Can't buy containers

[Apex3]

Hello guys,

 

Can't seem to buy containers. Does anyone else have this problem? I get an oops something went wrong error.

 

Cheers,happy sailing.

[Klopirat]

Vor 2 Minuten, Apex3 sagte:

Does anyone else have this problem?

everyone from Belgium, due to your laws

[Apex3]

Thanks buddy didn't know it applied for this game also.

[thiextar]

My only hope is that those laws extend to every big country as fast as possible

[Klopirat]

Vor 3 Minuten, thiextar sagte:

My only hope is that those laws extend to every big country as fast as possible

hopefully not...

[thiextar]

2 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

hopefully not...

Hopefully yes, because then game publishers would be forced to create actual good economic systems, instead of preying on people by creating an online casino that isnt regulated by any laws.

 

The entire system is designed from the ground up to prey on the weak for short term profits. It cant be abolished soon enough.

[veslingr]

Containers will stay in most EU countries. Are they some kind of lottery? Yes they are. Are loterry allowed in most EU countries..yes the are. 

 

Main thing is that containers you do not need to buy to have same experience as other players. 

 

In short nobody force anybody to buy them if they do not like gamble. 

[159Hunter]

25 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Containers will stay in most EU countries. Are they some kind of lottery? Yes they are. Are loterry allowed in most EU countries..yes the are. 

 

Main thing is that containers you do not need to buy to have same experience as other players. 

 

In short nobody force anybody to buy them if they do not like gamble. 

And lotteries are strictly regulated in most countries whereas these containers aren't. And there's a reason lotteries are regulated.

Should apply to containers as well.

[veslingr]

23 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

And lotteries are strictly regulated in most countries whereas these containers aren't. And there's a reason lotteries are regulated.

Should apply to containers as well.

Well to use full legal terms this is not lottery because every containers wins.....in every there is prize. It is more like wheel of fortune where some slots have better prizes and others worst, but every slot has prize. That's why it is not "game of fortune" 

 

The thing I do not understand, why opt for ban of something you dont like (and have no need to buy) but others may like. I have clanmate who from 1 container got Lenin. He "payed" for him 1/10 of a prize. From 4 containers a got t5 and t 6 ship and in money turn I am in plus with those 2 ships. Offc I could get 0 ships and only flags and camos. 

 

But it was my decision and I do not feel robbed even if I did get crap. It was my decision and I knew odds were not on my side. 

[Bluestrategist]

49 minutes ago, veslingr said:

But it was my decision and I do not feel robbed even if I did get crap. It was my decision and I knew odds were not on my side. 

But any gambler would surely say that too.

[thiextar]

I mean the law doesnt ban lootboxes, it jsut makes them fall under the same regulations as lotteries and casinos.

 

Just goes to show how abusive, unethical and predatory they are in games when no game can keep them without breaking the law

[Uglesett]

1 hour ago, veslingr said:

The thing I do not understand, why opt for ban of something you dont like (and have no need to buy) but others may like.

For the same reason that we ban or regulate a lot of other things that are harmful. I have no need to buy heroin, but I still think it should be banned.

 

We have laws regulating addictive products to protect people who are susceptible to addictive behaviour. It's as simple as that.

[hellhound666]

3 hours ago, thiextar said:

My only hope is that those laws extend to every big country as fast as possible

do you need government also tell more things how to spend your money.

im able to do it myself and dont need government to do that.

[Uglesett]

24 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

im able to do it myself and dont need government to do that.

Then you're not the kind of person this kind of legislation exists to protect. Good for you.

[hellhound666]

3 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

Then you're not the kind of person this kind of legislation exists to protect. Good for you.

so, according to you, there are snowflakes who have money but are not able to make decisions on how to use it. and because of that, i will not be able to use my money. why this is supposed to be cool????

[CptBarney]

2 hours ago, veslingr said:

Well to use full legal terms this is not lottery because every containers wins.....in every there is prize. It is more like wheel of fortune where some slots have better prizes and others worst, but every slot has prize. That's why it is not "game of fortune" 

 

The thing I do not understand, why opt for ban of something you dont like (and have no need to buy) but others may like. I have clanmate who from 1 container got Lenin. He "payed" for him 1/10 of a prize. From 4 containers a got t5 and t 6 ship and in money turn I am in plus with those 2 ships. Offc I could get 0 ships and only flags and camos. 

 

But it was my decision and I do not feel robbed even if I did get crap. It was my decision and I knew odds were not on my side. 

ITs gambling regardless of the pandering and terrible defence you give them, they are terrible and have no place in games regardless.

 

But i guess you dont mind kids becoming gambling addicts then, because its never something big that starts people down a slippery slope..

 

also stop support scummy business practices and contributing to the inevitable crash this industry will face because people like you.

[Saltface]

I stated my opinion in another similar thread.

 

 

[159Hunter]

3 hours ago, veslingr said:

Well to use full legal terms this is not lottery because every containers wins.....in every there is prize. It is more like wheel of fortune where some slots have better prizes and others worst, but every slot has prize. That's why it is not "game of fortune" 

 

The thing I do not understand, why opt for ban of something you dont like (and have no need to buy) but others may like. I have clanmate who from 1 container got Lenin. He "payed" for him 1/10 of a prize. From 4 containers a got t5 and t 6 ship and in money turn I am in plus with those 2 ships. Offc I could get 0 ships and only flags and camos. 

 

But it was my decision and I do not feel robbed even if I did get crap. It was my decision and I knew odds were not on my side. 

Yes and he got lucky. And on the other end of the spectrum you have people spending hundreds of euros in an  attempt to get belfast / missouri / .... and failing. So yeah, it's a lottery as there is no guaranteed reward equal to what you pay.

And, as WG do not share the overall statistics/drop rates, there is no way to judge what your odds are (something you can do for a lottery). So for all we know the ratios are so messed up that it's all a big money gain for WG.

 

And the thing about this is: addicts will spend money, even if they know it's bad for them, they'll spend it anyways. So no, not all people can make such a decision and they need to be protected.

 

[Uglesett]

31 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

so, according to you, there are snowflakes who have money but are not able to make decisions on how to use it.

Yes, although I wouldn't use exactly that phrasing.

and because of that, i will not be able to use my money.

Yes.

 

That's how a lot of laws work. They're designed to protect people with one or other limitation on self-control from themselves.

 

I don't have a problem with addictive behaviour. So for me, the regulations that prevent me from buying beer after 20:00 (18:00 on saturdays) is occasionally an annoyance, e.g. when I've been working late and really would like to pick up a beer on the way home.

 

But at the same time, it's a demonstrable fact that Norwegian alcohol regulations reduce the health and economic problems related to alcohol abuse. So I live with occasionally being frustrated by alcohol regulations because it's overall healthy for society.

 

The same thing applies to gambling regulations. It's there to prevent people with reduced impulse control from bankrupting themselves. Or regulations against predatory lending practices. Legislations is chock full of laws that are designed around that principle. Is it occasionally irritating for people who have perfectly adequate self control? Yes. But it's still overall better for society.

[veslingr]

I bet on Cyprus betting is very loosely regulated and you are fighting lost war in advance. Funny that this rattles you so much and not the fact that WG can tour bought/leased product turn to something totally different next day. 

 

To give exaggerated example. You pay with real money t8 premium ship and they can tomorrow turn in into t2 ship and have no legal obligation to refund you in any way except good will of WG. 

 

That rattles me more than luck containers because gamblers will gamble on 1.000.000.000 other legal online casinos, sport betting etc etc sites.  

[Sir_Grzegorz]

11 hours ago, Uglesett said:

We have laws regulating addictive products to protect people who are susceptible to addictive behaviour.

Yet alcohol and cigarettes are legally sold even tho they are much more harmfull than marihuana (IMHO).

Your line of argumentation is flawed, industries do not care about people, only gains are important.

 

I personally do not care as long as black tea and water is legal I am fine.

[Uglesett]

1 hour ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

Yet alcohol and cigarettes are legally sold even tho they are much more harmfull than marihuana (IMHO).

Sales are heavily regulated, and it's fairly probable that if they didn't have their cultural history but were introduced to the market now, they would have been banned.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if we see a total ban on tobacco products in many of the European countries within a couple of decades.

 

Your line of argumentation is flawed, industries do not care about people, only gains are important.

 

Yes, that's the point. That's why we have legislation specifically designed to protect customers from the predatory practices of corporations.

 

Ifthe  industry actually cared about people, we wouldn't be having this debate because loot boxes wouldn't existm

[Bluestrategist]

Congratulations to all posters. I didn't expect to find a discussion on the morality of legislation on this forum!

[MrFingers]

As a Belgian, I can say that our lawbook states that "a guaranteed reward" doesn't mean it's not a lottery, because it still is.

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, MrFingers said:

As a Belgian, I can say that our lawbook states that "a guaranteed reward" doesn't mean it's not a lottery, because it still is.

As Belgian you should be ashamed of yourself and your country, it is producing most delicious chocolate in the world...and how many peoples dies from diseases that are related with overweight?....leave boxes alone, ban chocolate :)