DD and EXP

[veslingr]

Ffs what a dd must do to pass 2k mark?

 

so 120 k dmg is not enough and 4 kills (2 devastating)?....ok there were alot of dmg to BBs......but there were 2 solo caps and 1 assisted...+ 40 k spoting dmg.

 

Only thing i could grasp is that dmg was done to 2 ters lower ships....but still....

 

1983 base exp

 

it looks like game do not reward dmg, it do not reward caps it does not reward spotting, it does not reward kills....wtf is DD rewarded?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

You make it sound like getting 2k should be standard?

[159Hunter]

Main damage done to -2 tier ships. The other way around would have netted you 2k 

[veslingr]

1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said:

You make it sound like getting 2k should be standard?

offc not, but still in this game i did what dd supposed to do....cap, spot, dmg.

2k is solid mark.....but we all know that 100k dmg in dd is like 250 in bbs + 3 caps (primary task of dd)...i would get if i farmed fire or flood dmg and beeing ussles).....but 3 caps?

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

Dev strikes, 2 solo caps on high tiers.... somebody said once to me that they reduced the solo cap exp gaining. He was right. 

[veslingr]

6 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Main damage done to -2 tier ships. The other way around would have netted you 2k 

yes....but it seams 3 caps like does not count? It looks to me (personal exprince no hard proof) that dds exp from caps were nerfed to oblicion...2 years ago with 3 caps (2+1) and 1 dd dead i would mark 2k like noting.

 

2,5 k games were not that unusuall.....now i do not remember reacing 2,5k base in dd.

 

MINUS - dmg to lower lvl ships and BBS

PLUS - 2+1 cap

PLUS - 4 kills (killing ships gives 20% of dmg value or something?)

PLUS - 120 k (it is not small number)

PLUS 40 k spot (ok it is not strong, but it should ad up)

 

this primary bothers me for ranked where saving star in DD is just so damn hard

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Dev strikes, 2 solo caps on high tiers.... somebody said once to me that they reduced the solo cap exp gaining. He was right. 

and after that we are angry of DDs not going for cap....why would he risk so much (other dds, radars, hydro) for so small reward? Yes team effort for win....but sometime you just wanna grind thru some ship fast....and game do not encourage you to play as you shood play...it encourage you to farm dmg and colect EXP...which is fundamentaly wrong for dd

[ColonelPete]

2.2k base with 88k damage:

https://replayswows.com/replay/56843#stats

 

2.3k base with 160k damage:

https://replayswows.com/replay/55823#stats

[BLUB__BLUB]

6 minutes ago, veslingr said:

and game do not encourage you to play as you shood play...it encourage you to farm dmg and colect EXP...which is fundamentaly wrong

...fundamentally wrong for ANY ship, really. That is how we get weird games and ROFLSTOMPS.

 

But hey.. holiday has begun... let's see if it gets better... 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

28 minutes ago, veslingr said:

we all know that 100k dmg in dd is like 250 in bbs 

 

No? 

 

Getting 100k BB damage is actually not hard at all in a lot of DDs. 

 

But maybe capping and killing other DDs is sometimes not rewarded sufficiently. 

 

 

[DFens_666]

32 minutes ago, veslingr said:

  2,5 k games were not that unusuall.....now i do not remember reacing 2,5k base in dd.

 

 

142k damage, 1 solo cap, T8 heavy game (4 T9 / 2 T7)

Confederate and Devstrike as achievements

 

Just 2 weeks ago.

 

They just nerfed XP damage to -2 tier ships heavily imo.

[veslingr]

35 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

No? 

 

Getting 100k BB damage is actually not hard at all in a lot of DDs. 

 

But maybe capping and killing other DDs is sometimes not rewarded sufficiently. 

 

 

Average numbers do not agree here . Bbs average 2x dds dmg tier per tier

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

...

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	agro damage	spot damage	hit ratio
1	BB	Higher Tier	15596	446069	28.60	50.24	0.02	49.74	1479	65285	0.73	3.01	3.58	4.17	35.00	1.12	1309389	18481	28.14
1	CA	Higher Tier	12141	339770	27.99	50.49	0.02	49.49	1488	58214	0.68	2.83	6.32	6.79	34.52	1.04	882796	16887	30.92
1	CV	Higher Tier	1008	26894	26.68	50.87	0.03	49.10	1699	60861	0.81	4.73	0.49	12.01	75.34	3.28	236857	58104	0.00
1	DD	Higher Tier	8094	236160	29.18	50.26	0.02	49.72	1498	41726	0.72	1.49	29.70	6.11	30.87	1.04	494475	29426	42.77

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

You did mostly damage to under aged ships, which were even BBs. Try to hit more important ships?

 

[Sub_Human]

6 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

You make it sound like getting 2k should be standard?

At tier eight on a good day it is ;)

Farming t10s  DD heaven.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, Systergummi said:

At tier eight on a good day it is ;)

Farming t10s  DD heaven.

T9 is where it's at with DD's 

God tier for them

 

Spoiler

 

[WarburtonLee]

100k dmg, 2.8k base exp.

[Sub_Human]

10 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

T9 is where it's at with DD's 

God tier for them

 

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I agree that t9 is a sweetspot for DDs. But when it comes down to xp. I sometimes feel like every game is 2000+ at t8. You only need 100k dmg, 2 kills and 2 caps. At t9 as your games show you need a bit more.

I had a game in the Kebab this week. Only 95k dmg but killed one Yoshino, one Henry, one Harugumo, one Shima and a Kii. 1500 xp...

[Tyrendian89]

20 hours ago, veslingr said:

so 120 k dmg is not enough and 4 kills (2 devastating)?....ok there were alot of dmg to BBs......but there were 2 solo caps and 1 assisted...+ 40 k spoting dmg.

 

Only thing i could grasp is that dmg was done to 2 ters lower ships....but still....

what's the point of this thread, when you so comprehensively answer your own question whining?

Plus which, it's not like 120k (almost all of which was against BBs two tiers lower ffs) would be an exceptional game in a T9 DD - it's a good solid match, and you got the XP for a good solid match.

[veslingr]

On 7/27/2019 at 1:52 PM, Tyrendian89 said:

what's the point of this thread, when you so comprehensively answer your own question whining?

Plus which, it's not like 120k (almost all of which was against BBs two tiers lower ffs) would be an exceptional game in a T9 DD - it's a good solid match, and you got the XP for a good solid match.

Hi. :)

 

i dont know why so experienced player missed point that i am aware that dmg part is what it is (bbs, 2 tier lower) but what puzzles me is that on top of that there are 2 solo caps and 1 assisted (which should be DDs primary job). and it seams that part was rewarded wit almost nothing EXP.

 

is it a whine? Probably it is. But not part about EXP for dmg, but part about EXP for capping.

Capping + spotting should be DDs primary EXP builder, not DMG.......

 

Nobody can cap as DD, DD is second best spotter (CV) in game and most EXP he is getting from thing that is his secondary role and in which he basically sucks compared to all other classes - DMG.

Khaba (as top DPS of all dds) is on 45 place of top DPS-ers in game with exactly half the dmg of top DPS-er in game.

 

or to put it in perspective, not a single t10 dd out DPS any other class on tx bracked.....and most EXP dds get from - dmg.....sounds logic :)

 

 

 

 

[KielYourself]

Oh look who is back, welcome back @veslingr

 

 

The best way to get a lot of xp in dds, from my experience, is to get caps that will generate lots of points, doing dmg to other dds and just playing the objectives and trying to win rather than big damage numbers and farming. 

[veslingr]

6 minutes ago, Miki12345 said:

Oh look who is back, welcome back @veslingr

 

 

The best way to get a lot of xp in dds, from my experience, is to get caps that will generate lots of points, doing dmg to other dds and just playing the objectives and trying to win rather than big damage numbers and farming. 

I was always here, but grinding Benham so no time to forumwars :)

 

Bolded part is "problem", i do not see games rewards you for caps. Otherwise 120 k dmg + 2 solo caps + 1 assisted (game was won on poits btw and i was last shp sailing frm our team) should generate more EXP.

 

Damn :) RN BB HE spammer passed 2k mark dooing simmilar dmg to mine, 0 caps...but he was t7.....which leads me to conclusion that game gives crap about caps right now, just the dmg and difference to what tier dmg was done.

[ColonelPete]

Caps are rewarded, you can test it, if you want.

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Caps are rewarded, you can test it, if you want.

i thought this game was a solid test :)

 

yes they give some reward, but i see not "proof" of them big big or relevant

[Hanse77SWE]

 

126k in a toptier game with 1 328 BXP. So those caps do count for something.