Update 0.8.6: French Destroyers

[Klopirat]

3 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

but I found the trick from WG

trick? why is it a "trick"?

 

Not only the article states clearly what you get, but it is shown also ingame...and yes, it was the same for snowflakes, lower tiers gave coal already back then...

[novents]

@The_EURL_Guy @Crysantos

 

Hey guys, first of all - absolutely love the idea of historical commanders. There’s a sizeable population of players out there who play this game because they are either interested in ships as a whole, or  enjoy the history of WW1/2 naval engagements, or both. For these players, the “lore” aspect of historical commanders gives a lot of flavour, and that’s important. 

 

At the same time it baffles me how poorly this was implemented in game. I’ll be as constructive as possible in the bullet points below. 

 

- this was not widely advertised/ hyped pre- 0.8.6 release. I did a search and only found one (!) user reddit post with screenshots from pts armory. For something that has big “lore”/flavour potential, it was just swept under the rug

 

- why would anyone pay 1,500dbl for a pixel face with the only “flavour” being a paragraph description lifted from Wikipedia? Who is this “content” aimed at?

++ Veteran players already have more 19pt commanders than ships in port, they don’t need another “vanilla” / no perks commander occupying a slot in reserves

++ For active players with at least one 19pt commander able to generate elite com xp, the cost of creating a fresh 10pt commander is only 183,000xp. That can be done in less than 10 decent games with all flags/camos. Maybe 15-20 games with only basic flags and premium account. That’s 2 days (!) to a week of casual gaming time. 

++ For “non-wallet” players who can’t afford or don’t want to buy premium account, and for whom the grind is a struggle? If you refuse to buy prem account (for various reasons incl. keeping it F2P), why would you suddenly splash money? Or if you can’t even afford a prem account - being offered to pay €€ /dbl for a “vanilla” commander is just a slap in the face.

++ for naval geeks? 1,500dbl price is still a rip off considering you previously sold unique commanders with skill buffs for the same price. 1 paragraph of text “flavour” doesn’t do it. You need to lower the price significantly (150-300dbl max or silver credits) but then it’s going to be a huge waste of lore potential, or offer perks/more historical flavour (suggestions below)

++ for brand new players? This is literally the only population of players for whom a 10pt commander is a valuable commodity, but then again there are 10pt commanders available for 4 stars in operations like Killer Whale/Aegis or simple in game mission chains (like the one that drops Shinonome). Not to mention that you can still buy Jutland, Dunkirk, Honore and others for the same price and also get unique perks! 

 

With all of the above in mind, here are my suggestions: 

 

1) you could add commander perks, similar to Jutland/Dunkirk and other brothers. This is a simple solution, given there are precedents in game - @Sadzior made some good suggestions on p1 of the thread. 

 

2) you could add small economy perks, which will give “flavour”. For example: a) +50% commander xp earned. The “lore” is that these are commanders who saw real life action and earn experience at an accelerated rate  - why not differentiate them from Jutland/Dunkirk and other brothers by making them good at grinding/farming xp... b) +50% free experience gain by commanding the specific mid tier ship or the line of ships (DDs, cruisers) they’ve commanded historically IRL. This could also boost popularity of mid tier ships you’re so desperately trying to increase (the supposed reason for the whole NTC story). These are small buffs (like having a baked in flag) that won’t break the economy, that give good historical flavour and that would actually entice people from all categories I listed above to consider a purchase. 

 

Please consider these suggestions, you could do a micro patch to fix this easily I imagine. 

 

I (for one) am ready to open my wallet to historical commanders. But as it stands right now I have absolutely no reason to.

 

Wallet = closed

[Danihe_2400]

Operation of saving raptor is back,I thought it would be nice but I was wrong.

The AI ships are not greatly changed,so the problem is,wg seems has never thought about the changes they made on cv,they nerf (or maybe destory)the damage of cvs,which turned not only raptor,but also newport into disaster.

Now the CV CANNOT deal with the AI CV alone,which means there must be a cruiser heading for the hosho at southeast,and in the very next wave,there are two dds.So if it's a team with 1 cv  3bb 2cl and 1dd,there's only 1cl staying with raptor,and he has to deal with 2dd within a quite short time,before they torp raptor to death.And those ships which are good dealing with dds,has always difficulties to live so long,Dallas,nuremburg,shchors,these are always priority target of AI,if they make a mistake,the operation is already lost.

And what's more,in this operation there's everywhere Aoba,and usually they show up together with other ships,making it for CVs even harder or just impossible to attack.And with cleveland goes into t8,the strongest gunpower is removed from t6.

All these means,the firepower of the player team is significantly weaker than the past,but the AI team is not,so now the players can just make no mistakes,or they will lose,and quite fast.

As for Newport,you can still say it's the problem of the players,as most of them just stay in habor and turn themselves in to sitting ducks.But Raptor?No,it's only the problem of design.

[Tixxxa]

This update kille the game for me X(

 

The game started crashing on my computer with savage update (in savage matches). regular matches worked fine

 

Now the game crashes in standard games .. ( 5  hard boots in last 2h) .. too pad I just bought premium time .. yesterday and day before and remaing 3 days looks to be total waste. total of 5 days .. At very least I would like to get my premium time back (refund, boxes I can open to get the premium account activated, what ever (IF I return if/when I get upgrade) Really REALLY pissed off right now!!

 

I have updated the drivers and done all the it tricks related to crash code .. running the game without any other programs running. down to as low on graphics/sound as one can go.

At very least I would like to get my premium time back (IF I return if/when I get upgrade)

[Stronginthearms]

On 7/23/2019 at 5:29 PM, elmir108 said:

So many ships get a nerf. Henri gets 0,7 seconds longer reload, Jutland gets 0,5 longer reload and conqueror a major change. BUT the Wargaming bias nerf their "precious" alien ship grozovoi by 0,2 seconds! Are you kidding me!? 

This destroyer is by far the best DD in the game, much to it's large choice of consumables and ship characteristics and WG bastards just change the reload time by 0,2. Come on, you do that just because it is your "nation"....

 

for course they it is called russian bias 

[Alfa_Tau]

On 7/25/2019 at 8:12 PM, Klopirat said:

trick? why is it a "trick"?

 

Not only the article states clearly what you get, but it is shown also ingame...and yes, it was the same for snowflakes, lower tiers gave coal already back then...

Didn't read the article at first. I watched the official video on you tube, and there it was NOT mentioned so clearly.

Anyway no problem. a present is a present and also getting coal is ok. 

 

[Munchboii]

I just got the Guepard in a french collection container. Happy is an understatement. Now I can grind for the republic tokens

[naztb]

Normally when there is an update the comments pages are quite lengthy its been 6 days and there are only 3 pages.That tell sits own story no one really cares anymore and cant be bothered to post. Its not as if the update was anything new Mission top try and bypass the grind on the next tech tree Premium containers to try and increase your chance of by passing the grind, Though I must admit I never saw the Historical commanders with no abilities coming.Those commanders are a new low even for WG hoping that people will buy them because of the name is hitting below the belt and a straight cash grab. Everything WG have done recently is a cash grab and lengthy missions to try and prop up a dwindling player base. Sad thing is if they actually put as much effort into fixing the game and making it fun again they would make more money. The premium CV were the icing on the cake they said stats were not final and may change and as soon as they had peeked and Premium CV sales dropped they hammered them. Interesting how they nerfed CV most against DDs  when they knew that French DDs were next tech tree line and there were a few premium DDs coming up for release.I would not be surprised when they have sold all they can DD wise that they will buff CV again. 

[gavk1]

UK BB battle ships changes

 

why make the citadel roof of the uk tier 7 bbs 25 mm? just got one shotted by a musashi at close range, even at a high angle, good job wargaming 

 

maybe focus on match making spread 

[xxwingerxx]

lol m8 logged on for 20 min first day dd token other m8 now has 2 token dds me still waiting played every day and still waiting lol no progretion through the prizes for me and bying random boxes were the odds are clear s.u.

[Proximat3]

Just wondering how to pass Directive #3.

I have French JB, Japanese, US and UK ships. So in total I can complete 4/6 missions O_O

I also received Jaguar from a container (like 1 french ship within 10+ containers). But it's not possible to complete french DD mission with Jaguar.

So unless I don't grind german and russian ships up to tier 5 I'm stuck on directive 3.

It's bs...

 

P.S.

Well I just fxped to Piotr, then I go german. What else can I do :(

[300ConfirmedKills]

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For the duration of the update, your first win with a ship marked with a Symbol of France will either bring you Coal or a new temporary resource—Republic Tokens.

0.8.6 is still live, but none of the ships I have yet to play this patch have any Symbols of France on them. Neither is the symbol an available filter on the ship carousel any more. What is going on? I have a a lot of tokens and coal that I plan to obtain over the last few days of this patch.
@Crysantos @SeaSickOllie

[Tanatoy]

12 hours ago, 300ConfirmedKills said:

0.8.6 is still live, but none of the ships I have yet to play this patch have any Symbols of France on them. Neither is the symbol an available filter on the ship carousel any more. What is going on? I have a a lot of tokens and coal that I plan to obtain over the last few days of this patch.
@Crysantos @SeaSickOllie

Hi and thank you for telling us.

 

We are aware of the issue, and you can expect information on portal about this on Friday. 

[CurtisNewton]

Just my - belated - 2 cents, as I was pretty much not involved in the game from February (does anybody need reminding that the CV rework was and still is rubbish?) onwards till about a month ago: Why on Earth was the Hatsuharu reduced to 2 turrets with her stock hull? Playing her as a gun-boat with survivability expert was the ONLY way this boat made any sense on tier VI. Now, she has nothing to distinguish her from the Fubuki, as the minimal concealment advantage does nothing in this day of the modern CV that does not run out of planes and can just wipe you off the face of the ocean, if they are tier VIII. I do not get what the purpose of the IJN DD line is, and now you cannot even play them against the grain by surprising enemies as a made-up gun boat.

Big thumbs down.