Guepard vs Aigle

[BanzaiPiluso]

Ok, I tried the Guepard that I got on a mission. Three battles and I had enough. What's the point if Aigle can do everything better and use smoke?

Is just plain suicide.

Any tips or tricks or magic spells to use the Guepard or the clue is in not using it at all?

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

You are a Shepherd. They are the sheep.

You make gun noises to lead them the way you want them to go and hurt them with torps if they don't comply.

 

Just imagine them being sheep.

[philjd]

15 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

You are a Shepherd. They are the sheep.

You make gun noises to lead them the way you want them to go and hurt them with torps if they don't comply.

 

Just imagine them being sheep.

I like that.... :)

 

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On topic

I have both - the guns on the Guepard seem to be better, the Aigle I never really got on with as the shells were too floaty for gun boating. Only 1 battle in Guepard so far and I quite liked her - more than I could say for the Aigle. (the smoke would be handy though!)

[KillStealBoss]

Oh well, at least I know what I'll free exp for 100%

[Verblonde]

18 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

Any tips or tricks or magic spells to use the Guepard or the clue is in not using it at all?

I'd be quite interested in thoughts on this too.

 

I've mainly been playing Clans and Coop lately (the latter because it's been the efficient way to get missions done), so my new French DDs haven't had a run out against real people yet; at the moment, I'm thinking in terms of of them sort of being really fast dakka cruisers i.e. make a nuisance of oneself with guns (and the occasional torp - 8 km is very usable) in short bursts (with MBRB when available) before breaking contact behind islands/other people's smoke etc. Late game maybe try some capping, but not before (unless the opposition do something silly).

 

My initial impressions of the line were wildly unimpressed (no smoke etc.), but on further reflection, I think they could be fun, just not as a traditional DD.

 

Of course, I could be all kinds of wrong, hence interest in other views/approaches.

[BanzaiPiluso]

I can get some success with the Aigle, but being constantly spotted is not fun. The other option is to avoid contact for the first couple of minutes, but then you are not taking caps. 

Will keep on trying but is killing me all these loses.

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

One good game so far, but you lose a lot of hit points disengaging.

CV games are a pain in the rear end.

[KillStealBoss]

15 hours ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I can get some success with the Aigle, but being constantly spotted is not fun. The other option is to avoid contact for the first couple of minutes, but then you are not taking caps. 

Will keep on trying but is killing me all these loses.

 

Well, you have to play it like Khaba. They're fast flankers, not good at any kind for capping. 

[elblancogringo]

Honestly, mid tier french DDs are a pain in the a**

I believe they really start being powerful at tier 8.

Even the Vauquelin at tier 7 is still very hard to handle properly. It lacks the speed that tier 8 and above can show. I've had a few satisfying games with the Vauquelin but God I had to try so hard.

Don't misunderstand me, they have very powerful guns and can punish heavily some ships, but they're really extremely hard to play.

People believe French DDs are really fast and that their speed is the way to dodge and do your "light cruiser and DD hunter job". That's true only at tier 8 and above.

[KillStealBoss]

9 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

Honestly, mid tier french DDs are a pain in the a**

I believe they really start being powerful at tier 8.

Even the Vauquelin at tier 7 is still very hard to handle properly. It lacks the speed that tier 8 and above can show. I've had a few satisfying games with the Vauquelin but God I had to try so hard.

Don't misunderstand me, they have very powerful guns and can punish heavily some ships, but they're really extremely hard to play.

People believe French DDs are really fast and that their speed is the way to dodge and do your "light cruiser and DD hunter job". That's true only at tier 8 and above.

Oh, another one to free exp...

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

1 hour ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

Ok, I tried the Guepard that I got on a mission. Three battles and I had enough. What's the point if Aigle can do everything better and use smoke?

Is just plain suicide.

Any tips or tricks or magic spells to use the Guepard or the clue is in not using it at all?

 

Your a DD hunter/killer.

 

 

In one of the showcased scenes I go up against a Aigle + another DD and a Dallas in my Geupard, so its me against 3 (1 of who is a DD killing light cruiser). Guess which 2 die to my guns and who survives to the end of the match?

 

Aigle dont have the pure killing potential as Geupard.

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, philjd said:

I have both - the guns on the Guepard seem to be better, the Aigle I never really got on with as the shells were too floaty for gun boating.

Strange, looking at the ships in WoWSFT it appears their guns have the same stats. Cognitive bias?

 

45 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

Even the Vauquelin at tier 7 is still very hard to handle properly.

I really like that one, so much I grabbed the event camo. The improvements to Guepard may appear slight, but they can felt in the game.

[The_Gathering]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Your a DD hunter/killer.

 

This.

 

Use premium reload booster and equip your dd/commander for survivability. You really need to make all your shells count in the 15 second booster window and out-dpm the enemy dd, which is why the Guepard excels at close to very close range.

[illy]

had a disappointing day in her today, only have a low point captain so i expect it will improve as i gain more captain skills, the torps are great for ambushing BBs ...fast and hard hitting, the guns are ok but the shell velocities are leisurely, i'd gladly take a Guepard on in a gunfight in my Podvoisky for instance, so kiting away and getting chasers is good in her as is sneaking around getting caps, i keep by anything with decent AA at the start if there is a cv as you can run but can't hide, so i think i'll i'll grab an Aigle as the smoke can be a life saver

[Procrastes]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Aigle dont have the pure killing potential as Geupard.

So I guess the Guépard could be quite useful in operations, then? The Aigle performed quite well in Raptor Rescue last week, and it was her arsonist guns that were the most useful. Having those guns on speed might come in handy?

[Breezewind]

Pair up with another DD or a radar cruiser. Kill enemy DDs before attempting to cap. When enemy DD is detected, hit speed boost and melt them with reload booster. Make every shot count and use pre-emptive torps and torps into smokes. Keep the teams AA cover close. Ask CV to support you with spotting.

 

In the late game spam HE from max range (russian style) and flood them with torps.

 

Captain skill wise: at least concealment, prev. maintenance, surv. expert.

[invicta2012]

37 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

The Aigle performed quite well in Raptor Rescue last week, and it was her arsonist guns that were the most useful. Having those guns on speed might come in handy?

Aigle is better. I score about 50% higher in Operations with her rather than Guepard.... the G is a good ship but Aigle has smoke, faster torp reload and much stronger torps. Guepard's guns are good but you won't get much of an opportunity to use them in Ops. In Randoms, Guepard is probably better but mostly for the brave.

[asalonen]

3 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Your a DD hunter/killer.

This. I got Le Terrible when it was released, and it took quite a while to figure out the beast. You need to use the speed to control your engagements. Play near concealment range, aggressive engagement, gun them down, smart disengagement. With some help from terrain, yoy can also use the speed to do epic YOLO rushes with the torps. 

 

That being said, the tech tree counterpart Le Fantasque seems to be a more forgiving, less extreme version of the Terrible. It trades a bit of top speed and a lot of gun DPS for better AA and better concealment. 

 

But this is what the line is all about. Not so much about dakka-dakka from a distance, like the Russian DD's. 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

2 hours ago, Procrastes said:

So I guess the Guépard could be quite useful in operations, then? The Aigle performed quite well in Raptor Rescue last week, and it was her arsonist guns that were the most useful. Having those guns on speed might come in handy?

Dont remember which thread it was now but someone had a monster game in operations with Geupard.

[Procrastes]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Dont remember which thread it was now but someone had a monster game in operations with Geupard.

How about the firing angles on the Guépard? Are they as bas as those on the Aigle?

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, Procrastes said:

How about the firing angles on the Guépard? Are they as bas as those on the Aigle?

They are much better, in fact compared side by side the Aigle looks horrible. You can look them up on WoWS FT.

 

 

[Procrastes]

18 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

They are much better, in fact compared side by side the Aigle looks horrible. You can look them up on WoWS FT.

That settles it, then. The horrible firing angles are what kills the Aigle... if I so much as look sideways at the rudder, one or more of my turrets stop firing. 

[DFens_666]

For me, performed better than i initially thought... maybe they are useful after all.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

16 hours ago, Procrastes said:

So I guess the Guépard could be quite useful in operations, then? The Aigle performed quite well in Raptor Rescue last week, and it was her arsonist guns that were the most useful. Having those guns on speed might come in handy?

Just tried it out in Operations and it performs well.

 

 

 

 

[philjd]

20 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Strange, looking at the ships in WoWSFT it appears their guns have the same stats. Cognitive bias?

Probably, which is why I said 'seem to be' - only the 1 battle as well so no where near conclusive :)