Kurfurst is best secondaries brawler. Who is second best?

[Bartleby74]

I've had lots of fun with Kurfurst as a secondaries brawler, but I am wondering whether I've missed other ships which (without being a Kurfurst) still are good fun at close range with secondaries. I know that Republique, Massachussets and Georgia have long-ish range secondaries but I don't think they can really be built up for secondaries, specially Republique which is in the fragile end of BBs.

 

Any suggestions? Ruling out Kurfurst, is there some other secondaries brawler  in game?

[thiextar]

Massachusets can most definitely be built up for secondaries. 

[22cm]

Depends...

 

Tirpitz has torps as an added bonus, though hard to use with the current meta (CV will spot you across the whole map) and MM (mostly tier 10 games with tier 10 who shoot from 20 km...).  Was an excelent secondaries brawler when it was introduced  a few years ago, but now meta changed, MM changed, CV changed (AP bombs), so... 

 

Now I prefer Alsace because of the speed boost which allows you to get in the desired position for secondaries brawl, and to run away from there when you discovered you found half of the enemy team camping there. Its tier 10 twin also. 

 

Also the tier 7s, the German twins, which both have torps, and Lyon, because of the better MM and shorter enagement ranges on lower tiers. 

 

 

 

 

[beercrazy]

I am gonna say the Bismarck, tirpitz and Massachusetts are better than kurfurst due to the battles at tier 10 tend to be long range snipe games and tiers 8 downwards tend to be more get closer to engage range games

thing is I tend to see brawlers who wait till later in game do well while the brawlers who go balls deep and rush enemy from start end up dead fast and never really use the potential of the ships

[Bartleby74]

4 hours ago, beercrazy said:

I am gonna say the Bismarck, tirpitz and Massachusetts are better than kurfurst due to the battles at tier 10 tend to be long range snipe games and tiers 8 downwards tend to be more get closer to engage range games

thing is I tend to see brawlers who wait till later in game do well while the brawlers who go balls deep and rush enemy from start end up dead fast and never really use the potential of the ships

The thing is that to even have a "later in the game" you need a less than crap team. With Midway I've lost so many battles in under 10 minutes that my WR will never be the same again... thus i don't really see a reason to trust team and wait iddling for 5 minutes instead of "lead by example" and charge on the caps.

[Jethro_Grey]

Mikasa... 

[hellhound666]

im sure that our forums secondary specialist will be soon here and share his specialized builds, tailored tactics and streamlined executions

[genosse]

I always imagined the GK to be a good brawler, being the end of the German BB line, but on the other hand it is the battleship to survive until the end of the match, camping on the edge of the map and doing minimal damage, while literally running away from the caps.

 

Don't know what to believe here.

[22cm]

34 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

im sure that our forums secondary specialist will be soon here and share his specialized builds, tailored tactics and streamlined executions

Ofc, the best secondary brawler is a carrier, ftw! 

[Miragetank90]

You could ask BeastofWar but be prepared for an in-depth explanation as to why it is actually a Carrier. 

[Miragetank90]

28 minutes ago, genosse said:

I always imagined the GK to be a good brawler, being the end of the German BB line, but on the other hand it is the battleship to survive until the end of the match, camping on the edge of the map and doing minimal damage, while literally running away from the caps.

 

Don't know what to believe here.

 

Camping map edge in a GK till the end of the match? Running away from the caps? Minimal damage? In GK?

 

Please don't. 

[Bartleby74]

2 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

You could ask BeastofWar but be prepared for an in-depth explanation as to why it is actually a Carrier. 

I'm not asking carriers, I'm asking secondary brawlers. I jsut mentioned my appaling Midway WR as an instance of what happens when I can't cap

[Miragetank90]

Just now, Bartleby74 said:

I'm not asking carriers, I'm asking secondary brawlers. I jsut mentioned my appaling Midway WR as an instance of what happens when I can't cap

 

It's a joke. He likes to spec secondary build on his Carriers.

 

Don't worry about it. 

 

People have already mentioned good secondary brawlers in here, take your pick. The only ones mentioned here that I would not use any points or modules for sec build are Republique and Alsace, because I find them too squishy for this and I don't like to play as secondary focused ships, especially since Repub in particular has such a strong main battery. 

[CptBarney]

12 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

You could ask BeastofWar but be prepared for an in-depth explanation as to why it is actually a Carrier. 

 

think we need to design a carrier for that purpose m8.

 

[Miragetank90]

Just now, CptBarney said:

 

think we need to design a carrier for that purpose m8.

 

 

It's already here, it's called Graf Zeppelin. 

 

 

[Aotearas]

Gneisenau.

 

Same secondaries as GK, so it benefits from the same HE pen (though with the upcoming buff to the 105mm secondaries that won't matter as much anymore), but at tier VII you don't even have to spec into IFHE to HE pen most BB hulls you face in your typical MM. Also gets the full accuracy buff from the manual secondaries captain perk.

 

With the upcoming 105mm secondaries HE pen buff, the Scharnhorst will also have the same fun at tier VII.

[CptBarney]

5 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

It's already here, it's called Graf Zeppelin. 

 

 

nah need the russian 'volgograd' version at tier 10 with 16x2 177mm's with 5 sec reload and 12x3 206mm's with 7.5 sec reload with a base range of 9.5km and 20% better dispersion than georgia and 5-7% higher fire chance.

 

with 160mm flight deck armour and 75mm armour all around top speed of 34 knots rudder shift 8 secs 670m turning circle and 8.5km concealment.

 

Balans!

[Captn_Crap]

4 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Gneisenau.

 

Same secondaries as GK, so it benefits from the same HE pen (though with the upcoming buff to the 105mm secondaries that won't matter as much anymore), but at tier VII you don't even have to spec into IFHE to HE pen most BB hulls you face in your typical MM. Also gets the full accuracy buff from the manual secondaries captain perk.

 

With the upcoming 105mm secondaries HE pen buff, the Scharnhorst will also have the same fun at tier VII.

Only T8-T10 are getting buffed. So no buff for Scharnhorst.

[Aotearas]

Just now, Captn_Crap said:

Only T8-T10 are getting buffed. So no buff for Scharnhorst.

Usually it's the guns that get their properties buffed so anything using the same gun gets the benefit (i.e.: IJN 100mm HE pen buff for Akizuki etc. also working on 100mm secondaries). Would be unusual for WG to only buff the tier VIII+ ships when the same gun is also used on lower tiers, so I'm a bit sceptical about the DevBlog information until I see the actual patchnotes and ingame numbers.

 

 

Would be a real shame though, I'd love me a Scharnhorst with improved 105mm secondaries 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, Bartleby74 said:

The thing is that to even have a "later in the game" you need a less than crap team. With Midaway I've lost so many battles in under 10 minutes that my WR will never be the same again... thus i dont' really see a reason to trust team and wait iddling for 5 minutes instead of "lead by example" and charge on the caps.

Now that is the sort of gameplay i like, nice and aggressive, push em all the way, doesn't always work, but that ids mainly due to the passive players.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

3 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Usually it's the guns that get their properties buffed so anything using the same gun gets the benefit (i.e.: IJN 100mm HE pen buff for Akizuki etc. also working on 100mm secondaries). Would be unusual for WG to only buff the tier VIII+ ships when the same gun is also used on lower tiers, so I'm a bit sceptical about the DevBlog information until I see the actual patchnotes and ingame numbers.

 

 

Would be a real shame though, I'd love me a Scharnhorst with improved 105mm secondaries 

I sold my Scharnhorst due to negative stuff I had read about her here on the forums, in 4 months tie she will be welcomed back into port with open arms, luckily I have her sister ship to be getting on with and the Nagato as a back up.

[Mr_Tayto]

Who said anything negative about scharnhorst???

[Lord_Holland_of_Wessex]

2 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

I sold my Scharnhorst due to negative stuff I had read about her here on the forums, in 4 months tie she will be welcomed back into port with open arms, luckily I have her sister ship to be getting on with and the Nagato as a back up.

Don't sell premiums, like ever..... especially good ones. 

[Saltface]

2 hours ago, Mr_Tayto said:

Who said anything negative about scharnhorst???

Who? Just point at them and I ll torp at once !! LOL

Scharnhorst one of the best ships !!!

[Silvercat18]

Secondaries are getting a buff? My Kurfurst is going to like this a lot.