[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,197 battles Report post #1 Posted August 15, 2019 - Go for Typhoon, flavour seems to be 3-5 DD setup, Cossack/Kidd + 2 Akizuki or much worse 4 Kiev + Cossack. I know it works, but imo its retarded because it shouldnt be like that. - Russian BBs are OP af - Bayard is probably the only viable Cruiser to stand a chance against multi DD setup. - BBs are limited to 1 - Why arent DDs limited? On TX its not such a problem, because Cruisers have heal and longer duration radar and more dakka, even more armor which makes them less vulnerable to DDs except Harugumo. But on T8? Cruisers without heal and penable armor everywhere* if you run IFHE DDs. (*some not, 2 out of 3 suck pretty much tho) GG WG, way to ruin Clanbattles aswell. Either try P2W setup (Bayards) or play full META setup with DD only (and Bussian Rias) /rant off 6 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #2 Posted August 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: - Go for Typhoon, flavour seems to be 3-5 DD setup, Cossack/Kidd + 2 Akizuki or much worse 4 Kiev + Cossack. I know it works, but imo its retarded because it shouldnt be like that. - Russian BBs are OP af - Bayard is probably the only viable Cruiser to stand a chance against multi DD setup. - BBs are limited to 1 - Why arent DDs limited? On TX its not such a problem, because Cruisers have heal and longer duration radar and more dakka, even more armor which makes them less vulnerable to DDs except Harugumo. But on T8? Cruisers without heal and penable armor everywhere* if you run IFHE DDs. (*some not, 2 out of 3 suck pretty much tho) GG WG, way to ruin Clanbattles aswell. Either try P2W setup (Bayards) or play full META setup with DD only (and Bussian Rias) /rant off (speaking purely off of what I heard from my clanmates, am not playing this season myself) the problem really isnt that T8 cruisers were weaker against DDs - it's that they get horrendously shat on by the single BB because mostly no heal (and the ones that do heal have other problems - e.g. hilariously garbage DPM), and in 6v6 you just can't afford that. So, thanks to general BB balance as per bloody usual, 4-5DDs it is... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,197 battles Report post #3 Posted August 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said: (speaking purely off of what I heard from my clanmates, am not playing this season myself) the problem really isnt that T8 cruisers were weaker against DDs - it's that they get horrendously shat on by the single BB because mostly no heal (and the ones that do heal have other problems - e.g. hilariously garbage DPM), and in 6v6 you just can't afford that. So, thanks to general BB balance as per bloody usual, 4-5DDs it is... I mean yeah, RU BBs are part of the problem, but the "easy" fix is, to just field your own Russian Bias. Then the better team should win more often too. But against those DD setups? The Cruisers cant just keep up with it, unless its a Bayard, then maybe. 4 DDs shooting 1 Cruiser at 10km and it basicly cant shatter their shells. Put the RU BB ontop of it... sucks the fun out of you Ive seen more and more of those DD setups today, literally everyone was 3-5 DDs and 2 teams had multi Bayard setup. And maybe 2 clans with 1 DD IIRC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] ClappingLollies Players 1,953 posts Report post #4 Posted August 15, 2019 That single russian BB can tank ridiculously many shots. You can kill it with HE yes. But it takes like 20 minutes. Its stupid. You need alot of DDs to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #5 Posted August 15, 2019 there is at least one upside to this though - it created this gem (note our lineup and the opposing clantag): 1 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[A77] WashedandDeceased Players 891 posts 20,781 battles Report post #6 Posted August 16, 2019 Last time I played CB we met a clan (was it NOCAP?) sporting an NC with a compliment of Akizukis and Cossacks Thought it was a meme, now it seems it's the meta 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CapitanoAraym Players 138 posts 19,660 battles Report post #7 Posted August 16, 2019 9 hours ago, DFens_666 said: - Go for Typhoon, flavour seems to be 3-5 DD setup, Cossack/Kidd + 2 Akizuki or much worse 4 Kiev + Cossack. I know it works, but imo its retarded because it shouldnt be like that. - Russian BBs are OP af - Bayard is probably the only viable Cruiser to stand a chance against multi DD setup. - BBs are limited to 1 - Why arent DDs limited? On TX its not such a problem, because Cruisers have heal and longer duration radar and more dakka, even more armor which makes them less vulnerable to DDs except Harugumo. But on T8? Cruisers without heal and penable armor everywhere* if you run IFHE DDs. (*some not, 2 out of 3 suck pretty much tho) GG WG, way to ruin Clanbattles aswell. Either try P2W setup (Bayards) or play full META setup with DD only (and Bussian Rias) /rant off Personally, I do not call it "ruined", but simply using the actual tools in the game. Clan Battle at t.8 is the problem: it is from ages the "cinderella tier". - T.8 Cruisers have hint of the higher tier gameplay, but always in sub-par hulls/no heals/poor DPM to sustain a focus fire in a CB match - T.8 Battleships, instead, can already pack a good punch and pretty decent armor (they cannot play in higher tier random matches, if downgraded/nerfed too much) <--- making cruiser life difficoult - T.8 torp boat destroyer are pretty unuseful (short-ish range), but there are around a couple of very hi-DPM gun boat destroyers that can stay out of radar ranges and still bring damage ... probably time to learn DDs :D And I'm sorry for you, but probably the rant comes from a good spank by a DD team. We (yeah... I personally like DDs) can not be always the sacrifical ships in the glory of a lot of player that are too accustomed to their big, performing, t.10 cruisers. At t.8 you are not the sharks around, but just fat tunas that fall prey. 2 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,339 battles Report post #8 Posted August 16, 2019 It's not what I would call fun, but we adopted to current meta as well and now regularly run 3 or 4 DDs plus a RU BB, ofcourse. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #9 Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, DFens_666 said: I mean yeah, RU BBs are part of the problem, but the "easy" fix is, to just field your own Russian Bias You see Ivan, there will be no statistical evidence of our glorious battleboats being overpowered when everyone plays only them 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] Dento_O Players 53 posts 11,812 battles Report post #10 Posted August 16, 2019 T8 CB... looked like a nice change after 5 seasons of T10 CB and sadly I was wrong. The DPM / Survivalbilty of the Akizuki / Kiev (especially her speed) is so much better than most T8 cruisers anyway. Also nice that WG introduced 2 BBs that can be either killed by ramming, torps or 10 minutes of HE spam! Will be interesting to see what happens to KotS now that they banned CVs for KotS 9 9 hours ago, DFens_666 said: - Bayard is probably the only viable Cruiser to stand a chance against multi DD setup. I doubt it... she just takes so much dmg and struggles to hit a DD above 10 km. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11 Posted August 16, 2019 Radar Edin works surprisingly well I found. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] Dento_O Players 53 posts 11,812 battles Report post #12 Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Radar Edin works surprisingly well I found. She's pretty much the first choice in the Akizuki compositions! Her 10 km radar combined with stealth and her super heal is just very good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRN] Torped1ne Players 309 posts 15,472 battles Report post #13 Posted August 16, 2019 The monster lack of cv's create, enjoy the DD meta 1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #14 Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Torped1ne said: The monster lack of cv's create, enjoy the DD meta But... but... its historically accurate 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #15 Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Torped1ne said: The monster lack of cv's create, enjoy the DD meta uh huh... because this would be SOOOOOOOOOO much more fun with an Enterprise around good one mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,197 battles Report post #16 Posted August 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, Torped1ne said: The monster lack of cv's create, enjoy the DD meta yeah 6vs6 with Enterprise sounds like a lot of fun @El2aZeR could first TK his own team, then kill all others afterwards 1 hour ago, quickr said: It's not what I would call fun Thats the point (kinda)! Then i would just not play. The other CB seasons i had more fun than playing randoms. But this is just frustrating really, because its mostly "do it aswell or lose". 1 hour ago, CapitanoAraym said: And I'm sorry for you, but probably the rant comes from a good spank by a DD team. Lets just say: 5 DD setups is really pissing off people, and thats also why i dont like it. Yeah, we encountered it, and i dont see any possibility to win it with the setup we had. So we tried it ourselves aswell, and you could feel the frustration on the other side, they just wrote GG at the start of the game. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral Players 1,649 posts 9,831 battles Report post #17 Posted August 16, 2019 Yesterday we faced 3 Akis and 2 Cossacks together with BB. It was a disaster. Seriosly, how can you even counter such meme compositions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,339 battles Report post #18 Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: Thats the point (kinda)! Then i would just not play. The other CB seasons i had more fun than playing randoms. But this is just frustrating really, because its mostly "do it aswell or lose". What else is to do? Ranked is cancer. I've grinded all the tech tree lines. Can't remember when was the last time they added new operation. Only game mode with actual proper teamwork is clan battles. And I'm fairly sure I would play it no matter what. WG have to seriously Fu*k it up for me to think about not playing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #19 Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said: Yesterday we faced 3 Akis and 2 Cossacks together with BB. It was a disaster. Seriosly, how can you even counter such meme compositions? Guessing you deal with them the same way you deal with Kremlin - you don't. They deal with you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,197 battles Report post #20 Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, quickr said: What else is to do? Ranked is cancer. I've grinded all the tech tree lines. Can't remember when was the last time they added new operation. Only game mode with actual proper teamwork is clan battles. And I'm fairly sure I would play it no matter what. WG have to seriously Fu*k it up for me to think about not playing it. A little offtopic: Do you feel that you have to wait longer to be matched against a clan this season than before? Atleast for us it feels, that it takes a bit longer than it used to. Might indicate, that less clans are playing this season... 5 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said: Yesterday we faced. 3 Akis and 2 Cossacks together with BB. It was a disaster. Seriosly, how can you even counter such meme compositions? Do the same pretty much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #21 Posted August 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said: uh huh... because this would be SOOOOOOOOOO much more fun with an Enterprise around good one mate 8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: yeah 6vs6 with Enterprise sounds like a lot of fun @El2aZeR could first TK his own team, then kill all others afterwards No worries, devs have you covered. Quote There will be 2 ranked sprints in the 0.8.8 update. The 8th sprint will feature battles between tier VII ships in the 6 vs 6 format, and the 9th sprint will have teams of 7 ships at tier VIII. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #22 Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: Do the same pretty much I don't CB, but wouldn't Lightning prove as good, if not better than Cossack? Same concealment, better gun ballistics, much better firing arcs, all turrets are 360, 2nd quad fish launcher at expense of range and reload and better gun dpm unless Cossack can bring 4th turret to bear, which requires substantial amount of broadside. From gimmicks lacks Engine Boost tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] Dento_O Players 53 posts 11,812 battles Report post #23 Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said: Yesterday we faced 3 Akis and 2 Cossacks together with BB. It was a disaster. Seriosly, how can you even counter such meme compositions? The optimal composition is probably - 1 BB (Vladivostock or Lenin) - 1 Edinburgh (The hardest role needs to be played well else its a 5 vs 6) - 1 Cossack (For spotting) - 3 Akizuki's (Something is burning...) You could also switch 1 Duck for 1 Kiev to stay on one flank annoying the enemy... Else there's not really a way to counter this composition. If you manage to kill their Cossack or an Akizuki and not trade a ship it's pretty much over. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,339 battles Report post #24 Posted August 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: A little offtopic: Do you feel that you have to wait longer to be matched against a clan this season than before? Atleast for us it feels, that it takes a bit longer than it used to. Might indicate, that less clans are playing this season... Queue times are a bit longer, yeah. I know for a fact that quite a few clans are struggling to get a 6 man team going. Let alone two teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral Players 1,649 posts 9,831 battles Report post #25 Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Finxo_O said: The optimal composition is probably - 1 BB (Vladivostock or Lenin) - 1 Edinburgh (The hardest role needs to be played well else its a 5 vs 6) - 1 Cossack (For spotting) - 3 Akizuki's (Something is burning...) You could also switch 1 Duck for 1 Kiev to stay on one flank annoying the enemy... Else there's not really a way to counter this composition. If you manage to kill their Cossack or an Akizuki and not trade a ship it's pretty much over. Thanks. I thought this was a single case. But I see the higher you get we might enqounter more and more such divs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
