[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #1 Posted July 1, 2019 Not to worry fellow CV captains, the ultimate solution to the overtuned AA is here: Spoiler Improved parameters of commander skill Survivability Expert: now increased aircraft HP for each ship tier is +25 instead of +15 (+30 instead of +20 unique commanders). At X level, this will give an increase of 250 points to aircraft HP, which will strengthen the aircraft by more than 10% and will allow the squadron to live longer under AA, taking into account the latest changes in mechanics in the update 0.8.5. Who will benefit the most from this? All the nations with improved SE captain. (Which is the US only.) The Enterprise will get buffed more than any other premium CV by this - at least the one with the Ovechkin captain. The gap gets wider - was this really the best solution you could come up with? 2 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #2 Posted July 1, 2019 el2azer will be pleased about this. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #3 Posted July 1, 2019 I wonder why wargaming even has a test server anymore... They're not using it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[X-10] ___V_E_N_O_M___ Players 2,129 posts 14,292 battles Report post #4 Posted July 1, 2019 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miessa3 Beta Tester 1,650 posts 8,204 battles Report post #5 Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, thiextar said: I wonder why wargaming even has a test server anymore... They're not using it. what do you mean? Aren't we all playing on the live test server? 3 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #6 Posted July 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Blixies said: Who will benefit the most from this? All the nations with improved SE captain. (Which is the US only.) PA and Russia got improved SE too. Just not CVs. Though it's only a matter of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #7 Posted July 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said: PA and Russia got improved SE too. Just not CVs. Though it's only a matter of time. Yeh... I'm talking about now, you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #8 Posted July 1, 2019 There really are no words. *slow clap*. WG really don't have a clue and have totally lost control of the runaway train. 15 minutes ago, thiextar said: I wonder why wargaming even has a test server anymore... They're not using it. And i mean this with the greatest respect, but those that do play the test servers are just WG lackey mugs. I know that will cheese a few people off, but people need to open their eyes. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #9 Posted July 1, 2019 1. Nerf CVs in a way that impacts some CV more and some less. 2. Buff CVs in a way that impacts every CV the same. 3. ??? 4. PROFIT! Apparently we're still not at the point where WG sees CVs as individual ships, but as a big amorphous blob that is either collectively over- or under-performing. *golfclap* 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #10 Posted July 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nechrom said: 1. Nerf CVs in a way that impacts some CV more and some less. 2. Buff CVs in a way that impacts every CV the same. 3. ??? 4. PROFIT! Maybe I am missing something, but this impacts the CVs differently. Bigger squads = bigger buff. Ovechkin = bigger buff. This does very litle for Graf Zeppelin, but buffs Big E by a lot. Very strange approach to the issue IMHO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #11 Posted July 1, 2019 On the top of this CVs with big wings of low hp planes benefit the most from this buff. Which one? Kaga and yes, you have guessed right, the big E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #12 Posted July 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, Redcap375 said: And i mean this with the greatest respect, but those that do play the test servers are just WG lackey mugs. I know that will cheese a few people off, but people need to open their eyes. We are all playing on the test server, my man. We all are. Every time we click the BATTLE button. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #13 Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Blixies said: We are all playing on the test server, my man. We all are. Every time we click the BATTLE button. Ahem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,225 posts 8,827 battles Report post #14 Posted July 1, 2019 Have a mandatory skill to compensate a nerf. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #15 Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Blixies said: Maybe I am missing something, but this impacts the CVs differently. Bigger squads = bigger buff. Ovechkin = bigger buff. This does very litle for Graf Zeppelin, but buffs Big E by a lot. Very strange approach to the issue IMHO. Not exactly. If anything it buffs low plane HP CVs the most, and that sometimes correlates with squad size. But the buff gives the same % HP increase regardless of squad size assuming equal base plane HP. So it buffs Saipan the least and Kaga the most, but not because of squad size. It should buff GZ slightly more than Enterprise (ignoring Ovechkin) due to GZ having weaker individual planes. But of course the 0.8.5 nerf hit Enty way less hard due to high total squad HP and fast plane regen. So the sum of 0.8.5 and 0.8.5.1 changes leaves Enty buffed relative to the other CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #16 Posted July 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nechrom said: Not exactly. If anything it buffs low plane HP CVs the most, and that sometimes correlates with squad size. But the buff gives the same % HP increase regardless of squad size assuming equal base plane HP. So it buffs Saipan the least and Kaga the most, but not because of squad size. It should buff GZ slightly more than Enterprise (ignoring Ovechkin) due to GZ having weaker individual planes. But of course the 0.8.5 nerf hit Enty way less hard due to high total squad HP and fast plane regen. So the sum of 0.8.5 and 0.8.5.1 changes leaves Enty buffed relative to the other CVs. After all, balans must be preserved. Akkount balans, that is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UAC] Filipin00 Players 662 posts 2,569 battles Report post #17 Posted July 1, 2019 Everyone keeps saying CVs with big squadrons are buffed more by this hotfix than ones with smaller squads....but I have a teeny tiny problem How do you avoid Flak bursts with large squadrons? I can avoid flak with GZ or shokek easier than with, say, Kaga. Easier to avoid flak with 8 or 9 planes than with 12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOK] Donar79 Players 1,968 posts 9,010 battles Report post #18 Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, piet11111 said: Have a mandatory skill to compensate a nerf. Just another ...looking to CE and IFHE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #19 Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Filipin00 said: Everyone keeps saying CVs with big squadrons are buffed more by this hotfix than ones with smaller squads....but I have a teeny tiny problem How do you avoid Flak bursts with large squadrons? I can avoid flak with GZ or shokek easier than with, say, Kaga. Easier to avoid flak with 8 or 9 planes than with 12. That's been a thing since the start of the rework and nothing in the latest patch or the hotfix changes this. But I would say that plane agility has a much bigger impact on flak dodging than squad size. Kaga (IJN CVs in general) has good plane agility as does the RN CVs, Enty has decent agility and GZ has awful agility (attack planes are okay). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSAF] LowSpeedHighDrag Players 484 posts 16,909 battles Report post #20 Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Blixies said: Improved parameters of commander skill Survivability Expert: now increased aircraft HP for each ship tier is +25 instead of +15 (+30 instead of +20 unique commanders). At X level, this will give an increase of 250 points to aircraft HP, which will strengthen the aircraft by more than 10% and will allow the squadron to live longer under AA, taking into account the latest changes in mechanics in the update 0.8.5. How does that mitigate the issues? That is like giving diet insulin to a diabetic. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #21 Posted July 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, Filipin00 said: Everyone keeps saying CVs with big squadrons are buffed more by this hotfix than ones with smaller squads....but I have a teeny tiny problem How do you avoid Flak bursts with large squadrons? I can avoid flak with GZ or shokek easier than with, say, Kaga. Easier to avoid flak with 8 or 9 planes than with 12. Bait it out by heading indirecty to the target and change the direction to the target after the wall of flak sets. Some flak you just can't avoid and the squadron size does not play a huge role in this in my experience. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-YR-] Alfa_Tau Players 887 posts Report post #22 Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blixies said: Improved parameters of commander skill Survivability Expert: now increased aircraft HP for each ship tier is +25 instead of +15 (+30 instead of +20 unique commanders). At X level, this will give an increase of 250 points to aircraft HP, which will strengthen the aircraft by more than 10% and will allow the squadron to live longer under AA, taking into account the latest changes in mechanics in the update 0.8.5. Humm perhaps someone skipped a couple of math lessons in highschool. Let's analize togheter: SE now gives +15 per each tier. At tier X this means +150 HP per plane. with the new Hotfix SE will give +25 , wich at tier X means 250. Now the real difference between 0.8.5 and 0.8.5.1 will be a mere 100 HP per plane at tier X Example: Midway TB without SE have 2204 HP . Up to now thanks to SE they have 2354 HP (and they die like flies ). Starting from Tomorrow they will have 2454 HP. wich is an increase of less then 5%. As a matter of fact ANY buff should start from the PRESENT situation NOT from waht it was before. Just an example: A ZAO (not the best AA in class) has a short range (1.9Km - 3.5 Km) DPS aura of 600 + ; Perhaps I am NOT an optimist BUT honestly I don't see how those 100 HP can really make a difference. Conclusion: although this "FIX" is coming really fast (wich lead me to think that someone inside WG already had the idea of the mess coming) and it's welcome, I doubt it will be sufficient. Cheers Edited July 1, 2019 by Alfa_Tau correction 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #23 Posted July 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said: A ZAO (not the best AA in class) has a short range (1.9Km - 3.5 Km) DPS aura of 600 + ; Perhaps I am NOT an optimist BUT honestly I don't see how those 100 HP can really make a difference AA doesn't stack, so Zao have either 212dps at 3.5-1.9km or 400dps <1.9km Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #24 Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Blixies said: Very strange approach to the issue IMHO. .... did someone say "approach"... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asakka Players 850 posts Report post #25 Posted July 1, 2019 Noice, but i will still use Halsey for that confederate regen buff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
