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I tried my hardest to do as much as I could in this battle to save the day but to no avail. It was one of those games though that I feel if I had done it a little different Im sure I could have won the day?

 

It was literally a knife edge fight especially at the end, what did I do wrong given the way it was going wrong with their attempt at capping our base and how could I have done it better?

 

Let me know what you think and enjoy the replay

 

20190804_192536_PFSB109-Alsace_50_Gold_harbor.wowsreplay

 

 

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I didn't watch your replay yet, but for a better feedback provide your installed upgrades as well as the captain skills you chose. And if possible the screenshots from the results

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5 minutes ago, principat121 said:

I didn't watch your replay yet, but for a better feedback provide your installed upgrades as well as the captain skills you chose. And if possible the screenshots from the results

Hey principat, I didnt take any screens of the end game results sorry.

 

I do however have a full secondary build on the Alsace I used in this game though:

 

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I feel it was a good game but my situational awareness at the end fell apart, someone suggested to concentrate on the LYON before dealing with the rest. But I didnt want to go off and chase a ghost while the rest of the enemy team barrels down on us. So I went into the FdG Atago group to keep them back!

 

I think in general my map awareness is good as I respond to any developing situation as it occurs.

 

That Fiji gave me trouble too :(.

 

n.b. I was afk for the first two mins of the game, but the enemy team dont usually appear until 17:30 Mins anyway.

 

 

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Imo what i would have done:

 

- Ignore the Lenin down south. I would have went back faster to defend the cap. He should have been dead anyway, your contribution wasnt that big with secondaries anyway.

- Your secondary focus was too much on the BBs. French secondaries dont have that much penetration, and you were against T7. When you were in the base, i would have put them on the Fiji instead of the Lyon.

- Biggest mistake was imo to run towards the Atago and FDG. You should have stayed in your base to get the Lyon first and let them come. They were coming towards you anyway. Would have also made it easier for your DD to torp them.

If that would have failed: nothing you could have done anyway.

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Overall would've followed the same path untill you turned away from engaging that Lyon and toward the fiji later FdG.

 

- Considering the Lenin belonged to a Hurricane clan (RO-RN), going a bit out of your way to sink one of the best enemy players was an eminently sound idea. 

- use your secondaries on DD and cruisers whenever possible (they are low calibre and lack the pen for BB work apart from fires)

- ITA clan player gave you the same advice in chat that I would:

- first use your numbers advantage to finish the Lyon off - sail behind your cap if needed instead of splitting up from the gneisenau and getting defeated in detail. 

- encourage the Lo Yang to find the Z23 and support it with proximity and secondaries.

 

After killing the Lyon off and possibly the Z23, it's your alsace and the gneisenau and LY against a mostly full hp FdG and Atago with a Fiji for support. 

No easy fight, even if played optimal. Wouldn't call this game all the close. Best bet probably to shoot the atago and ram the FdG unless the DD somehow can torp it.

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ITA clan player has done something right?

Everytime I see them in battle it is obvious who will win (confirmation bias), for some reason this clan is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe they are good tacticians, they just die in 5 minutes, or do nothing whole game. Or is it just my personal experience?

Sorry for derailing your thread.

 

Is secondary build worth it? I do enjoy it but is it worth it?

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8 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

ITA clan player has done something right?

Everytime I see them in battle it is obvious who will win (confirmation bias), for some reason this clan is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe they are good tacticians, they just die in 5 minutes, or do nothing whole game. Or is it just my personal experience?

Sorry for derailing your thread.

 

Is secondary build worth it? I do enjoy it but is it worth it?

It does have more secondaries than a school. I estimate 1/3 rd of my damage came from secondaries. You tell me is that worth it??

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2 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

It does have more secondaries than a school. I estimate 1/3 rd of my damage came from secondaries. You tell me is that worth it??

If you gimp your primary damage enough by focusing on secondaries, it still might not be worth it. Aren't all secondaries on the french bbs pointing backwards? I've never tried to spec them like this. Otoh, I'm only doing decent in them. Too often I push at the wrong time, I suppose.

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38 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

If you gimp your primary damage enough by focusing on secondaries, it still might not be worth it. Aren't all secondaries on the french bbs pointing backwards? I've never tried to spec them like this. Otoh, I'm only doing decent in them. Too often I push at the wrong time, I suppose.

No the Richleiu class has their main 152mm secondaries pointing backwards, Alsace class has them centrally aligned with 6 x 2 100mm guns on each side:

 

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2 hours ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

ITA clan player has done something right?

Everytime I see them in battle it is obvious who will win (confirmation bias), for some reason this clan is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe they are good tacticians, they just die in 5 minutes, or do nothing whole game. Or is it just my personal experience?

Sorry for derailing your thread.

 

Nope, have the same experience. And i know a lot of people who also see it the same way :Smile_hiding:

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2 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

No the Richleiu class has their main 152mm secondaries pointing backwards, Alsace class has them centrally aligned with 6 x 2 100mm guns on each side:

 

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and even on the Richelieu, you get very good firing angles out of them. Was surprised myself when I first tested that.

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leave him be, if he wants to run a secondary build on his baguettes as opposed to survivabiliy then fine, it just means he's more likely to rush in trying to get secondary range and die sooner :P

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5 hours ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

ITA clan player has done something right?

Everytime I see them in battle it is obvious who will win (confirmation bias), for some reason this clan is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe they are good tacticians, they just die in 5 minutes, or do nothing whole game. Or is it just my personal experience?

Sorry for derailing your thread.

 

Is secondary build worth it? I do enjoy it but is it worth it?

Got nothing good or bad to say about ITA clans, but this one gave sound advice.

 

Like the GK, Alsace has bad accuracy on the main guns outside secondary range, so building for secondaries is not as troll as it sounds.

 

Reload is so fast it's crazy and the firestarting potential alone is very good, but it does require a full dedicated captain build since penetration is bad so IFHE = mandatory.

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On 8/4/2019 at 10:08 PM, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

n.b. I was afk for the first two mins of the game, but the enemy team dont usually appear until 17:30 Mins anyway.

Wth??? I hate seeing this in games. You're 2:30 behind the rest of your team in positioning.

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28 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Wth??? I hate seeing this in games. You're 2:30 behind the rest of your team in positioning.

I was making cup of tea:cap_tea:, besides in most games your team will move to a certain area of the map before knowing where the enemies are. By doing this you get situations like lemmings to one side etc. So I usually stay AFK or at least move my ship slowly for the first few mins til I know where everyone is and thus where I am needed, I know it looks bad but trust me there is method in the madness.

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V 5. 8. 2019 v 7:58 Sir_Grzegorz řekl/a:

ITA clan player has done something right?

Everytime I see them in battle it is obvious who will win (confirmation bias), for some reason this clan is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe they are good tacticians, they just die in 5 minutes, or do nothing whole game. Or is it just my personal experience?

Sorry for derailing your thread.

 

Is secondary build worth it? I do enjoy it but is it worth it?

ITA are infamous, BUT a few weeks ago i met a great italian guys and i had to type them in their clan topic using a translator. Not all italians play bad.

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Like CZ/SK. We have some good players too :Smile_teethhappy:


 

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18 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I was making cup of tea, besides in most games your team will move to a certain area of the map before knowing where the enemies are. By doing this you get situations like lemmings to one side etc. So I usually stay AFK or at least move my ship slowly for the first few mins til I know where everyone is and thus where I am needed, I know it looks bad but trust me there is method in the madness.

It's a bad method still. If you want to improve, use the pre-battle time to check teammates and enemy ships/players and where you probably is of most use on this map, go at the start of the battle, adapt to the new circumstances as they appear. It's just bad manner to start afk. You're leaving the enemy team at advantage every time you do.

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37 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

It's a bad method still. If you want to improve, use the pre-battle time to check teammates and enemy ships/players and where you probably is of most use on this map, go at the start of the battle, adapt to the new circumstances as they appear. It's just bad manner to start afk. You're leaving the enemy team at advantage every time you do.

How can you check enemy positions if they dont appear for the first 2 mins? Mind you I dont do this every game only when there are good players on the opposite team. I am wary of what they might do, I cant just follow the crowd....

 

But thats the million dollar question though isnt it. Where is the enemy gonna be, 2mins from the start. You either follow the heard, anticipate/move or wait for the map to mature.

 

Tell you what, I will do another game in the Alsace, where I am not afk at the beginning and actually flank capping DDs to reinforce their position at the start. Lets see how good my initial positioning/perception is.

 

One thing that is apparent is that we lost the game because of me.....

 

I remember the ITA player in the Gneisenau saying Lyon first then Atago and then FdG as I was heading toward the FdG and I realised then we have lost this game :(.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

How can you check enemy positions if they dont appear for the first 2 mins? Mind you I dont do this every game only when there are good players on the opposite team. I am wary of what they might do, I cant just follw the crowd....

Enemy positions aren't known until later, but you can check potential threats/bad match-ups by pressing TAB. You move in at start to support your smaller ships. dds move out to spot (kind of what you want), cruisers follow to support the dds and increase the survival of the dds, bbs (you) move to support your cruisers and dds. If you stay at spawn you're not much of support. That said, it's great to have a plan forming what to do if it appears the enemy fleet is lemmingtraining your way, or if you've got no back-up.

The other scenario could be that there's enough support on your flank because you've got some bad bbs leaving their flank to join yours. If you've been sitting afk for the first few minutes, that off-flank is likely getting stomped by the enemy. Sometimes, in the right ship, you can somewhat mitigate that damage by going there early.

 

There's no reason to sit afk the first minutes to understand what is happening or what to do.

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3 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Enemy positions aren't known until later, but you can check potential threats/bad match-ups by pressing TAB. You move in at start to support your smaller ships. dds move out to spot (kind of what you want), cruisers follow to support the dds and increase the survival of the dds, bbs (you) move to support your cruisers and dds. If you stay at spawn you're not much of support. That said, it's great to have a plan forming what to do if it appears the enemy fleet is lemmingtraining your way, or if you've got no back-up.

The other scenario could be that there's enough support on your flank because you've got some bad bbs leaving their flank to join yours. If you've been sitting afk for the first few minutes, that off-flank is likely getting stomped by the enemy. Sometimes, in the right ship, you can somewhat mitigate that damage by going there early.

 

There's no reason to sit afk the first minutes to understand what is happening or what to do.

I updated my post but ultimately you are right.

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19 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Tell you what, I will do another game in the Alsace, where I am not afk at the beginning and actually flank capping DDs to reinforce their position at the start. Lets see how good my initial positioning/perception is.

Sounds good, just beware of pushing too deep on a flank. I like the strategy, but I've been mistaken on the strength of the enemy on said flank too many times. Makes for some good games, but I'm still adjusting how/when/where to commit to pushing flanks.

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2 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I was making cup of tea

wow, so you make a thread about what you did wrong, you answered it yourself, i hope you got reported as AFK...

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2 minutes before you even move??? stopped watching at that point as I realised the thread is a massive attention seek as usual. :Smile_facepalm:

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On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 8:02 PM, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I tried my hardest to do as much as I could in this battle to save the day but to no avail. It was one of those games though that I feel if I had done it a little different Im sure I could have won the day?

 

It was literally a knife edge fight especially at the end, what did I do wrong given the way it was going wrong with their attempt at capping our base and how could I have done it better?

 

Let me know what you think and enjoy the replay

 

20190804_192536_PFSB109-Alsace_50_Gold_harbor.wowsreplay

 

 

 Thanks for posting that replay.

 

Just my thoughts on this one and please don't take this the wrong way...

Your Mentality is your enemy here IMO....

 

Mate you need to stop rushing everything. Your aim is really rushed, (your just aiming at the ship, not aiming at somewhere on the ship) Your afk for the first 2 mins (Seriously?) and then have to RUSH to get into position, that rush then goes on for the hole game. You had that ship at literally Max speed throughout constantly firing....and missing a lot of shots that could have had more impact. I just get this feeling from how long you have been playing (and from what I see in your replays) you've racked up 5667 battles which is nearly 12 games a day in just 1 year and 5 months if you play every day, If you don't then your playing even more in a day. You obviously have time on your hands so I just think you need to slow down mate and use the time more wisely. Actually THINK about what your about to do and WHY your doing it. ITS NOT A RACE. Near the end of the game you chose to go south and engage targets that were outnumbering you with no support , instead of staying north with two others and finishing of the lion and Fiji which were more of a threat to your base. Your clearly an aggressive player but as is said , speed is nothing without control.

With the amount of Battles you have played you should know most of these maps by heart now, position is key. If your running around like a nutter trying to wipe everything of the face of the earth your going to make mistakes, more than normal Im afraid.

Anyway not a bad performance by any means mate, just that last decision to go south.

Slow down a bit, take your time on the decision making progress

 

Ps. How many HE rounds did you fire (from main) that game?

Now ask your self why?

 

 

 

 

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