___V_E_N_O_M___ Players 2,071 posts 12,535 battles Report post #1 Posted June 28, 2019 I dont know why but I love the Alsace more, maybe its because it has more secondaries and feels like a flame thrower compared to the Bourgogne. I love the Bourgogne too, its just not an Alsace. To me the Alsace is an amazing ship despite its nerfs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #2 Posted June 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said: I dont know why but I love the Alsace more, maybe its because it has more secondaries and feels like a flame thrower compared to the Bourgogne. I love the Bourgogne too, its just not an Alsace. To me the Alsace is an amazing ship despite its nerfs. Objectively B is much better ship than A. But if you have more fun in A than it is better ship for you. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #3 Posted June 28, 2019 Maybe because sometimes you see T7. But Bourgogne has better AA, better base reload, the reload booster and it's faster. And maintains all the pros of the Alsace. I don't wanna trigger you but I prefer... The Georgia (yes you did sell it saying how crap it is though I have fun in it lol ) 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,007 posts 18,129 battles Report post #4 Posted June 29, 2019 So you prefer the worse ship for armaments you don't have to aim yourself. I don't get why this needs a whole thread, but have fun I guess. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Inappropriate_noob Players 3,750 posts Report post #5 Posted June 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: So you prefer the worse ship for armaments you don't have to aim yourself. I don't get why this needs a whole thread, but have fun I guess. Oddly enough I rarely play mine but just had a division with Venom, both in our Alsace's Results were favourable A for the Bourgeois or whatever it is, I am a poor scrap metal merchant who cannot afford such luxuries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bortasqu Beta Tester 939 posts 13,761 battles Report post #6 Posted June 29, 2019 Wait, since when is 75k dmg a lot? Also, reload booster -> All. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OHFK] affie Players 431 posts Report post #7 Posted June 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sturmtiger_304 said: Wait, since when is 75k dmg a lot? Also, reload booster -> All. If you do 75K dmg to DDs it equals 3-4 hp pools, if against CL/CA it equal 2-3 hp pools if against BB it equals 1-2 hp pools depending on tier. And maybe they actually did some nice play that won them the game even if they didn't farm 100K damage, no need to be judging when someone had an according to them decent game. Alsace is alot of fun and the secondary ship of my choice at the moment, even if I have had a short break from it. Saving for Georgia now, looks like alot of fun even if it lack a bit of the secondary barrage an Alsace can bring... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Talladega_Night Beta Tester, Players 495 posts 5,412 battles Report post #8 Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: So you prefer the worse ship for armaments you don't have to aim yourself. I don't get why this needs a whole thread, but have fun I guess. This is the guy who sold USS Georgia after 3 games after all 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 5,790 posts 31,660 battles Report post #9 Posted June 29, 2019 I also think Alsace is better, because it is 1 tier lower and 30 k steel less expensive. Spending 30k steel to get the same ship with a few extra gimmicks... don t know if it s worth it. Like DM vs. Salem... except Salem is coal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 5,790 posts 31,660 battles Report post #10 Posted June 29, 2019 5 hours ago, MacArthur92 said: But Bourgogne has better AA, better base reload, the reload booster and it's faster. Same speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
___V_E_N_O_M___ Players 2,071 posts 12,535 battles Report post #11 Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, affie said: If you do 75K dmg to DDs it equals 3-4 hp pools, if against CL/CA it equal 2-3 hp pools if against BB it equals 1-2 hp pools depending on tier. And maybe they actually did some nice play that won them the game even if they didn't farm 100K damage, no need to be judging when someone had an according to them decent game. Alsace is alot of fun and the secondary ship of my choice at the moment, even if I have had a short break from it. Saving for Georgia now, looks like alot of fun even if it lack a bit of the secondary barrage an Alsace can bring... Alsace brings a whole different meaning to the word barrage, I think what makes it great is the 12 x 100mm cannons with 2.1s reload when fully spec'd as a secondary ship. The rate of fire really turns me on. I can manage two enemies at once. 1 hour ago, Talladega_Night said: This is the guy who sold USS Georgia after 3 games after all Shes lucky she got 3games even. I got it for free anyway so I dont care, just water off back. Its useless and has a horrible camo scheme that I despise. 25 minutes ago, 22cm said: I also think Alsace is better, because it is 1 tier lower and 30 k steel less expensive. Spending 30k steel to get the same ship with a few extra gimmicks... don t know if it s worth it. Like DM vs. Salem... except Salem is coal. This Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #12 Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 22cm said: Same speed. No it's not same speed, Bourgogne can get up to 38.6 knots on speed boost. Alsace can't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 2,978 posts 13,627 battles Report post #13 Posted June 29, 2019 3 hours ago, affie said: If you do 75K dmg to DDs it equals 3-4 hp pools, if against CL/CA it equal 2-3 hp pools if against BB it equals 1-2 hp pools depending on tier. And that would probably give them 2500+ base experience. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Snoww Players 865 posts 23,292 battles Report post #14 Posted June 29, 2019 Why do we need to know this? You liming a ship that is inferior to the one you don't like in every way. Well good for you I guess. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 5,790 posts 31,660 battles Report post #15 Posted June 29, 2019 47 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: No it's not same speed, Bourgogne can get up to 38.6 knots on speed boost. Alsace can't. Dude, learn to express urself. Same speed, 32 knots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #16 Posted June 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, 22cm said: Dude, learn to express urself. Same speed, 32 knots. Top speed on speed boost. You're talking about non speed boost. I said at first that Alsace can't get into 38 knots speed with speed boost on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 5,790 posts 31,660 battles Report post #17 Posted June 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: Top speed on speed boost. That is something completely different. Both ships have the same speed, one has a better speed bonus while on engine boost. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #18 Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, 22cm said: That is something completely different. Both ships have the same speed, one has a better speed bonus while on engine boost. It's like saying Georgia and Iowa have same speed and period. Well, not quiet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] asalonen Privateer 761 posts 14,143 battles Report post #19 Posted June 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, 22cm said: That is something completely different. Both ships have the same speed, one has a better speed bonus while on engine boost. With the Engine Boost Modification from Armory, it lasts 4.5 minutes per use. In practice you spend most of the battle on engine boost, and even more of the moments where you care about speed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #20 Posted June 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, asalonen said: With the Engine Boost Modification from Armory, it lasts 4.5 minutes per use. In practice you spend most of the battle on engine boost, and even more of the moments where you care about speed. The problem is that your can't mount it on battleships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 2,978 posts 13,627 battles Report post #21 Posted June 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: The problem is that your can't mount it on battleships The wiki even suggests it. At least for Bourgogne, for Republique it's not mentioned. LittleWhiteMouse also suggests it for Bourgogne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] MMASK [ADRIA] Players 187 posts 9,877 battles Report post #22 Posted June 29, 2019 What's next? Azuma is better than Yoshino? Krohn is better than Stalin? Mass B is better than Georgia? Mogami 203mm is better than Atago? This is pure trolling, OP should stop with creating these posts or someone should remove them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] BoomerSmasher Players 9,778 posts 51,209 battles Report post #23 Posted June 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, B0Tato said: The wiki even suggests it. At least for Bourgogne, for Republique it's not mentioned. LittleWhiteMouse also suggests it for Bourgogne. Again you catch me I did confuse the Hydro upgrade with engine boost upgrade. My bad again *Me now buying speed boost upgrade for Georgia 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,007 posts 18,129 battles Report post #24 Posted June 29, 2019 It's rather simple: If your positioning doesn't allow you to profit from the speed and reload booster, and if your aim doesn't profit from the better accuracy, you are better off in T9 Alsace. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 2,978 posts 13,627 battles Report post #25 Posted June 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: I did confuse the Hydro upgrade with engine boost upgrade. My bad again Yeah, sometimes upgrades are confusing. Surveillance radar modification also can't be mounted on Missouri, for example. I'm thinking about getting Bourgogne myself right now and don't have any other engineboosting ship, so I had to check this one. But I guess I keep waiting till Steelensk and Coalbert are confirmed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
