sgtmarple Players 202 posts 1,024 battles Report post #1 Posted July 15, 2019 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted July 15, 2019 You fail division and shoot yourself in the foot... You complain about +1 MM in a very strong ship... 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgtmarple Players 202 posts 1,024 battles Report post #3 Posted July 15, 2019 I don't complain , but 5 DDs + CV, well intrestesting being in a BB with slow turning guns ^^ and Tier 8s against Tier 5, Division or not is...well a big middle finger ^^ 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #4 Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: You fail division and shoot yourself in the foot... You complain about +1 MM in a very strong ship... @sgtmarple what Pete said. First picture shows your lack of knowledge. Second picture i dont see what's wrong. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgtmarple Players 202 posts 1,024 battles Report post #5 Posted July 15, 2019 You know it is all fun and games or haven't your left your basement for quite awhile? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #6 Posted July 15, 2019 Weel, this is why they call it a "Fail Division", when you team up with different tiers of ships. You will get a shitty MM 100% of the time and this one you got is actually not too bad. You only have +1 after all (many DD's but hey, you were asking for it) if you div up like that with tier 5&6 ships you WILL end up with a crap MM AND in a tier 8 match (trust me on this one, I have tried tier 9 with a Graf Spee and it was not nearly as much fun as advertised). 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #7 Posted July 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, sgtmarple said: I don't complain , but 5 DDs + CV, well intrestesting being in a BB with slow turning guns ^^ and .... 3 of which are quite harmless to you with your extremly strong HE and one of the strongest AA on that Tier... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #8 Posted July 15, 2019 First pic I feel your pain. Yes your in for a crap time (the Sinop can outright delete you, easy) but like @pra3y has rightly stated, that's down to a lack of knowledge and a failed Div. That's MM for you and you drew the short straw. I cant see anything wrong with the second pic. So you have 5 DD's and a CV? You have very strong HE remember. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] ClappingLollies Players 1,953 posts Report post #9 Posted July 15, 2019 Fail div. Dont feel sorry for you 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgtmarple Players 202 posts 1,024 battles Report post #10 Posted July 15, 2019 True , but very slow moving guns and you are very dependent on green DDs to do their job, which they didn't, they yoloed and 4 of them died within 5 Minutes, so we had 5 enemy DDs against 1 green DD...yeah let me just say it just proved to me once again that DD have too much influence . We ended up loosing the game with me killing 3 ships, 1 DD 2 Cruisers. Then getting torped from 2 different sides ^^ weee. And yes, thought I never asked, I know that different Tier gets you bad MM (fun mechanics to encourage friends to play together weee) but this time was especially rough ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgtmarple Players 202 posts 1,024 battles Report post #11 Posted July 15, 2019 Vor 7 Minuten, MortenTardo sagte: Fail div. Dont feel sorry for you I thought about it for a second and then I shruged and didn't care ^^ it was just a fun MM sorry it triggered you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #12 Posted July 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, sgtmarple said: it was just a fun MM sorry it triggered you. When MM shows you the Middle Finger 24 minutes ago, sgtmarple said: You know it is all fun and games or haven't your left your basement for quite awhile? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,535 battles Report post #13 Posted July 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, sgtmarple said: And yes, thought I never asked, I know that different Tier gets you bad MM (fun mechanics to encourage friends to play together weee) but this time was especially rough ^^ Otherwise people would use this all the time to not get uptiered. So it is there for a reason. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,378 battles Report post #14 Posted July 15, 2019 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,533 battles Report post #15 Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, sgtmarple said: Appart from your failed MM the start screens show us absolutely nothing. the end screens are the important ones. Only players that should be upset on that 2nd picture is the poor CA/CL on each team alone with 5 BBs on the enemy team. If you had been the CA/CL player most of us would have been sympathetic to you. OW and someone with almost no DD experience calling out his DDs, some things never change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #16 Posted July 15, 2019 That happens when MM gets changed: You used to get f***ed by fail-divisioning since the enemies didnt need to get a same tier ship in return. Nowadays its a calculated risk, as MM can [edited]you up ONLY if there is a similiar division to match against you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #17 Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, sgtmarple said: I thought about it for a second and then I shruged and didn't care ^^ it was just a fun MM sorry it triggered you. Going into a division with ships of different tiers is called a "fail division" for a reason. As ships from lower tiers are typically weaker than those of higher tiers, such a division typically puts the team at a bit of a disadvantage. That's the reason why fail divisions are generally frowned upon. However, since the game allows them, I suppose that fail divisions can't really be said to be against the rules. I would nevertheless advice against them, not only because they put the lower-tiered player at a disadvantage, but also because - as you may by now have noticed - they can generate a bit of huff. Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #18 Posted July 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: That happens when MM gets changed: You used to get f***ed by fail-divisioning since the enemies didnt need to get a same tier ship in return. Nowadays its a calculated risk, as MM can [edited]you up ONLY if there is a similiar division to match against you. This is news to me. Was there any particular reason for this change? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #19 Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, Procrastes said: This is new to me. Any particular reason for this change? Guess it was mostly to remove different class/tiers which sometimes used to happen f.e. one team has 1DD/BB more, the others had 2 CAs in return. Sometimes the DD was +1 tier compared to a Cruiser, and a Cruiser was +1 tier compared to the BB. I always hated that. When they changed that, they also removed that other "feature" where fail-divisioning actually punished you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #20 Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: Guess it was mostly to remove different class/tiers which sometimes used to happen f.e. one team has 1DD/BB more, the others had 2 CAs in return. Sometimes the DD was +1 tier compared to a Cruiser, and a Cruiser was +1 tier compared to the BB. I always hated that. When they changed that, they also removed that other "feature" where fail-divisioning actually punished you. Thanks! I suppose WG could easily prevent fail divisions if they considered them to be a problem. But I hope you can't division with a ship that is more than one tier lower than your own, at least? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[C1DFL] togMOR [C1DFL] Beta Tester 3,604 posts 18,947 battles Report post #21 Posted July 15, 2019 Vor 1 Minute, Procrastes sagte: But I hope you can't division with a ship that is more than one tier lower than your own, at least? Divisions are restricted to a +/-1 tier difference. That was implemented 2 or 3 years ago (?) along with some other MM changes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #22 Posted July 15, 2019 MM: *Sees fail platoons* *Puts every tier 8 ship it can find in said match* 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #23 Posted July 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, togMOR said: Divisions are restricted to a +/-1 tier difference. That was implemented 2 or 3 years ago (?) along with some other MM changes. Nope they're not. If you take a T8 and T7 ship they might get into T10 battle. Though on the other side there's such fail div too. Pls don't try it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[C1DFL] togMOR [C1DFL] Beta Tester 3,604 posts 18,947 battles Report post #24 Posted July 15, 2019 Vor 1 Minute, MacArthur92 sagte: Nope they're not. If you take a T8 and T7 ship they might get into T10 battle. Though on the other side there's such fail div too. Pls don't try it The system allows you to create a division with a maximum tier difference of (+/-) 1, which would be a fail division if done so. Which in turn is matched then by the highest tier, of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #25 Posted July 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, togMOR said: The system allows you to create a division with a maximum tier difference of (+/-) 1, which would be a fail division if done so. Which in turn is matched then by the highest tier, of course. Only if it's T8-9 div. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
