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Soviet battleship Poltava, tier VIII

 

This ship is an imagined improvement of the project 64 battleships, designed for the closed waters of the Black and Baltic seas. In reality, work on the initial project was scrapped. The main drawback of the project was the excessive displacement, almost reaching that of the bigger and more well-armed battleships of the project "A". We tried to lower the displacement, whilst keeping the armament and speed when designing Poltava. 

 

The main traits of the ship in game are good armor and low surface detectability, but the range of main caliber guns is quite short. 

 

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Hit points – 59100. Plating - 32 mm.

 

Main battery - 3x3 356 mm. Firing range - 16.2 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 5300. Chance to cause fire – 41%. HE initial velocity - 895 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 11250. AP initial velocity - 895 m/s. Reload time - 30.0 s. 180 degree turn time - 45.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 226 м. Sigma – 1.70.

 

Secondary Armament: 8x2 130.0 mm, range - 5.0 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1900. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 900 m/s

 

AA defense: 6x1 12.7 mm, 8x2 130.0 mm, 8x4 37.0 mm.

 

Maximum speed - 29.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 1000 m. Rudder shift time – 14.8 s.

 

Surface detectability – 13.9 km. Air detectability – 12.0 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 12.1 km.

 

Available consumables:
1 slot - Damage Control Party (Duration time 10 s; Reload time 60 (40) s; Charges 2 (3))
2 slot - Repair Party (Charges 2 (3))
3 slot - Fighter.

 

All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers. The stats are subject to change during testing.

 

American cruiser Puerto Rico, tier X

 

One of the most well armored cruisers in game, Puerto Rico (CA-2D project) is one of the concepts of the Alaska cruiser. The increased number of guns is compensated for by a longer reload and decreased accuracy compared to that of Alaska. 

 

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Hit points – 71650. Plating - 27 mm.

 

Main battery - 4x3 305 mm. Firing range - 18.8 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 4300. Chance to cause fire – 27%. HE initial velocity - 808 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 8900. AP initial velocity - 762 m/s.

Reload time - 22.0 s. 180 degree turn time - 30.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 206m. Sigma – 1.90.

 

Secondary Armament: 8x2 127.0 mm, range - 6.0 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1800. Chance to cause fire – 9%. HE initial velocity - 808 m/s

 

AA defense: 26x1 20.0 mm, 8x2 127.0 mm, 16x4 40.0 mm.

 

Maximum speed - 33.5 kt. Turning circle radius - 910 m. Rudder shift time – 15.9 s.

 

Surface detectability – 17.6 km. Air detectability – 11.86 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 14.27 km.

 

Available consumables:
1 slot - Damage Control Party
2 slot - Hydroacoustic Search/Defensive AA fire
3 slot - Fighter/Spotting Aircraft/Surveillance Radar
4 slot - Repair Party

 

All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers. The stats are subject to change during the testing.

 

Please note that the information in the Development Blog is preliminary.

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Well I knew a super Alaska was coming and so far, at least it doesn't eclipse the Alaska in all things (looking at you, Yoshino and Azuma).

 

I'm all against soviet bias, but, 9 14inch guns at Tier 8? And short range? I'm not sure what that Poltava can achieve at T8.

 

EDIT: Also we are now at 10 announced Tier 10 premium/freemium/special ships already. :Smile_trollface:

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9 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Well I knew a super Alaska was coming and so far, at least it doesn't eclipse the Alaska in all things (looking at you, Yoshino and Azuma).

...yet:Smile_trollface:

 

10 minutes ago, Toivia said:

I'm all against soviet bias, but, 9 14inch guns at Tier 8? And short range? I'm not sure what that Poltava can achieve at T8.

Looking at 895m/s initial shell velocity and wheelbarrow pinch of Bussian Rias her guns might hit just as hard as other "proper" battleships

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Ok.

 

So, a premium stock Vladi? I'm not sure I understand if you're filling a niche here with this ship, there doesn't seem to be any particular value to it from a gameplay or historical perspective and other than its concealment I don't really see how it compared favourably to Vladi. And 356mm guns at tier 8? I don't understand it.

 

And a CA-2D design Alaska at tier 10. Like a small Montana with radar, but in the cruiser slot. Very interesting. Not sure if I like how it looks and having 12 guns will bring an interesting change in playstyle for a T10 US CA. I like my Alaska so will be keeping a close eye on this.

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5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

...yet:Smile_trollface:

 

Looking at 895m/s initial shell velocity and wheelbarrow pinch of Bussian Rias her guns might hit just as hard as other "proper" battleships

Good points, although the problem I see with Poltava guns is no overmatch. Edinburgh is literally the only cruiser* at T8 that can be overmatched by 14inchers.

 

*Actually, damn, is Bayard also overmatchable by 356mm?

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1 minute ago, Toivia said:

Good points, although the problem I see with Poltava guns is no overmatch. Edinburgh is literally the only cruiser* at T8 that can be overmatched by 14inchers.

 

*Actually, damn, is Bayard also overmatchable by 356mm?

Which also can be said about 380mm guns against US/Ger CA.

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I mean, how many cruisers with 27mms are there at T8? 4? 380mm guns still overmatch the vast majority of cruisers, 356mm overmatch 1 or two, aka basically none.

It's just a pain trying to use 356mm AP against T8. I remember that from when I tried to play KGV not as a braindead HE spammer (that attempt didn't last long).

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Why is one extra turret a reason to increase reload and reduce accuracy when going up a tier? Hindenburg also doesn't get worse guns than Roon now, does it? Good thing Stalingrad didn't get an added gun turret over Kronshtadt then...

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Yeah, I think Puerto Rico will get buffed. Then again, don't overlook the additional 16% hp over Alaska and the terrifying alpha on 12 305mm guns.

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17.6km detection range for Puerto Rico while glorious new BB gets 13.9km.

Am I missing something?

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18 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

17.6km detection range for Puerto Rico while glorious new BB gets 13.9km.

Am I missing something?

Well, the height of the main mast. Puerto Rico gets a massive one (EDIT: Oh, and the addition of another massive funnel over Alaska).

Though I suppose the soviet schnoses should get some kind of concealment penalty by themselves. :fish_glass:

 

In other news, Puerto Rico's "decreased accuracy" seems to only be lowered sigma (2.05 ->1.9) compared to Alaska. Dispersion appears to be the same (aka large cruiser one).

Ad funnily enough (not that it really matters), Puerto Rico has more secondaries having amost double the fire chance and firing a kilometer further and with a slightly faster muzzle velocity compared to Alaska. Another attempt at a brawler supercruiser after Siegfried failed so hard gloriously shined in its role of brawler and atomized BB after BB with its mighty secondaries, torps with amazing firing angles and guns without equal, DA, comrade. :Smile_trollface:

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Two paper ships, one of them tier 10, the other from the vast reserve of the Glorious Soviet Navy.

Yeah... no.

Good night.

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Puerto Rico will be cash shop ship?  Cause I was saving money for it when I heard it will come :) 

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1 hour ago, Ragnarox said:

Puerto Rico will be cash shop ship?  Cause I was saving money for it when I heard it will come :) 

As a tier 10 premium it will either be coal, steel or fxp in addition to potentially being in the premium shop.

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On 8/16/2019 at 11:17 PM, El2aZeR said:

17.6km detection range for Puerto Rico while glorious new BB gets 13.9km.

Am I missing something?

 

Yes, the nationalities.

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Puerto Rico such a beauty ! I hope it will be coal, and WG don't even think to make it NTC stuff !

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On 8/16/2019 at 7:09 PM, Toivia said:

Also we are now at 10 announced Tier 10 premium/freemium/special ships already. :Smile_trollface:

That´s slander! WG said they want us to play mid-tiers!

That´s why they don´t release the Yahagi, Leone, Viribu... oh wait.

 

On 8/17/2019 at 2:57 AM, DariusJacek said:

Another 2 BBs, and one of them in a cruiser's slot.

WG is trying hard to bypass 5 BBs limit.

Lyer! WG said they are aware of the problem with the BB-flood and that they will counter it!

By adding more BBs.

 


Meanwhile i come to the forums just to see the wreckage.

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On 8/19/2019 at 10:27 AM, VIadoCro said:

Lyer! WG said they are aware of the problem with the BB-flood and that they will counter it!

By adding more BBs.

You see Ivan, you won't have BB oversaturation issue when you turn every other class into bottlesheeps

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So...Wot is the point of smoll and long russian bb den?

 

has toineh gunz that you find at tier 5 and 6.

 

and face kremlin.

 

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Makes me wonder if they will make any changes to it.

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On 8/16/2019 at 6:09 PM, Toivia said:

Well I knew a super Alaska was coming and so far, at least it doesn't eclipse the Alaska in all things (looking at you, Yoshino and Azuma).

 

I'm all against soviet bias, but, 9 14inch guns at Tier 8? And short range? I'm not sure what that Poltava can achieve at T8.

 

EDIT: Also we are now at 10 announced Tier 10 premium/freemium/special ships already. :Smile_trollface:

Literally bugger all, why is it even a thing, might work at tier 6 maybe

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Well after seeing some gameplay of both Poltava and Puerto Rico, I have some thoughts.

I do not understand how Poltava could ever have been on Tier 8. Even on T7, it looks mediocre at best (and that's after a gun reload buff). Honestly I don't know what to do about the ship. It's not as tanky as Sinop or Gneisenau, doesn't have the firepower of any of the 16inch gun ships, nor is it particularly fast or maneuvrable (it's actually the worst in that respect) - as an aside, funny how Sinop is all of that to a large degree, how come it could be so strong? I wonder...

So I don't see what niche it might eventually fill. Kinda reeks of a reward ship to me, a la old Duke of York and PEF.

 

Puerto Rico, while apparently bad to some streamers, I believe only needs small accuracy tuning. Not to make it as accurate as Alaska, for instance, but close to it. Right now it appears to be regularly hitting fewer shells per salvo than Alaska, which is nonsensical. I think Puerto Rico should on average be achieving salvos as good as Alaska with the occasional much better salvo due to more numerous guns and only rarely salvos worse.

Currently I don't have access to all the stat parameters but afaik PR has both worse dispersion and worse sigma than Alaska, so the obvious buff would be to buff one of the parameters to Alaska levels while keeping the other one worse. Then PR brings a marginally better firepower to Alaska while being a lot more tanky (a lot more health) and I believe also faster.

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