done this past 9 months (playing daily) and now own the Ohio after 3 resets. According to the information in the Techtree shown to me, the next new period with a 2x bonus starts 15 August 2020.

 

Goodluck hunting! 

[VenividiviciNL]

To summarize my previous posting on this topic:

 

-Every quarter a reset for 2x bonus is available IF you start for the first time OR you have finished your previous 2x bonus reset.

-As of tier VI you start gaining research points when you have researched this tier VI vessel, bought it and played with victory (in co-op for example). This happens up to tier X, resulting into 10,000 or 20,000 RP's depending whether you started with 2x bonus or not.

-All vessels in the chosen reset are sold for credits, upgrades free of charged demounted into your inventory, captains put in the reserves and slots (of sold vessels) are free to your disposal.

 

Bear in mind, the Research Bureau is ONLY available as soon as you have researched AND bought (?) 5 regular tech tree tier X vessels, but you only have to do a reset on 1 of them to start for that nation/class the RP mission. I trust that Wargaming is still giving each player who obtained their 5th regular tech tree vessel for the first time a gift of 10,000 RP's like everyone I know who had 5 regular tier X vessels when RB was released.

 

Pro's:

- despite regrind you can level your captain's again, especially when you reset each time on same nation/class and you have a dedicated captain per vessel (if not, buy one for 25 gold (3 pts) or 1,500 gold (10pts) to make life easier).

- despite regrind it can be fun to play again a loved vessel/line, which you haven't touched for ages. 

 

Cons:

- it is a credit sinkhole as you only receive the vendor value of the vessels sold and you have to buy them back for full value.

- it can be a pain in the *ss, if you do the reset on a class with a horrific grind and playstyle (in my case I would not do it on UK BB's for example).

- it can be a FXP sinkhole if you are using FXP to speed things up; ofc it is handy to have max hull as soon as possible, but you still have to buy the researched vessel to obtain the RP's.

 

My advice to you is NOT to reset any radar cruiser line in case your clan is playing Clan Battles or even for ranked battles as of tier VIII. The reason why is clear to you!

 

If I miss some information, please feel free to add them to my data.

[VenividiviciNL]

On 1/19/2020 at 6:17 PM, tsounts said:

Concerning the existing legendary upgrades, they should be available to be put on the ship again after someone has finished the grind, even in case he/she has sold them.

Doing this grind and not having that upgrade available is not correct just because it was sold.  They actually must be in the same status as permanent camos after someone has finished the given grind.

 

There is no logic having finished a grind of several missions and then not having that upgrade available just because it was sold, in my case I've accidentally sold a couple and cannot get them back...

 

@MrConway, @Crysantos

hi mate,

 

Don't get me wrong, but why should any player receive back (for credits received) the unique upgrades AFTER he/she made the decision to sell it in the past. I have certain Unique upgrades still laying in my inventory, but NEVER going to sell them due to WG's attitude to change them as currently happening.

 

You played a horrific grind to obtain the mentioned upgrade and then selling it for credits? You can vote me down, but I consider this a cheap way to get something back which you willingly sold.

 

obtain 19.200 RP's to get it back, like people who do not had the opportunity to do the mission for the relevant vessel, but who love to have it.

 

Good luck hunting.