Say No to Subs

[thiextar]

Just NO! You havent even managed to fix carriers yet after 6 months 4 years of trying, how could you possibly conceive that adding submarines is a good idea??? Now, in a month or in a year, it doesn't matter, its a crap idea, and it will lead to even more crap balance and crap gameplay.

 

Classes that wary too much from the norm will by definition always be broken, this is a stupid idea, and it should die in its cradle.

The argument that it will be in a separate game mode is bollocks, its obvious from wargamings tone that the goal is to have them in randoms, and the separate game mode is just for the testing stage. If we dont stop this crap right here and now, they WILL make it into the game. 

 

If ntc taught us anything, it is that when we are united, we have enough power to make changes.

 

Say NO to subs!

 

Here is wargaming themselves explaining why submarines wont work in the game:

 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

15 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Say NO to subs!

 

But you are a …

 

[xxNihilanxx]

5 minutes ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

But you are a …

 

 

Oh, dear lord...

 

I'm giving you a "look" right now. I hope you feel suitably admonished.

[philjd]

"No to subs" Been saying that since the forums were first opened, never mind the game being launched.

[thiextar]

15 minutes ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

But you are a …

 

You....

 

I....

 

Well played

[Episparh]

I already done this in my signature.  And I am committed to enforce that through my PayPal account. 

[thiextar]

5 minutes ago, Episparh said:

I already done this in my signature.  And I am committed to enforce that through my PayPal account. 

Good idea! We should also get signatures pictures that are like a sub with a red cross over it

[nimlock]

Returned to game few feeks ago. Looked up game UI, key bindings and stumbled across submarine controll keys... everything was clear.... 

First post in forums lol

 

[xxNihilanxx]

8 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Good idea! We should also get signatures pictures that are like a sub with a red cross over it

 

Just for you I decided to employ my superb Paint skills.

 

Spoiler

 

[Episparh]

3 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Just for you I decided to employ my superb Paint skills.

 

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Subway Club with double meet and cheese. Seems appropriate 

[Hanse77SWE]

26 minutes ago, philjd said:

"No to subs" Been saying that since the forums were first opened, never mind the game being launched.

Same here!

 

Everytime this has come up I've said "no". My entire clan says "no" to subs in randoms. I allready seting up for my own little "WoWxit".

[Filipin00]

#Yes

why no to subs? I actually can't wait for it.

[lovelacebeer]

If it was a very different kind of game then perhaps subs could work but I have serious doubts of it being possible in WOWS. The very constraints of how the battles are fought don't lend themselves to anti submarine warfare or to even playing subs unless you want to turn every battle into a protracted campfest 

 

Also I can't even see the appeal I found submarine game play in the Halloween event extremely boring (and I play all classes of ship except reworked CV).

[CptBarney]

@Saiyko your frens are ere!!

 

but im not exactly shocked by this at all.

 

wouldn’t surprise me if subs appear at tier 10

 

@ShinGetsu might have to scream if this comes true.

[ShinGetsu]

It just shows that once again WG listen to the braindead part of the playerbase instead of the one that think seriously.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 minute ago, ShinGetsu said:

It just shows that once again WG listen to the braindead part of the playerbase instead of the one that think seriously.

No, they listen to the RUSSIAN player base. They don’t give 2  about the other servers. It’s all to get Russians to spend. More pew pew and sod the thinking part coz that’s not what they want. Just look at Tanks. It’s already been written.

[ApolloF117]

3 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

It just shows that once again WG listen to the braindead part of the playerbase instead of the one that think seriously.

surprise, big not

[xxNihilanxx]

59 minutes ago, Filipin00 said:

#Yes

why no to subs? I actually can't wait for it.

 

Why?

 

Do you remember the uproar from huge swathes of the playerbase when the reworked CVs were introduced and they were OP as hell because they had to be in order to make people want to play them and, consequently, pay for the premium versions when they were released?

 

Remember the uproar from the rest of the playerbase when those self-same CVs were finally nerfed to be more in line with game balance and the cheated feeling that many people who had bought the premiums had?

 

It's about to happen ALL OVER AGAIN.

 

It's just not fair to treat your customers so appallingly. That's why.

[CptBarney]

3 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Why?

 

Do you remember the uproar from huge swathes of the playerbase when the reworked CVs were introduced and they were OP as hell because they had to be in order to make people want to play them and, consequently pay for the premium versions when they were released?

 

Remember the uproar from the rest of the playerbase when those self-same CVs were finally nerfed to be more in line with game balance and the cheated feeling that many people who had bought the premiums had?

 

It's about to happen ALL OVER AGAIN.

 

It's just not fair to treat your customers so appallingly. That's why.

Well they buffed the obj 279 e for reasons i still can't comprehend (the tank sits at 59% winrate was around 54%) so yeah something like this was going to happen, i reckon it will be like those wheely buggies in world of tanks.

 

sodding jousting sticks, bombing around the map at 75knots underwater while spamming 2-6 torpedos every 10-30secs.

[Filipin00]

1 minute ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Why?

 

Do you remember the uproar from huge swathes of the playerbase when the reworked CVs were introduced and they were OP as hell because they had to be in order to make people want to play them and, consequently pay for the premium versions when they were released?

 

Remember the uproar from the rest of the playerbase when those self-same CVs were finally nerfed to be more in line with game balance and the cheated feeling that many people who had bought the premiums had?

 

It's about to happen ALL OVER AGAIN.

 

It's just not fair to treat your customers so appallingly. That's why.

I believe something like this won't happen since they went through with this CV rework and have the experience in what to do and what not to do.

Second thing, I don't care, I bought Graf Zeppelin and Kaga, that's 2 premium carriers and I enjoy them. Sure, Graf needs a drastic changes/buffs but I do have them.

 

Have you ever played WoT?

If so, do you remember the time IS-3A was introduced?

It was a steaming pile of sh**.

And last christmas they buffed it into the sky and became even more OP than the previous king of OP, the mighty defender, and you couldn't buy it anymore, until like this spring or something.

 

My point is, I don't care about premiums, I bought them, I have them, I'm sure at some point they will balance it out. They just need time and their priorities are a bit jumbled up but that's ok.

[xxNihilanxx]

Just now, Filipin00 said:

I believe something like this won't happen since they went through with this CV rework and have the experience in what to do and what not to do.

 

Oh my sweet, sweet child - I do so applaud your optimism.

 

Just now, Filipin00 said:

 

 

Have you ever played WoT?

If so, do you remember the time IS-3A was introduced?

It was a steaming pile of sh**.

And last christmas they buffed it into the sky and became even more OP than the previous king of OP, the mighty defender, and you couldn't buy it anymore, until like this spring or something.

 

My point is, I don't care about premiums, I bought them, I have them, I'm sure at some point they will balance it out. They just need time and their priorities are a bit jumbled up but that's ok.

 

Precisely, as you have demonstrated here, WG are notorious for making the same mistakes over and over and over again. It's one of the traits that make WG so "endearing" (hahaha) the fact that they never learn from their mistakes. Why? Because they refuse to even accept that they made any mistakes.

 

It was whilst studying the WG devs that David Dunning and Justin Kruger first hit upon their hypothesis.

[Episparh]

18 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

No, they listen to the RUSSIAN player base. They don’t give 2  about the other servers. It’s all to get Russians to spend. More pew pew and sod the thinking part coz that’s not what they want. Just look at Tanks. It’s already been written.

I have checked the Russian forums. You are right, it looks like the guys there are 50/50. Ofcource there are also some clever guys asking historians if there were ever a record of a BB damaged or sink by a submarine pointing an obvious flaw of the idea. 

[Filipin00]

10 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Oh my sweet, sweet child - I do so applaud your optimism.

 

 

Precisely, as you have demonstrated here, WG are notorious for making the same mistakes over and over and over again. It's one of the traits that make WG so "endearing" (hahaha) the fact that they never learn from their mistakes. Why? Because they refuse to even accept that they made any mistakes.

 

It was whilst studying the WG devs that David Dunning and Justin Kruger first hit upon their hypothesis.

You know why I quit WoT, even though I spit way too much money on it than anyone ever should on the video game?

 

Because my point of quitting is very very high. I don't quit easily, but when I do, it's done, over.

 

I quit WoT because I learned all tanks armor profiles, every single fu**ing mm of any tank in the game I knew how much armor it has. I knew all my tanks penetration values, pros and cons, I knew the game like my own pocket.

And when you get rekt by someone who spent 50 or more $ on a tank that only skill requires knowing where your "W" and left mouse button is (I'm looking at you, defender) and all your knowledge and skill is disregarded and useless because the vehicle is simply too strong and belongs at least one tier higher. That was my breaking point, and not at first. I bought a lot of premium tanks on my account, feel free to check it out even, I even got some on missions for free (figure out how hard can missions be if the reward is a premium tank that costs money).

 

Something like that never happened to me in WoWS. I've never experienced the point of total helplessness in WoWS like I did in WoT. Not just with premiums or lower tiers, I had tier 10 tanks with highest pen in the game (i.e. Jpz E100 that has highest pen in WoT with gold shells) and when it bounced off of tier 10 russian blyat heavy tank's lower unangled plate or similar sh*t that is when I leave.

 

It would take a serious amount of bull**** to make me quit this game, and as a WoT player I've adapted to some serious bull before and what's happening in WoWS rn is literally not even close to my quitting point.

[Eddy209]

Sorry but is say no to no to subs.

Subs are not carriers - they dont have the spotting issue the "attack anywhere on the map in short notice" , they are much more like any other ship - infact - dds in this game with their invisicloack are pretty much like fast subs with way more firepower. They will rather be to weak rather than to powerfull thus they wont likely be a big hassle to balance.

I like how the community is so easily triggered though. We had alot of changes to the game since it was first released. We had 3 tier MM, we had stealthfiring we had a smoke heavy meta, we had carriers that could be on 5 placess at the same time with loads of alpha damage etc. This game improved alot over time. Alot of us were always kicking and screaming but the game is better than it was. 

And WG is running out of ships so subs are only logical. There is not much left unless they want to dable into cold war weapons territory. And believe me guided weapons would change the game ways more than subs would.

[ApolloF117]

1 minute ago, xxNihilanxx said:

Why? Because they refuse to even accept that they made any mistakes.