Battleship Comparison

[Aerroon]

Montana > Yamato

Iowa > Izumo

North Carolina == Amagi

Colorado < Nagato

New Mexico << Fusou

New York <<< Kongou

 

Rest I don't care about.

[Exustio]

Montana > Yamato

Iowa > Izumo

North Carolina == Amagi

Colorado < Nagato

New Mexico << Fusou

New York <<< Kongou

 

Rest I don't care about.

 

and here i was thinking the Nagato was crap when it was in CBT........but i agree with u, these are indeed the better ones. 

[Aerroon]

 

and here i was thinking the Nagato was crap when it was in CBT........but i agree with u, these are indeed the better ones. 

 

Yeah, but Colorado is way worse.

[Sharana]

Completely support this. I was sure Nagato was pathetic ... until I tried Colorado

 

[Takeda92]

Myougi turret turning times are wrong, you are using a the stock ones. Japanese BBs change guns when they changes hulls and their guns stats will change also.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Montana > Yamato

Iowa > Izumo

North Carolina == Amagi

Colorado < Nagato

New Mexico << Fusou

New York <<< Kongou

 

Rest I don't care about.

 

The first two I think is pretty much 'universal'. But can the NC and Amagi really be compared? Their function and style are so different. One being a heavy battlecruiser, the other a reasonably fast battleship. Wouldn't they require different playstyles, and so it more comes down to preferences than anything else.

 

Also I would decrease the advantage for both the Fuso and Kongo. While I utterly love the Kongo and do beat New Yorks, I also remember doing the exact opposite in the New York. And for once in the low tiers the range difference isn't really important, as the New York can hit back when the range becomes effective, her main weakness being that third turret (though one could argue that anytime she can fire it, is just a bonus). And the New Mexico might not have the range, but she is far from as brittle as the Fuso. The advantage lies with the Fuso for sure, but not by a landslide. I remember being pleasantly surprised with her.

 

Instead I would grant Nagato two steps over Colorado. It is just so painful with the Trollerado, while the Nagato can sort of overcome her issues by different playstyle. The Colorado can't in my experience. She is a pain at range, at medium range and at the brawl.

[Exustio]

 

The first two I think is pretty much 'universal'. But can the NC and Amagi really be compared? Their function and style are so different. One being a heavy battlecruiser, the other a reasonably fast battleship. Wouldn't they require different playstyles, and so it more comes down to preferences than anything else.

 

Also I would decrease the advantage for both the Fuso and Kongo. While I utterly love the Kongo and do beat New Yorks, I also remember doing the exact opposite in the New York. And for once in the low tiers the range difference isn't really important, as the New York can hit back when the range becomes effective, her main weakness being that third turret (though one could argue that anytime she can fire it, is just a bonus). And the New Mexico might not have the range, but she is far from as brittle as the Fuso. The advantage lies with the Fuso for sure, but not by a landslide. I remember being pleasantly surprised with her.

 

Instead I would grant Nagato two steps over Colorado. It is just so painful with the Trollerado, while the Nagato can sort of overcome her issues by different playstyle. The Colorado can't in my experience. She is a pain at range, at medium range and at the brawl.

 

In the end, it indeed comes down to how u play the ship. Any ship in the hands of someone who knows what he/she is doing is dangerous. However, we are purely looking from a statistical point of view here which will result in the overall best/worse scenario u now see before u. There will always be ships that are better then others, and these differences are almost always minor compared to the overall picture. If it was better by a landslide, i think WG will have to act on it as then it actually becomes a balancing issue. 

 

Nevertheless, always nice to see someone's opinion on ship preference as this usually also reflects how he/she plays that particular ship ingame (seeing both nations have different philosophy's to battleship warfare). I do however would like to warn u though, that these philosophy's can change at certain tiers. Simply looking at the BB's u will notice that the focus of ships for long ranged attacks moves from IJN towards the USN at around tier 8.

[GrumpyWorm]

Avoid red font in your posts.

[Takeda92]

So I think I found a bug. When mounting the 3rd hull on Myougi, in artillery stats if you point at the guns it says you have 37 seconds 180 degrees turn time, while the gun module in the modules tab still says 60 seconds!

[Exustio]

Avoid red font in your posts.

 

Uhm, thought i removed all red font.......ages ago?

 

Myougi turret turning times are wrong, you are using a the stock ones. Japanese BBs change guns when they changes hulls and their guns stats will change also.

 

Fixed

 

So I think I found a bug. When mounting the 3rd hull on Myougi, in artillery stats if you point at the guns it says you have 37 seconds 180 degrees turn time, while the gun module in the modules tab still says 60 seconds!

 

Yea, seems quite off, also puts the reload to 2r/m. Seen this happen with multiple ships, it even extends ranges on some to double. Just look at Myogi. 

• Standard Hull = 13.9km
• Upgraded hull = 16.9km
• Upgraded Gun fire control system = 15.3

 

I think the Gunfire control systems increase range dependent on which hull u have equiped. 

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Uhm, thought i removed all red font.......ages ago?

 

 

Not you. It was in the great than list proposed earlier on this page.

[still_guns]

Nice comparison. One slight error in all of that. The Japanese 80mm guns are actually not 80mm. The actual calibre was 76.2mm, hence why it says 76.2 in game.

[GrumpyWorm]

 

Uhm, thought i removed all red font.......ages ago?

 

Yes you did, remarks were meant for this post: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/12061-battleship-comparison/page__st__20__pid__347051#entry347051

[Ra97oR]

Tier 6	Fuso	New Mexico	Warspite
HP	57.100	53.200	53.800
Main armament/#turrets/rotatespeed	356mm/6/56.3sec	356mm/4/60sec	381mm/4/72sec
#guns/reload/range	12/28.6sec/21.8km	12/33.3sec/14.9km	8/30sec/16.3km
DPM HE/ DPM AP	143.640/257.040	108.000/226.800	84.800/182.400
Max Dispersion/% Fire	241m/27%	196m/30%	219m/34%
Secondary Armament/#turrets/#guns/range	127mm/2/4/4km 152mm/7/7/4km	127mm/9/9/4km	102mm/2/4/5km 152mm/4/4/5km
Anti-Air/#AA/DPM/range ------------------------------ AA DPS / Minimum range	13.2mm/1x1/2/2.1km 13.2mm/4x2/12/2.1km 13.2mm/6x4/36/2.1km 25mm/2x2/12/3km 25mm/7x1/21/3km 127mm/4x2/24/5km ------------------------------ 107/2.1km	20mm/8x2/64/2.1km 40mm/4x1/16/2.1km 40mm/4x2/52/3.5km 127mm/8x1/24/5km ------------------------------ 156/2.1km	20mm/11x1/55/2.1km 40mm/4x8/112/2.5km 102mm/4x2/18/5km ------------------------------ 185/2.1km
Speed/Turning radius/Rudder Shift	24.9knots/740m/17.9sec	21.4knots/640m/16.6sec	23.9knots/550m/18.5sec
Concealment enemy Ship/Aircraft	18.9km/12.2km	14.2km/11.3km	14.2km/11.4km

[Ra97oR]

Warspite's stats is pretty much unchanged. ^ updated with my Warspite in port.

[philspamoni]

well done my friend. well done. in the last 3 days since i found this post ive looked at it 20+ times..  the next step imo would be to add more comments, for the new guys like me.. 

thank you for making these charts. someone had to do it, thank you for your time and effort.

[KMS_Tirpitz]

I am curious, how does dispersion work ingame? Is it like in real life where max dispersion is at max range, i.e. minute of angle? Or is the max dispersion the same at all range ingame? I am asking since I'm noticing some crazy dispersion at close range for some reason (esp. in elevation), ranges where you'd expect a 100% hit rate if indeed the ingame dispersion is based on minute of angle. 

 

In short if your max dispersion at 25,000 yards is 277 yards (4 MOA), then that dispersion should drop to 5.5 yards at 5,000 yards. 

[Exustio]

Warspite's stats is pretty much unchanged. ^ updated with my Warspite in port.

 

Thank you very much +1

 

well done my friend. well done. in the last 3 days since i found this post ive looked at it 20+ times..  the next step imo would be to add more comments, for the new guys like me.. 

thank you for making these charts. someone had to do it, thank you for your time and effort.

 

I could add a few comments, however for in depth comments on specific type's of ships i suggest looking for a specific ship thread. I would love to add all the things i have learned and put it on this comparison, however that would result in a very very long post. Which i doubt people would like to read threw, as they are more interrested in tier for tier comparisons. 

 

Nevertheless, i would add a few little comments here or there

 

I am curious, how does dispersion work ingame? Is it like in real life where max dispersion is at max range, i.e. minute of angle? Or is the max dispersion the same at all range ingame? I am asking since I'm noticing some crazy dispersion at close range for some reason (esp. in elevation), ranges where you'd expect a 100% hit rate if indeed the ingame dispersion is based on minute of angle. 

 

In short if your max dispersion at 25,000 yards is 277 yards (4 MOA), then that dispersion should drop to 5.5 yards at 5,000 yards. 

 

I would think its based on angle, instead of area. This is just as u said, because dispersion is not equal on all distances. The further away u fire, the higher the dispersion, meaning the angle of the shell differs from eachother. However, at close range, the dispersion is less obvious, which supports your claim that dispersion is angle based. 

 

Unfortunatly, these are all guesses here, and there is actually a thread running about the question of how dispersion actually works: 

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20393-how-does-rng-range-and-dispersion-exactly-work/page__hl__%2Bshell+%2Bdispersion__fromsearch__1

 

I hope we will hear a solid answer from WG about dispersion in that thread soon, otherwise, we can only guess

[Rambe]

Btw, at least Myogi have bit faulty stats listed in your tables, with updated hull (and firecontrol) that BC get 18.6km range with 218m dispersion (and Wyoming get 23% firechance from updated hull). Kawachi also get buff to turret rotation speed (40s), rof (30s) and AP damage (+200). It looks like you have overlooked hullupdates effect to mainbattery (or are those chances so recent that you haven't yet to fix tables)? Mostly just noticed those because the range of Myogi sound really low in your tables (and maybe add note that IJN get scoutplanes from tier IV onward while US need to wait to tier VII for that temporary +20% rangebuff plane?).

 

And for dispersion, maybe it's kinda nonlinear or something, because when you put firecontrol in you get +10% range but dispersion only increses ~7% (or in Myogi, ~34% range increse give only ~19% dispersio increse, 13.9km->18.6km and 184m->218m).

[Exustio]

Btw, at least Myogi have bit faulty stats listed in your tables, with updated hull (and firecontrol) that BC get 18.6km range with 218m dispersion (and Wyoming get 23% firechance from updated hull). Kawachi also get buff to turret rotation speed (40s), rof (30s) and AP damage (+200). It looks like you have overlooked hullupdates effect to mainbattery (or are those chances so recent that you haven't yet to fix tables)? Mostly just noticed those because the range of Myogi sound really low in your tables (and maybe add note that IJN get scoutplanes from tier IV onward while US need to wait to tier VII for that temporary +20% rangebuff plane?).

 

And for dispersion, maybe it's kinda nonlinear or something, because when you put firecontrol in you get +10% range but dispersion only increses ~7% (or in Myogi, ~34% range increse give only ~19% dispersio increse, 13.9km->18.6km and 184m->218m).

 

Thanks for the headsup for the mistakes i made. It happend when i checked ships i did not own yet. This resulted in the misinformation, however that is fixed now. 

 

 

[Hiddenblades]

Can I just asked why the hell does japanese guns have more dispersion than american BBs?

[landocowrissian]

If you want to fill in Ishizuchi

 

 

Survivability	53
Combat Capability	45,700
Artillery	52
Main Battery (305mm/45 Mk10)	5x2 305mm
Range	12,900m
Dispersion	177m
Rounds per minute	2.0
180° turn time	41.9s
HE shell (305mm HE Mk2a)
Maximum Damage	5,200
Fire Chance	34%
AP shell (305mm AP Mk6)
Maximum damage	8,000
Secondary Armament (80mm/40 3rd year type)	6x1 76.2mm
Range	3,500m
Secondary Armament (152mm/50 41st year type)	16x1 152mm
Range	3,500m
AA Guns	4
AA Guns (80mm/40 3rd year type)	6x1 76.2mm
Damage	18dps
Range	2,000m
Manoeuvrability	41
Maximum Speed	27.9kt
Turning Radius	740m
Rudder Shift Time	16.9s
Concealment	28
Surface Detectability	16.6km
Air Detectability	11.2km

[laudano]

nice comparatoin  but i concur that not having in account shell spread a Bb with higher range or DPM could be missleading to a erroneous conclusion of being superior., but i guess it is harder to measure that

[nikon56]

nice comparatoin  but i concur that not having in account shell spread a Bb with higher range or DPM could be missleading to a erroneous conclusion of being superior., but i guess it is harder to measure that

 

agreed, for example first BB you will play, south carolina vs Kawachi, from OP stats it seems the kawachi as a better accuracy, while in practice it's damn worst, because the spread with kawachi is very very BAD.

this noon fought a south Carolina, side to side at 3km, 2 successive volley completely missed the south carolina...shell were all over the place, ahead, behind, short and long, not a single one hit the target...at  3KM that is unacceptable, for the rest of the fight, i couldn't have more than 1 or 2 shell hit the target, and we engaged 1v1 until i was 15% health, he was still 70% (we both started at around 90%).

 

lucky me received help from a phoenix and CV, and he switched to phoenix instead of finishing me off so we won (still wondering wh he switched tbh, afraid of torpedoes maybe?).

 

never had such a pitifull hitrate with south carolina

[Exustio]

nice comparatoin  but i concur that not having in account shell spread a Bb with higher range or DPM could be missleading to a erroneous conclusion of being superior., but i guess it is harder to measure that

 

Shell travel time has no effect on things being superior or not, because shell travel travel time is a skill u need to develop for that particular ship. Yes u might suck at a certain ship with long travel time, but somebody else might suck at a ship with short travel time. All traveltime will tell u in this comparison thread is that u need to lead more then with other caliber guns, nothing more. 

 

 

agreed, for example first BB you will play, south carolina vs Kawachi, from OP stats it seems the kawachi as a better accuracy, while in practice it's damn worst, because the spread with kawachi is very very BAD.

this noon fought a south Carolina, side to side at 3km, 2 successive volley completely missed the south carolina...shell were all over the place, ahead, behind, short and long, not a single one hit the target...at  3KM that is unacceptable, for the rest of the fight, i couldn't have more than 1 or 2 shell hit the target, and we engaged 1v1 until i was 15% health, he was still 70% (we both started at around 90%).

 

lucky me received help from a phoenix and CV, and he switched to phoenix instead of finishing me off so we won (still wondering wh he switched tbh, afraid of torpedoes maybe?).

 

never had such a pitifull hitrate with south carolina

 

Basing your own experience of a single game on a comparison thread is pointless. These are averages, meaning u have games u will hit everything, and games where u will hit nothing. crap happens. Even the most accurate ship in the game will on occasion miss (this is even more true for BB's as your alpha dmg should balance out for your lack of accuracy)