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15 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

...and I thought WOWP is PVE vs bots.... :Smile_amazed:

nah has a very small community but still somewhat active think the player pop is around 1k-3k atm.

 

might be the same as black ops on steam with around 500-850 players.

 


 

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But yeah thats because of the the -2/+2 mm system they have and the tier system they have in place, which not only makes it inflexible but very hard to balance across multiple tiers (if you take the T-54 mod 1 and buff its pen to 220mm, top speed to 50km/h frontal hull armour to 140mm's and dispersion and aim time down by 20% it will do far better against higher tiers but will be too good against lower tiers even with some of the weaknesses it has)

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11 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

ON TOPIC:

 

But yeah thats because of the the -2/+2 mm system they have and the tier system they have in place, which not only makes it inflexible but very hard to balance across multiple tiers (if you take the T-54 mod 1 and buff its pen to 220mm, top speed to 50km/h frontal hull armour to 140mm's and dispersion and aim time down by 20% it will do far better against higher tiers but will be too good against lower tiers even with some of the weaknesses it has)

Compare top tier Nagato vs T5 and bottom tier Nagato vs T9. Just for those whining about T8 vs T10.

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1 minute ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Compare top tier Nagato vs T5 and bottom tier Nagato vs T9. Just for those whining about T8 vs T10.

It was worse in beta for world of tanks where you could have your M6 heavy and go up against is-4's, is-7's and maus's.

 

Also light tanks had scout mm which was either -4/+6 or -4/+4 if i remember correctly. (tier 5 chaffe could see tier 10's and m6 is a tier 6 tank, so imagine a QE going up against a kremlin or a la galissionaire against a worscester).

 

but then you don't have gold ammo in this game to give better pen and shell velocity in this game.

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2 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Compare top tier Nagato vs T5 and bottom tier Nagato vs T9. Just for those whining about T8 vs T10.

I dont mind being bottom tier 7 to 9. Its just Tier 10 is a league of its own, the game dynamic is different and skill level much higher. New players cant handle that....

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5 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I dont mind being bottom tier 7 to 9. Its just Tier 10 is a league of its own, the game dynamic is different and skill level much higher. New players cant handle that....

Not so sure about that,I have been in tier X games and have watched with dismay as some do completely crazy things, and this coming from the King of potatoes himself:Smile_sceptic:

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1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

It was worse in beta for world of tanks where you could have your M6 heavy and go up against is-4's, is-7's and maus's.

 

Also light tanks had scout mm which was either -4/+6 or -4/+4 if i remember correctly. (tier 5 chaffe could see tier 10's and m6 is a tier 6 tank, so imagine a QE going up against a kremlin or a la galissionaire against a worscester).

 

but then you don't have gold ammo in this game to give better pen and shell velocity in this game.

Once upon a time T4s could meet T6s and such.

1 minute ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I dont mind being bottom tier 7 to 9. Its just Tier 10 is a league of its own, the game dynamic is different and skill level much higher. New players cant handle that....

T10 BBs don't overmatch T8s on a regular basis, T10 DDs don't outspot T8 DDs by anywhere near as much, T9 vs T7 every BB, cruiser and DD with any amount of skill can just laugh at T7 counterparts. Some Yuugumo with a captain that has a brain can just absolutely humiliate T7 Gadjah Madas, given the Yuugumo can outspot the GM and if it so wishes could also just gun it down. And that's a Yuugumo, Kitakaze or Jutland would absolutely wipe the floor with T7 competition. Similarly, there's little as hilarious as the notion that Helena, a cruiser with 15 152 mm guns can meet an Omaha, a cruiser that gets overmatched by said guns. Citadels through the bow ftw. And until they patch the Emerald to finally get a better cit deck, very fun getting HE citadelled by any cruiser with IFHE.

 

T8s have basically the means to matter in T10 far more than T5s in T7 games or T7s in T9 games, unless you're some OP ship that gets a good MM, like a no-CV match for a Kamikaze. Even OP ships like Belfast are far less an issue vs T9s, where something like Roon can go "omnomnom, finally some good AP damage".

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4 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Once upon a time T4s could meet T6s and such.

meh you could still meet tier 6's in most tier 4 tanks in world of tanks untill a few years ago.

 

you could also meet some tier 8's in some tier 4's as well.

 

the mm is worse in world of tanks than it is here since every ship has the chance to damage to each other, thats only possible in world of tanks if you pen and actually hit something other than the gun sights or tracks.

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5 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Once upon a time T4s could meet T6s and such.

T10 BBs don't overmatch T8s on a regular basis, T10 DDs don't outspot T8 DDs by anywhere near as much, T9 vs T7 every BB, cruiser and DD with any amount of skill can just laugh at T7 counterparts. Some Yuugumo with a captain that has a brain can just absolutely humiliate T7 Gadjah Madas, given the Yuugumo can outspot the GM and if it so wishes could also just gun it down. And that's a Yuugumo, Kitakaze or Jutland would absolutely wipe the floor with T7 competition. Similarly, there's little as hilarious as the notion that Helena, a cruiser with 15 152 mm guns can meet an Omaha, a cruiser that gets overmatched by said guns. Citadels through the bow ftw. And until they patch the Emerald to finally get a better cit deck, very fun getting HE citadelled by any cruiser with IFHE.

 

T8s have basically the means to matter in T10 far more than T5s in T7 games or T7s in T9 games, unless you're some OP ship that gets a good MM, like a no-CV match for a Kamikaze. Even OP ships like Belfast are far less an issue vs T9s, where something like Roon can go "omnomnom, finally some good AP damage".

Maybe that is why the kaga and Saipan are needed at tier 7 where they originally were, to counter the tier 9's,they are much better suited to that tier and should not be tier 8.

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7 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Maybe that is why the kaga and Saipan are needed at tier 7 where they originally were, to counter the tier 9's,they are much better suited to that tier and should not be tier 8.

No, both are at the tier for a reason. They may not be the best T8 CVs, though Kaga certainly is among the better ones.

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45 minuti fa, ___V_E_N_O_M___ ha scritto:

and skill level much higher.

 

Pardon? “Higher skill level” at tier 10? Where did u see it? Yoloing DDs rushing caps against radars, Ibukis or Donskois that try to torp at close range instead of kiting, BBs with survivability expert shooting HE from the map corner, tier 10 isn’t much different from tier 4  :cap_old:

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20 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

 

Pardon? “Higher skill level” at tier 10? Where did u see it? Yoloing DDs rushing caps against radars, Ibukis or Donskois that try to torp at close range instead of kiting, BBs with survivability expert shooting HE from the map corner, tier 10 isn’t much different from tier 4  :cap_old:

Im NOT talking about the skill amongst tier x players per se there are idiots in every tier, I mean more in terms of players who have recently come into a tier 8 ship and are thus new to the Tier 8 - 10 Arena and then get thrown into a match with ships that are far more powerful than their tier 8 counterparts and get overwhelmed.

 

Playing a bismarck in Tier 10 match is hard if you have to try and hold your own or if you get focused, even worse if you have no experience in it.

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OP is about a different game.

Thread turning into MM discussion,

Which we already have in a very sticky version.

 

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