Pretty much everyone about the Somers right now

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[KillStealBoss]

I'm not so hyped. It's not so amazing. 

[Aotearas]

You're assuming I had any sort of interest in the Neutrashimy in the first place.

[fumtu]

I'm torn between Black and Somers. I have enough steel to buy Black, but that probably won't have enough for Somers. Will wait and see how much it would cost and then make my plans. Don't have any particular interest in Neustra, if it was FXP or Coal ship sure I would buy it buy as steel ship I would rather spend my resource on something more interesting to me.

[T0byJug]

Accept when there is a CV around then you wish for that AA.. I like Neustrashimy. I also Like the Somers. I have the Neustrashimy. and should have enough steel to get Somers when she is out...

[Aotearas]

16 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Accept when there is a CV around then you wish for that AA.

Eh, AA on DDs isn't worth turning on most of the time unless you're specced for it AND have accss to DFAA. And even then it's not the AA that makes ships like the Neutrashimy resilient against DDs, it's the ability to heal back damage from when the CV inevitably got their attacks through, same with the Kidd and Grozovoi.

[Mr_Snoww]

26 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Accept when there is a CV around then you wish for that AA.. I like Neustrashimy. I also Like the Somers. I have the Neustrashimy. and should have enough steel to get Somers when she is out...

CVs are so rare these days with the AA buff that it doesnt really matter.

[KillStealBoss]

39 minutes ago, fumtu said:

I'm torn between Black and Somers. I have enough steel to buy Black, but that probably won't have enough for Somers. Will wait and see how much it would cost and then make my plans. Don't have any particular interest in Neustra, if it was FXP or Coal ship sure I would buy it buy as steel ship I would rather spend my resource on something more interesting to me.

Somers will be 10k more steel than Black. I'm having the Black now and it's good (though my stats don't show cause I took the Sims commander with faster torps and torp reload. It was a mistake, better to have it as gunboat to fight other DDs radaring them) .

[T0byJug]

16 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Eh, AA on DDs isn't worth turning on most of the time unless you're specced for it AND have accss to DFAA. And even then it's not the AA that makes ships like the Neutrashimy resilient against DDs, it's the ability to heal back damage from when the CV inevitably got their attacks through, same with the Kidd and Grozovoi.

Tell that to the Lexington that fed my test ship Freisland 50 planes on Sunday. The AA in a Neutrashimy is strong enough to make a CV go find another easier  target..  Somers AA is so weak a CV will come looking for you.

As you say the heal is also very strong allowing you to run and heal.

 

Ok to qualify if i could only get one correct the Somers would be my first choice. 

 

the fact that Neutrashimy has the 5th highest average planes kills of all tier 8-10 BB/CA/DD in the game must count for something. (ok this is effected by her being quite new and around mostly during the CV rework)

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Tell that to the Lexington that fed my test ship Freisland 50 planes on Sunday.

 

Friesland has 3x DFAA unlike everyone else, meaning your DPS gets tripled. That gives you Mino AA DPS on your midrange I believe.

Neustra DPS with DFAA active is about the same as Cleve AA. Not exactly weak, but nothing special either.

 

And like all DDs both suffer heavily from AA mount losses which are inevitable under air attack.

[Aotearas]

7 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Tell that to the Lexington that fed my test ship Freisland 50 planes on Sunday.

We both know the Friesland isn't remotely representative for DD AA performance. Half of that ship's raison d'etre is having lulz AA.

 

11 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

The AA in a Neutrashimy is strong enough to make a CV go find another easier  target.

Good enough to make the CV find an easier target, yes. Good enough to actually defend itself from attacks if the CV decides to attack, no.

 

13 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Somers AA is so weak a CV will come looking for you.

How is that different to basically every other DD without lots of AA and DFAA in the game? A Shimakaze completely outshines the Somers in AA capabilities but you don't see any CVs running scared from those.

[T0byJug]

15 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

We both know the Friesland isn't remotely representative for DD AA performance. Half of that ship's raison d'etre is having lulz AA.

 

Good enough to make the CV find an easier target, yes. Good enough to actually defend itself from attacks if the CV decides to attack, no.

 

How is that different to basically every other DD without lots of AA and DFAA in the game? A Shimakaze completely outshines the Somers in AA capabilities but you don't see any CVs running scared from those.

MMMMM question when did they sneak this in on the Shima?????? i completly missed this!

 

Shima's main guns never used to be DP (in game)

 

 

[El2aZeR]

13 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

MMMMM question when did they sneak this in on the Shima??????

 

Uh.... Well, since always?

Quite frankly I can't remember a time when Shima did not have DP guns.

[T0byJug]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Uh.... Well, since always?

Quite frankly I can't remember a time when Shima did not have DP guns.

Well i never.. I was sure they never used to be.

[Aotearas]

2 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Well i never.. I was sure they never used to be.

Are the memories of the ST testing and live server merging into a nebulous mist of conflicting stimuli? Are you getting, dare I say it ... old? 

[T0byJug]

2 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Are the memories of the ST testing and live server merging into a nebulous mist of conflicting stimuli? Are you getting, dare I say it ... old? 

LOL............ Bi%ch

[Episparh]

https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3551409616,Neustrashimy/

 

5k total battles and 39 players with 40+ battles... Neustrashimi is a joke, so will be Somers at similar steel price until the inflation normalise it. 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

3 hours ago, fumtu said:

I'm torn between Black and Somers. I have enough steel to buy Black, but that probably won't have enough for Somers. Will wait and see how much it would cost and then make my plans. Don't have any particular interest in Neustra, if it was FXP or Coal ship sure I would buy it buy as steel ship I would rather spend my resource on something more interesting to me.

IMO Black is not worth it. It used to be very strong but times have changed. The radar + smoke combination sound good but the duration of the radar is very short and usually not enough to kill an enemy DD even if caught by surprise. Most of the time you end up in tier 10 games and you meet most of the time enemy DDs like Harugumo, Daring, Grozovoi. They either have enough health to outlast your radar or simply can heal back a huge chunk of the damage inflicted. And once your radar is gone you are in some serious trouble, because they all wipe the floor with Black. What remains is a Fletcher with much worse torps. The torps are the slowest in the game with 43 knots and you won't have much success with them. Even an ambush at 4-5km on a BB is often set to fail because the torps are so slow that the BB has time to dodge.

Black is fun to play, just like Fletcher, and nice to have but more for the rarity value. Somers will be so much better than Black.

 

m2c

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, ThePurpleSmurf said:

IMO Black is not worth it. It used to be very strong but times have changed. The radar + smoke combination sound good but the duration of the radar is very short and usually not enough to kill an enemy DD even if caught by surprise. Most of the time you end up in tier 10 games and you meet most of the time enemy DDs like Harugumo, Daring, Grozovoi. They either have enough health to outlast your radar or simply can heal back a huge chunk of the damage inflicted. And once your radar is gone you are in some serious trouble, because they all wipe the floor with Black. What remains is a Fletcher with much worse torps. The torps are the slowest in the game with 43 knots and you won't have much success with them. Even an ambush at 4-5km on a BB is often set to fail because the torps are so slow that the BB has time to dodge.

Black is fun to play, just like Fletcher, and nice to have but more for the rarity value. Somers will be so much better than Black.

 

m2c

That's why you play it in division with other DD and Moskva/DM/Mino with radar.

[Bear__Necessities]

Guess who's gonna have both.

[Mr_Tayto]

45 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Guess who's gonna have both.

You'd need to amass the steel for both.

[Bear__Necessities]

17 minutes ago, Mr_Tayto said:

You'd need to amass the steel for both.

Already have Neustra remember and already sit on 10k steel so won’t be long until it’s mine, ALL MINE!!!

[Yanayuki]

As a DD main who exclusively plays coop and operations I can only weep about how much steel the Somers is going to cost. ;-;

If the xmas event with the snowflakes comes back, I will need only 2 more years to get ONE steel ship. I'd love to have Black and Neustrashimiy as well, but... uguuu~

[ThePurpleSmurf]

2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

That's why you play it in division with other DD and Moskva/DM/Mino with radar.

Which proves my point even further. If you have to relay on a division with stacking radar then the Black alone can not be that strong. Division with a DM or a Radar Mino pretty much means that the enemy DD is dead no matter what DD you bring, because you are only needed to provide smoke for them and this does not require a Black. Don't get me wrong, Black is a good ship and fun to play, but it is not the monster DD it once was and the only thing it has going for it is the radar compard to i.e. Fletcher but this short time radar lost a lot of value to the powercreep (enemy DDs with almost 30k hp, heals, long duration hydro and so on).

 

Just now, Yanayuki said:

If the xmas event with the snowflakes comes back …

WG already said it won't come back in that form.

[Episparh]

@Bear_Necessities is special case.

 

Just do not forget that Somers is tier 10 and probably steel price will be close to Balanzgrad. And for what... 

1 turret more than gearing with +2 sec reload and 2 more torpedoes. How about, No!