Summer sale has begun - but this time it has offer I have never seen before!

[loppantorkel]

17 minutes ago, FukushuNL said:

That's a nice arguement, if the ships weren't copy/pastable by WG and it wasn't the company that made the ships that was the more expensive one. After WG got the cost of making a ship out of the income they get, that ship only makes profit for them. They don't need distribution channels, don't need warehouses to store them in, they can just copy/paste them to you account. Sure, there are other things they need to pay, but I can't imagine they can't compete with prices the few ships on steam were at with the steam summer sales. 

Maybe they want to increase popularity and sales on the Steam platform in particular. We don't have their numbers or know the reasoning behind it.

[Hanse77SWE]

14 minutes ago, FukushuNL said:

After WG got the cost of making a ship out of the income they get, that ship only makes profit for them.

They are a company. They are suposed to make a profit. It's the whole idea of being a company. If you ran a company you would like it to run with  a profit too.

 

3 hours ago, Mr_Tayto said:

Oh well that's fine then. Let's make all my years of progress and thousands (yes really) of pounds invalid then.

 

Stupid, reductive and naïve argument.

Stupid or not it's still your choise. Just like geting married or jumping of a cliff. You have it whether you like it or not.

I choose to stay with the WG-verison just for the reason you mention. and I'm not complaining that the grass is greener on the other side because I choose this side. You make you choises and you live with them. You can't both eat the cake and have it too.

[FukushuNL]

7 minutes ago, Hanse77SWE said:

They are a company. They are suposed to make a profit. It's the whole idea of being a company. If you ran a company you would like it to run with  a profit too.

 

Stupid or not it's still your choise. Just like geting married or jumping of a cliff. You have it whether you like it or not.

I choose to stay with the WG-verison just for the reason you mention. and I'm not complaining that the grass is greener on the other side because I choose this side. You make you choises and you live with them. You can't both eat the cake and have it too.

Ofc I would, but I'd also would like to keep my community/customers happy. Just f***ing the people that pay you in the behind is not good business, I can tell you that. And yes, sometimes asking less will get you more. Maybe WG would break even for those ships in that sale period and with those ships being priced that low, maybe they'd earn a little less in that periode for those ships, but at least they earned the goodwill of their customers which could led to more money later on. Maybe they would sell more surprise crates in this sale because people wouldn't put their heels in the sand because not only do they feel f-ed by WG because they didn't get treated the same as the steam crowd, but on top of that this sale is worse with the random boxes filled with for instance CVs nobody wants and the relatively low discount %. 

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

14 hours ago, FukushuNL said:

Nothing will probably come. Can't blame them. WG will directly kick them onto the streets if they come in here and say "We agree. These summer sales are way more crappy than the offers that were on Steam. We too don't know why the company is treating their direct customers worse than Steam players". I wonder how the issue of community treatment and the dividing of the community is handled at the office. 

same reason why the NA server gets sweeter deals and ships before we do-We are their hardcore bread and butter and they don't have to care as much. Getting newer players is the target.  That's the ftp game developer model. You can look it up on youtube. The Quartering showed a leaked briefing from Finland that shows how devs operate.  

 

Reaching out to a new audience is the most important thing to them. They KNOW you and I are going to spend money if not now, but eventually.   They want to hook new addicts.  That's why drug dealers don't push their stuff to crackheads.  

[FukushuNL]

4 hours ago, CraftyVeteran said:

same reason why the NA server gets sweeter deals and ships before we do-We are their hardcore bread and butter and they don't have to care as much. Getting newer players is the target.  That's the ftp game developer model. You can look it up on youtube. The Quartering showed a leaked briefing from Finland that shows how devs operate.  

 

Reaching out to a new audience is the most important thing to them. They KNOW you and I are going to spend money if not now, but eventually.   They want to hook new addicts.  That's why drug dealers don't push their stuff to crackheads.  

O, I know the customers are the idiots who keep coming back for more. Heck, people are so hooked on buy 40+ euro ships that no matter what WG chucks out, people have their wallet spread open like an easy broad, ready to give up the goods the moment WG drops the content. I guess lots of people have so much money to spend that 50 euro has less value for them as it has for me. Some people have bought every gold ship WG has put out there :O

 

 

Then they have Premium every month, buy 100s of euros worth on lootboxes. But I guess this is the only game they play and they have money to spend. Still, up to 100 euro per ship pack....I got the Massa for full price, Atlanta, Mikasa for discount and Roma for 10 euro on dubloons because I got some extra dubloons by playing but that's it. My extra support comes from premium time I get regularly because I don't mind paying 10 euro per month to keep my part of the servers running. I always wonder if I'm being cheep, thinking 40 euro is way too much for a single ship when it also can buy me a full tripple A game. But I guess if you smear that money out over the free silver tech lines you get for free, the costs lessen considerably.

 

But then I look at something like Monster Hunter, where you pay for the game once and after that you get a ridiculous amount of content for free, which makes me believe I shouldn't pay triple A game money for every single ship WG puts out even if one is an ftp and the other is a regular ptp. On the other hand, could be that most people don't put any euro in this game, so those that do pay balance out those that don't. 

 

Bah, inner ramblings. Has nothing to do with how WG is treating a purposely divided community and strange lootbox schemes.

[josykay]

Does De Grasse still have merits; after La Galissonniere got MBRB?

[Mr_Tayto]

8 minutes ago, josykay said:

Does De Grasse still have merits; after La Galissonniere got MBRB?

Been a long time since I play Gally but I still play De Grasse, I think it's a good boat. Especially with HIV IFHE captain on it.

[fumtu]

37 minutes ago, josykay said:

Does De Grasse still have merits; after La Galissonniere got MBRB?

 

Even after MBRB is added to La Gesoline, De Grasse is still better ship.

[Skyllon]

WG and fungal deals, along rotten marketing practices...

 

What an amazing surprise! Who could've expected that to be the case!

 

In all fairness guys, WG needs a lot of money for the ongoing efforts of ballancing CVs. Be good clients. Open wallets!

[Shaka_D]

16 hours ago, Hanse77SWE said:

They are a company. They are suposed to make a profit. It's the whole idea of being a company. If you ran a company you would like it to run with  a profit too.

 

Stupid or not it's still your choise. Just like geting married or jumping of a cliff. You have it whether you like it or not.

I choose to stay with the WG-verison just for the reason you mention. and I'm not complaining that the grass is greener on the other side because I choose this side. You make you choises and you live with them. You can't both eat the cake and have it too.

The need to make profit does not automatically mean it's ok to exploit? It is peoples choice as you say and while we blame WG (who are very greedy imho), we still have a lot of people who throw money at them thus exacerbating the problem and so WG continue...they know people have no self control and in the name of instant gratification will part with a lot of money to satisfy a need..it's human weakness and in many cases goes with inexperience in life, immaturity, and other issues like the need to collect and hoard stuff that isn't real...we assign value to our lives by material things, instead in this case it's not even material.

 

Ultimately, if players want cheaper ships they need to stop throwing so much money at WG for no reason at all. This will force WG to adopt a different business model to remain competitive. They don't care for our complaints...we think they do but they don't care at all, they expect there to be a level of dissatisfaction. The only way to truly force change is to do so en mass, and good luck doing this on a server like this one. Nope, WG have all the aces and those of us wanting change are in the minority, largely due to the fact that most people supporting the game (probably) do not think holistically or have long term mindsets. They're driven by very shallow needs. Cruel, but true perhaps?

 

The power really is in the hands of the people, but the people are too fragmented to do anything and WG bank on this both literally and figuratively.

[Episparh]

Directly from NA, I present you the deal of the year... - 50% of Crapy Krym

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, josykay said:

Does De Grasse still have merits; after La Galissonniere got MBRB?

I considered it for the 5 seconds that it took to remember upcoming IFHE nerfs.

[Hanse77SWE]

32 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

*Snip*

I think "exploit" is too hard a word. A business transaction is an understanding between two partys. The seller sets the price and the buyer agrees, haggles or walks away. Many make the misstake of seeing the seller as a bad guy if the price is not "right". I have a past in furniture retail and I've seen people screaming at us for not geting the price they want.

 

I totally agree with you on the part that we, the players, have a huge power over WG in that we control the money and that we could push WG in the direction we want them to go. Alas that mean at all of us must work together and I know that will never happen so...

A favorite quote from a book i love is "I didn't create the world, I'm only trying to live in it." Kinda fits here.

 

I've also heard that "The greatest obstacle for socialism is the stupidity of the working class." I feel this fits here too. Screaming at WG doesn't work, it's the playerbase we should be screaming at instead. "Actions not words!" I'm still waiting for the action.

[Bics93]

31 minuti fa, Cagliostro_chan ha scritto:

I considered it for the 5 seconds that it took to remember upcoming IFHE nerfs.

Sinop and Nelson are really powerful battleships, but at least you can HE spam them because they have soft 25mm or 32mm deck... Now just imagine that every cruiser will shatter their HE or have half the fire chance against these ships 

[loppantorkel]

1 hour ago, Shaka_D said:

The need to make profit does not automatically mean it's ok to exploit? It is peoples choice as you say and while we blame WG (who are very greedy imho), we still have a lot of people who throw money at them thus exacerbating the problem and so WG continue...they know people have no self control and in the name of instant gratification will part with a lot of money to satisfy a need..it's human weakness and in many cases goes with inexperience in life, immaturity, and other issues like the need to collect and hoard stuff that isn't real...we assign value to our lives by material things, instead in this case it's not even material.

 

Ultimately, if players want cheaper ships they need to stop throwing so much money at WG for no reason at all. This will force WG to adopt a different business model to remain competitive. They don't care for our complaints...we think they do but they don't care at all, they expect there to be a level of dissatisfaction. The only way to truly force change is to do so en mass, and good luck doing this on a server like this one. Nope, WG have all the aces and those of us wanting change are in the minority, largely due to the fact that most people supporting the game (probably) do not think holistically or have long term mindsets. They're driven by very shallow needs. Cruel, but true perhaps?

 

The power really is in the hands of the people, but the people are too fragmented to do anything and WG bank on this both literally and figuratively.

I think you're giving too much credit to what power WG holds and to some extent, the greediness of WG. If WoWs was tremendously successful, they'd probably have more leeway with the pricing. Chances are they'd stay the same, but I doubt WoWs is the cash cow people make it out to be. It's a balance act making the product attractive enough for the price, making a profit while increasing the number of players.

 

Some people will throw money at them, some will never give them a dime and some will buy things by them sporadically. If the playerbase and earnings drop too much, I think they pull the plug on WoWs - how will that benefit your long term goals?

 

 

Edit: soo.. anyone seen the 90% discount that WG is supposed to be offering?

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

1 hour ago, Skyllon said:

 

In all fairness guys, WG needs a lot of money for the ongoing efforts of ballancing CVs. Be good clients. Open wallets!

The Wargaming balancing method

[tinvek]

so buy the Kidd and get a container that may contain the Kidd, why bother even listing the Kidd as possible content when it will automatically be replaced with another ship  ?

 

[loppantorkel]

6 minutes ago, tinvek said:

so buy the Kidd and get a container that may contain the Kidd, why bother even listing the Kidd as possible content when it will automatically be replaced with another ship  ?

I suppose you could ask that question, but do you really want to see the answer for it? Some things are better left ignored.

[Zieten]

37 minutes ago, tinvek said:

so buy the Kidd and get a container that may contain the Kidd, why bother even listing the Kidd as possible content when it will automatically be replaced with another ship  ?

 

this sale got "we dont give a [edited]" written all over it anyways. might as well stopped on a high note (with that epic 50% Krispy Kreme sale).

[josykay]

3 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

I considered it for the 5 seconds that it took to remember upcoming IFHE nerfs.

Oh yeah ... i totally forgot. Looks like heavy cruisers are the way to go... and since CL De Grasse has no historic relevance, similiar to Bayard... pass. The AA variant though...

[Bellegar]

3 hours ago, tinvek said:

so buy the Kidd and get a container that may contain the Kidd, why bother even listing the Kidd as possible content when it will automatically be replaced with another ship  ?

 

Because the list for container ships is just copy pasted to every 'sale' of that tier.

[WeGreedy]

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We can get some great merch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fumtu]

WG did it again! After that amazing offer for Krapy Kream now you can get Marblehead with a chance to get Lima and Soviet versions from crates. Three Omahas for price of only two of them! So you can get one for free! If you are lucky!

[invicta2012]

Krasny Krym for £5 was a good offer, y'know. It's a fun ship. And today... well, the Marblehead offer is just silly. What's going to be in that Box? Krasny Krym (£5 yesterday) Exeter, (got it for free) Marblehead (£5), Marblehead Lima (£1 a few months ago), Texas (£7.50 today), Murmansk (got it for free), Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya (Coal) or Okhotnik (£5 two days ago). Now, if there was a Fujin in the list of possibles, we might have a deal.

 

Good offer on Hood, though. 

 

[josykay]

If only WG had made Viribus Unitis and Yahagi available in Tier 5 boxes. They would sell a lot.

 

Hood is a good deal. Will probably buy it.