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What's with numerous high tier ships sailing without camo lately? I've been noticing for a few days, especially today, that every game has at least one, often more, ships sailing without a camouflage. More often than not a DD. And this is on high tiers. I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw a tier 4 sail without a camo, but today I have seen at least a tier 8 and a 9 DD, and a tier 10 BB??? Type 1 and 2 camo's are 7,5k a piece, that cannot be too expensive even for a guy without premium account and/or ships. Besides, game hands you tons of camos for free all the time. I don't think I personally can ever run out of camos. Do people not take a look at the port UI at all, and not notice that you can mount camos? Cannot be such a black magic that you need to be told of such an option. On the other hand, I've never seen a ship without a camo do well in a match, so maybe mounting a camo is too difficult to do.

 

I've taken a habit to ask in chat, politely mind you, if I see a DD without a camo, why don't they mount one. No one has answered yet (and I might have gotten one report for my effort, although it could have come from some other match).

 

Before anyone asks, no I have not disabled special camos.

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Well tbh - some people are just cheap and causal ones don’t have spare event camos cause they don’t play much enough to gather it from containers/missions, mostly have no premium account so every penny of credits matters . 

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I found myself naked in Kitakaze in Ranked the other day, almost lost me the game. I usually try to save at least one camo.

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1 hour ago, MixuS said:

On the other hand, I've never seen a ship without a camo do well in a match, so maybe mounting a camo is too difficult to do.

Actually, camo gives so little benefit, that it has very small actual impact on the outcome.

 

For example, I have many ships what I have played with and with-out camo. And there is no visible difference between playing it with camo.

 

Do not get me wrong. Camo is good thing do mount. But it is rarely crucial do the outcome.

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4 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

Ranked sucked my creds dry

 

Ranked sucked my soul dry, but that's an entirely different issue...

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15 minutes ago, mariouus said:

Actually, camo gives so little benefit, that it has very small actual impact on the outcome.

Utterly and completely false, especially when talking about DDs. Take two Shimas for example, otherwise identical skills and equipment but one has camoflage and other does not. One with the camo spots the one without always first and can on most situations keep it spotted without getting spotted in return.

 

Dispersion debuff, well that's another story.

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In T8-10 you don't earn enough silver. Even a decent performance doesn't net good results and you may or may not break even. The economy is rigged in this way that anyone grinding out stock ships loses silver starting out as f2p and thats nothing new.  The economical disparity ramp up just makes for longer grinds and more easy targets. Heck, your 10-30 games a day in T10 is equall to 2-3 games a f2p can afford to play at that tier. That's by design. Some pople cut corners, nothing new.

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I have some understanding for "silver"-ships in that it costs credits and all that. Personally I find camo to be a good investment. But I sometimes see premiumships without camo. For that I have no explanation at all. I once asked a guy why he didn't have camo on his premium and he said he didn't like the look of it. Well, I didn't like the look of my helmet when I did my military service but I still wore it because it could save my life.

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2 hours ago, MixuS said:

What's with numerous high tier ships sailing without camo lately?

Lately? 

 

We only recently learned that about 50% of the player base doesn't use premium consumables ... so yeah ... it isn't really surpising that those that are either unknowing or cheap don't use camo's either.

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24 minutes ago, MixuS said:

Utterly and completely false, especially when talking about DDs. 

No, not really. Benefit is extremly small. Only good players facing not that good players benefit from it. Good player not using it, can easily counter not-that-good  players using it.

 

The fact is. Most of the players, in most of the situations. Are just not using the benefits at all.

 

Like I sayed.It is a good thing do have. But it is not crucial. If I was low in credits, Camo was the first thing I removed. Did not influence my performance at all.

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I'd assume people are running out of specific camos and not noticing, not everyone saves a few for collection purposes.

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First of all, I'm f2p. 

I do tend to use camos only when I need to, for example when I have some premium account time, I use them to help me grinding. Or when I just want to use one of the standard camos, but in this case, I use them very rarely.

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I would think forgetfulness is likely the top culprit, at least for better players - we had a nekked Kagero in a high tier game I was in earlier, and he ended up being one of our top performers, if I recall correctly.

 

Whilst I would never deliberately run without cammo, it logically should have a relatively minor impact if I ever forgot.

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3 hours ago, mariouus said:

Actually, camo gives so little benefit, that it has very small actual impact on the outcome

On a DD is very impactful and important. 

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2 hours ago, Hanse77SWE said:

I have some understanding for "silver"-ships in that it costs credits and all that. Personally I find camo to be a good investment. But I sometimes see premiumships without camo. For that I have no explanation at all. I once asked a guy why he didn't have camo on his premium and he said he didn't like the look of it. Well, I didn't like the look of my helmet when I did my military service but I still wore it because it could save my life.

To be fair, I hate the look of my Fujin camo so much that I put different camo on it instead - I have many hundreds, most of which I will never use - besides some camos boost income more. No camo though :Smile_unsure: I like the Hood camo that makes it look naked!

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9 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

On a DD is very impactful and important. 

Only on the ones not running to cap like a nutter and going INSTA-BOOM though. :Smile_hiding:

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4 hours ago, MixuS said:

cannot be too expensive even for a guy without premium account and/or ships.

Premium ship comes with free premium camo. 

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25 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

On a DD is very impactful and important.

It can be. No argument here.

 

But, do be honest. Very few actually use its benefits.

 

On DD, due good base consilement and high speed. Effect is actually smallest. ( It can spend lowest amount of time in that gained zone.

 

When I tested, what to ditch when low on credits, it appared do be most usefull on slow BB. Like Colorado. Having it, or not having it, did not change anything on DD or CA/CL.

 

Statistically speaking, my Hipper actually did better with-out camo. Obviously, having more Camo did not make it worse, so benefits are well inside standard deviation of performance.

 

I am not arguing that it is bad do have. One is better off having it. It just is not that beneficial than expected.

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Only on the ones not running to cap like a nutter and going INSTA-BOOM though. :Smile_hiding:

If you're an Asashio you can cause you have 5.4 concealment, though I'm in a defensive position.

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18 minutes ago, mariouus said:

On DD, due good base consilement and high speed. Effect is actually smallest

Tbh it's a matter of death or life on it sometimes. For CA also. BB can be ok without it. Colorado yes but others I don't think it's very necessary. The dispersion option on camo matters too, it gives +4% for dispersion of enemy shells. 

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1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

If you're an Asashio you can cause you have 5.4 concealment, though I'm in a defensive position.

I know... but the kind that goes BOOM in < 2 minutes is usually not "that kind". 

Probably they think camo is wasted that way, and well, it probably is. 

For example, I'll not put a camo on a French DD when I play it. (Unless it has a middle finger sticking out the smokestack). :Smile_trollface:

 

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They should hand out free and pre-mounted camos (that can only be replaced and not demounted). 

Just like they'll be handing out free prem consumables to compensate for the lack of brain power displayed by the majority of the t10 player base.

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5 minutes ago, aboomination said:

They should hand out free and pre-mounted camos (that can only be replaced and not demounted). 

Just like they'll be handing out free prem consumables to compensate for the lack of brain power displayed by the majority of the t10 player base.

To be fair, i can understand the consumables, since some vessels, particulary frech CAs and US CLs just have an enormous tool box, making then expensive to run. Camo.... it is always only one.

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